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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818

    #1

    Bernie Sanders still has more support than Trump and is now neck and neck with Hillar

    Time to take Sanders seriously
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    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.
  • dyna mo
    just a fucking jerk
    • Dec 2008
    • 68184

    #2
    sanders has pulled ahead of hillary in iowa, according to quinnipac.

    these are all phone polls too, discounting the huge influence social media has, where Bernie dominates even more.

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    • crockett
      in a van by the river
      • May 2003
      • 76818

      #3
      Originally posted by dyna mo
      sanders has pulled ahead of hillary in iowa, according to quinnipac.

      these are all phone polls too, discounting the huge influence social media has, where Bernie dominates even more.
      He leads her in both Iowa and NH. The fact he's gained so much is pretty amazing given the fact he gets next to zero media coverage.
      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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      • dyna mo
        just a fucking jerk
        • Dec 2008
        • 68184

        #4
        anti-trumpsters are running out of time to be right on something.

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        • muthisdev
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          • Jan 2016
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          #5
          Originally posted by dyna mo
          sanders has pulled ahead of hillary in iowa, according to quinnipac.

          these are all phone polls too, discounting the huge influence social media has, where Bernie dominates even more.
          Young people don't vote.
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          • dyna mo
            just a fucking jerk
            • Dec 2008
            • 68184

            #6
            Originally posted by muthisdev
            Young people don't vote.
            right. and only young people use the internet.

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            • dyna mo
              just a fucking jerk
              • Dec 2008
              • 68184

              #7
              bernie sanders also wins the individual donations also, by far. so it appears young people that support bernie donate to his campaign but don't vote.

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              • dyna mo
                just a fucking jerk
                • Dec 2008
                • 68184

                #8
                Sanders People-Powered Campaign Smashes Record Number of Donations, Revolutionizes American Politics - Bernie Sanders



                Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign raised more than $33 million in the final three months of last year in a way that rewrote the record books for White House campaigns. The tally for the year-end quarter pushed his total raised last year to $73 million from more than 1 million individuals who made a record 2.5 million donations.

                “This people-powered campaign is revolutionizing American politics,” said Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ campaign manager. “What we are showing is that we can run a strong, national campaign without a super PAC and without depending on millionaires and billionaires for their support. We are making history and we are proud of it.”

                The 2,513,665 donations to Sanders’ campaign broke the record set four years ago by President Barack Obama’s re-election committee. Through Dec. 31, 2011, Obama had chalked up 2,209,636 donations.

                The more than 1 million donors to Sanders also is a milestone unmatched by any first-time White House candidate. Obama’s millionth donor in his 2008 campaign came on Feb. 27 of that election year. (In the next election cycle, the incumbent president’s re-election campaign hit the 1-million- donors mark on Oct. 17, 2011.)

                Unlike other campaigns, small contributions made up the vast majority of all the money Sanders’ campaign raised. The average donation to Sanders during the past three months was $27.16.

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                • Rochard
                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                  • Dec 2001
                  • 75733

                  #9
                  The problem with Bernie is that he doesn't seem to get his message across. I am not paying too much attention to the democrats and their side right now; There is just no excitement. Hillary is in the news every day, Bernie not so much.

                  I don't like Hillary and I don't know anything about Bernie; Much to my surprise the only Republican candidate I like is Bush but only because everyone else on the Republican side annoys me.

                  I am just going to wait until the final candidates have their debates and start giving it some serious thought. Until then everything is just noise.
                  Herschel Savage
                  Brooklyn, NY

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                  • Best-In-BC
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jun 2002
                    • 9509

                    #10
                    lol, your foolish if you think sanders is got anywhere near the support and the momentum of trump
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                    • ilnjscb
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                      • Jun 2009
                      • 8957

                      #11
                      Iowa = 107% white*
                      New Hampshire = 103% white*, although there may be a black person there; a black man was sighted a few months back, but people in the know speculate that he may just have lost his way.

                      In case you've forgotten, Dem primary voters are 1/3rd voters from african-american, asian, or hispanic ancestry. While they are very under-represented in the lily white states of Iowa and Hew Hampshire, they are not elsewhere. Also don't you hate evil whites? Remember you claimed they're all terrorists?

                      Hillary gets the minority votes. Mr. Sanders will not.

                      *rich white "socialists" count as double white

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                      • Joshua G
                        dumb libs love censorship
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 8198

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Rochard
                        The problem with Bernie is that he doesn't seem to get his message across. I am not paying too much attention to the democrats and their side right now
                        i think you just explained your observation about bernie, is because of YOU, not because bernie doesnt seem to get his message across.

