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  • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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    • Oct 2002
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    #1

    Who has watched "Making a Murderer" on netflix?

    I haven't seen all of the series yet but holy shit these are some corrupt mother fuckers! I just don't understand how they can be so blatantly corrupt and no one ever shut