                        but what you really showed us is that you dont make the effort to dig into candidates positions, you just take all your info from the lamestream press, who care only for drama, & then make silly comments that bernie is the one not getting his message across. when its really you, not paying attention.

                        pfft.

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                        • dyna mo
                          just a fucking jerk
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 68184

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ilnjscb
                          Iowa = 107% white*
                          New Hampshire = 103% white*, although there may be a black person there; a black man was sighted a few months back, but people in the know speculate that he may just have lost his way.

                          In case you've forgotten, Dem primary voters are 1/3rd voters from african-american, asian, or hispanic ancestry. While they are very under-represented in the lily white states of Iowa and Hew Hampshire, they are not elsewhere. Also don't you hate evil whites? Remember you claimed they're all terrorists?

                          Hillary gets the minority votes. Mr. Sanders will not.

                          *rich white "socialists" count as double white

                          the question is does Hillary have what it takes to get these people to the voting booths.

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                          • dyna mo
                            just a fucking jerk
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 68184

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Joshua G
                            i think you just explained your observation about bernie, is because of YOU, not because bernie doesnt seem to get his message across.

                            but what you really showed us is that you dont make the effort to dig into candidates positions, you just take all your info from the lamestream press, who care only for drama, & then make silly comments that bernie is the one not getting his message across. when its really you, not paying attention.

                            pfft.

                            also, i read recently that where blacks, mexicans, minorities are, is exactly where they don't make a difference, non-swing states, or something or other.

                            nevertheless, the article made the claim that their votes are really inconsequential in this election due to where they are more densely populated,.

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                            • Joshua G
                              dumb libs love censorship
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 8198

                              #15
                              Originally posted by crockett
                              i hope bernie wins. it would make for much more substantive debates in the fall. That fucking hussey, entitled decepticon, cant speak a straight word if her life counted on it.

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                              • dyna mo
                                just a fucking jerk
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 68184

                                #16
                                after a cursory search, i can't find the article i was referring to earlier, perhaps kane or someone more knowledgeable about those things can set the record straight.

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                                • trevesty
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                                  • Aug 2006
                                  • 3810

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Rochard
                                  The problem with Bernie is that he doesn't seem to get his message across. I am not paying too much attention to the democrats and their side right now; There is just no excitement. Hillary is in the news every day, Bernie not so much.

                                  I don't like Hillary and I don't know anything about Bernie; Much to my surprise the only Republican candidate I like is Bush but only because everyone else on the Republican side annoys me.

                                  I am just going to wait until the final candidates have their debates and start giving it some serious thought. Until then everything is just noise.
                                  What? He's been consistent for the past 30 years and very clear. He's by far the most unambiguous candidate on either side. Unless by clear you mean 15 second sound bite talking points that don't really mean anything. He actually explains himself.
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                                  • trevesty
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                                    • Aug 2006
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by dyna mo
                                    also, i read recently that where blacks, mexicans, minorities are, is exactly where they don't make a difference, non-swing states, or something or other.

                                    nevertheless, the article made the claim that their votes are really inconsequential in this election due to where they are more densely populated,.
                                    that's probably true in states like NY and CA, but in the Deep South, it could maybe make a difference - especially in the primaries, not so much the general.
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                                    • nico-t
                                      emperor of my world
                                      • Aug 2004
                                      • 29901

                                      #19
                                      what a great factual and objective headline:

                                      "time to take sanders seriously"

                                      The guy looks like he will be dead of old age by the time the elections start.

                                      Trump for president!

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                                      • dyna mo
                                        just a fucking jerk
                                        • Dec 2008
                                        • 68184

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by trevesty
                                        that's probably true in states like NY and CA, but in the Deep South, it could maybe make a difference - especially in the primaries, not so much the general.
                                        i see. i understand that a lot of demographics are changing, but it's also hard to rally Mexican and Black voters. BO's skin color was a big motivator, not sure Hillary has the whateverit'scalled to get them motivated.

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                                        • dyna mo
                                          just a fucking jerk
                                          • Dec 2008
                                          • 68184

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by nico-t
                                          what a great factual and objective headline:

                                          "time to take sanders seriously"

                                          The guy looks like he will be dead of old age by the time the elections start.

                                          Trump for president!
                                          he does look like a dried apple core caricature of himself, the interesting thing is they are all within 5 years of each other, i believe, Trump, Hills, and Sanders..but he looks the oldest by far.

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                                          • Rochard
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                                            • Dec 2001
                                            • 75733

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Joshua G
                                            i think you just explained your observation about bernie, is because of YOU, not because bernie doesnt seem to get his message across.
                                            It's not because of me, it's because of Bernie. Bernie is failing to get his message across to me. So is Bush and Rand.

                                            Originally posted by Joshua G
                                            but what you really showed us is that you dont make the effort to dig into candidates positions, you just take all your info from the lamestream press, who care only for drama, & then make silly comments that bernie is the one not getting his message across. when its really you, not paying attention.

                                            pfft.
                                            I think you failed to read what I wrote... I am not going to spend what little free time I have researching three dozen candidates to decide the best one. Give me our two choices, and then I'll put some effort into it. Until then it is nothing but bullshit and noise.
                                            Herschel Savage
                                            Brooklyn, NY

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                                            • ilnjscb
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                                              • Jun 2009
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                              i see. i understand that a lot of demographics are changing, but it's also hard to rally Mexican and Black voters. BO's skin color was a big motivator, not sure Hillary has the whateverit'scalled to get them motivated.
                                              The point is, Monsieur Mo, that Hillary would have won 2008 if Obama hadn't motivated them. Now there is no one who can. Bernie certainly won't.

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                                              • Joshua G
                                                dumb libs love censorship
                                                • Jul 2008
                                                • 8198

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                                It's not because of me, it's because of Bernie. Bernie is failing to get his message across to me. So is Bush and Rand.
                                                no. it is because of you. your not looking. The places you seek to get your politics from do not cover those guys. theres this internet thingy, & you can find out everything every candidate says, everyday, if you make the effort to find it.

                                                my dad is among the 5 carly supporters. he follows her! you just dont care.

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                                                • dyna mo
                                                  just a fucking jerk
                                                  • Dec 2008
                                                  • 68184

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                  The point is, Monsieur Mo, that Hillary would have won 2008 if Obama hadn't motivated them. Now there is no one who can. Bernie certainly won't.
                                                  i see, i thought you had stated hillary gets the minority vote and sanders doesn't.

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                                                  • Joshua G
                                                    dumb libs love censorship
                                                    • Jul 2008
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                    The point is, Monsieur Mo, that Hillary would have won 2008 if Obama hadn't motivated them. Now there is no one who can. Bernie certainly won't.
                                                    not so fast, bernie has a 60s civil rights track record that would definitely get him better than average turnout from the black community. not obamaesque, of course. but you shouldnt write off black turnout over bernie. recall, bernie was the first cracker black lives matter interrupted.

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                                                    • ilnjscb
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Joshua G
                                                      not so fast, bernie has a 60s civil rights track record that would definitely get him better than average turnout from the black community. not obamaesque, of course. but you shouldnt write off black turnout over bernie. recall, bernie was the first cracker black lives matter interrupted.
                                                      That would assume that African Americans would support a jewish candidate because of some aspects of his record. They are solidly behind Clinton. Almost all of the prominent leaders have indicated that they'll support her. Bernie won't be able to change that any more than Crockett standing on a street corner in Baltimore would be able to keep from getting his ass beat by saying "but I really really support you guys!"

                                                      Young whites, and stupid whites, can be lured by the promise of socialism. So that's 50%. Blacks are smarter than that. Many of them know the difference between a man from Vermont saying "I know best how to handle your money" and a person who can actually get things done.

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                                                      • Rochard
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Joshua G
                                                        no. it is because of you. your not looking. The places you seek to get your politics from do not cover those guys. theres this internet thingy, & you can find out everything every candidate says, everyday, if you make the effort to find it.

                                                        my dad is among the 5 carly supporters. he follows her! you just dont care.
                                                        Why would I invest my time researching and reading about candidates I cannot vote for? Once I know what my choices are I'll invest my time into researching them.
                                                        Herschel Savage
                                                        Brooklyn, NY

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                                                        • clickity click
                                                          So Fecking Bummed
                                                          • Aug 2014
                                                          • 3682

                                                          #29
                                                          [QUOTEBernie Sanders still has more support than Trump and is now neck and neck with Hillar ][/QUOTE]

                                                          Thought hitler was dead?

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                                                          • TheSquealer
                                                            Mayor of Thneedville
                                                            • Oct 2004
                                                            • 26187

                                                            #30
                                                            we get it, a 1/2 dead communist is the only one actually challenging Hillary.

                                                            great job Democrats!
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                                                            Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                            Rochard

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                                                            • dyna mo
                                                              just a fucking jerk
                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                              • 68184

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                              Young whites, and stupid whites, can be lured by the promise of socialism. So that's 50%. Blacks are smarter than that.
                                                              White guilt distorts your view of reality.

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                                                              • dyna mo
                                                                just a fucking jerk
                                                                • Dec 2008
                                                                • 68184

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                The point is, Monsieur Mo, that Hillary would have won 2008 if Obama hadn't motivated them. Now there is no one who can. Bernie certainly won't.
                                                                Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                i see, i thought you had stated hillary gets the minority vote and sanders doesn't.

                                                                Originally posted by ilnjscb

                                                                Hillary gets the minority votes. Mr. Sanders will not.
                                                                i'm not surprised.

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                                                                • crockett
                                                                  in a van by the river
                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                  • 76818

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                  we get it, a 1/2 dead communist is the only one actually challenging Hillary.

                                                                  great job Democrats!
                                                                  He also has more support than Trump and is the only candidate that hasn't paid his way onto ballots but collected the required signatures instead.
                                                                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                  • Robbie
                                                                    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                    • 20960

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                    That would assume that African Americans would support a jewish candidate because of some aspects of his record. They are solidly behind Clinton. Almost all of the prominent leaders have indicated that they'll support her. Bernie won't be able to change that any more than Crockett standing on a street corner in Baltimore would be able to keep from getting his ass beat by saying "but I really really support you guys!"

                                                                    Young whites, and stupid whites, can be lured by the promise of socialism. So that's 50%. Blacks are smarter than that. Many of them know the difference between a man from Vermont saying "I know best how to handle your money" and a person who can actually get things done.
                                                                    Do blacks do what their "leaders" say? I don't know any black people that listen to Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton.

                                                                    I think they will make up their own minds in the general election for sure. In the primaries...with a choice of Sanders or Clinton, I think they are going to stay home in droves.

                                                                    -Robbie
                                                                    ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                    • Joshua G
                                                                      dumb libs love censorship
                                                                      • Jul 2008
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                      That would assume that African Americans would support a jewish candidate because of some aspects of his record. They are solidly behind Clinton. Almost all of the prominent leaders have indicated that they'll support her. Bernie won't be able to change that any more than Crockett standing on a street corner in Baltimore would be able to keep from getting his ass beat by saying "but I really really support you guys!"

                                                                      Young whites, and stupid whites, can be lured by the promise of socialism. So that's 50%. Blacks are smarter than that. Many of them know the difference between a man from Vermont saying "I know best how to handle your money" and a person who can actually get things done.
                                                                      actually given that clinton is under investigation by FBI, & warren remains on sideline, it remains to be seen that anyone will stick with clinton. they can easily use the comey findings, which will not be pretty, as cause to re-evaluate support. very fluid situation.

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                                                                      • dyna mo
                                                                        just a fucking jerk
                                                                        • Dec 2008
                                                                        • 68184

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Hillary's gone further this year on her attempt to race to the white house than last time. She was out before January in the last race, if memory serves me


                                                                        Congrats Hillary, those fat cat wall street and big corp megadonations, the dnc limiting debates, and your scripted "impromptu"events are paying dividends.

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                                                                        • Joshua G
                                                                          dumb libs love censorship
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                          Why would I invest my time researching and reading about candidates I cannot vote for? Once I know what my choices are I'll invest my time into researching them.
                                                                          ok, we are saying the same thing. you dont care. thanks for that.

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                                                                          • Socks
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                                                                            • May 2002
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Bernie makes it very hard to understand where he stands on the issues:

                                                                            Issues - Bernie Sanders

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                                                                            • dyna mo
                                                                              just a fucking jerk
                                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                                              • 68184

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Socks
                                                                              Bernie makes it very hard to understand where he stands on the issues:

                                                                              Issues - Bernie Sanders
                                                                              That web site is such a nightmare too.

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                                                                              • Rochard
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Joshua G
                                                                                ok, we are saying the same thing. you dont care. thanks for that.

                                                                                I do care.

                                                                                Right now we have a long list of potential candidates to be one of two possible candidates to be our next President. When we have our final candidates I'll have plenty of time to do my research.

                                                                                Or I can just vote for the person who is not Trump, which will most likely be the case.
                                                                                Herschel Savage
                                                                                Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                • Coup
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                                                                                  • TheSquealer
                                                                                    Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                                    • Oct 2004
                                                                                    • 26187

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                    He also has more support than Trump and is the only candidate that hasn't paid his way onto ballots but collected the required signatures instead.
                                                                                    I don't doubt that the totally insane communist has more support among democrats that Trump has among republicans. That makes perfect sense.
                                                                                    .
                                                                                    Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                                    Rochard

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                                                                                    • kimberlyann
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Trump is that Bachelor contestant you don't want to see go but you don't want to end up with the final rose. I'm voting for Bernie
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                                                                                      • dyna mo
                                                                                        just a fucking jerk
                                                                                        • Dec 2008
                                                                                        • 68184

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        rochard claims the political process is all noise at this point,yet he's in every political thread here yapping his view on the current state of affairs of that process, including the candidates, and how he'll just vote for the guy presented to him as that guy who is not Trump.


                                                                                        classic rochard.

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                                                                                        • muthisdev
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                          right. and only young people use the internet.
                                                                                          They use it a fuckload more than older people.
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                                                                                          • dyna mo
                                                                                            just a fucking jerk
                                                                                            • Dec 2008
                                                                                            • 68184

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by muthisdev
                                                                                            They use it a fuckload more than older people.
                                                                                            they don't use it a fuckload more than anyone else.

                                                                                            again, my point was the telephone poll are not representative of voters because they skew the demographics.

                                                                                            you happen to think only the exact opposite of "older people" are the ones left out and you couldn't be more wrong.

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                                                                                            • ilnjscb
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                              Do blacks do what their "leaders" say? I don't know any black people that listen to Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton.

                                                                                              I think they will make up their own minds in the general election for sure. In the primaries...with a choice of Sanders or Clinton, I think they are going to stay home in droves.

                                                                                              Robbie, that is wonderful that your friends think for themselves. I think you can look around you and see that most people, regardless of their race, don't.

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                                                                                              • Robbie
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                Robbie, that is wonderful that your friends think for themselves. I think you can look around you and see that most people, regardless of their race, don't.
                                                                                                I think that is changing this year. If you look back over history...things seem to go along for a while until people finally get tired of it.

                                                                                                I think that the emergence of Bernie and Trump in their respective parties shows that people aren't going to accept more of the same.

                                                                                                It started with Pres. Obama promising "hope and change". People gave him a shot. Ended up with something not all that different from Bush in most ways.

                                                                                                The mood of the country is easy to see. Bernie and Trump are proof that people are ready to anything...as long as it's not the establishment in Washington D.C. that have done such a poor job.
                                                                                                -Robbie
                                                                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                • ilnjscb
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                  I think that is changing this year. If you look back over history...things seem to go along for a while until people finally get tired of it.

                                                                                                  I think that the emergence of Bernie and Trump in their respective parties shows that people aren't going to accept more of the same.

                                                                                                  It started with Pres. Obama promising "hope and change". People gave him a shot. Ended up with something not all that different from Bush in most ways.

                                                                                                  The mood of the country is easy to see. Bernie and Trump are proof that people are ready to anything...as long as it's not the establishment in Washington D.C. that have done such a poor job.
                                                                                                  Agreed, to a lesser extent. If you want to go to history, consider this. By my own conservative estimate less than 5% of the cultures in the last 3000 years had the freedom and representation we do. And most of them lasted less than 200 years.

                                                                                                  You and I are lucky we can articulate these thoughts. Most people just have a sense of unease and the feeling that "things aren't right", and can easily be herded by the media. Bernie Sanders is the result. As I said, and then Nate Silver said, the media just needed a candidate so they could make the large part of their annual revenue. Only people with no knowledge of government think he'd be any different from the "promise and fail" politicians we seem to have so many of.

                                                                                                  Trump is a different animal. He is a desperate hope for people who know concretely that the US is fucked because of the elites. For every Rotherham or Cologne, there is a group of people who imagine that a "strong" leader will save them.

                                                                                                  They both make sense in some ways. Johnny one note Sanders is correct about his one issue, income inequality. Trump is correct that the laws regarding immigration ought to be enforced.

                                                                                                  Trump is certainly smarter and more vital, but he's never lived among the poor or outside of New York City. How is a person who inherited his position and portfolio going to empathize? You and I are numbers to him, I suspect, nothing more.

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                                                                                                  • ilnjscb
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                                                                                                    • Jun 2009
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                                                                                                    Hey, white socialists for Bernie Sanders - you now have company, the Republican National Committee! What's not to like? They hate Trump like you, they're white like you, like you, they have no understanding whatsoever of even basic economics, and they hate Hillary like you!

                                                                                                    From Bloomberg Politics Republican Operatives Try to Help Bernie Sanders

                                                                                                    "Republican operatives are having a strange crush on Bernie Sanders.
                                                                                                    During Sunday nightâ??s Democratic debate, the Republican National Committee made the unusual move of sending no fewer than four real-time e-mails to reporters defending the self-described democratic socialist from attacks by Hillary Clinton or echoing his message against her."

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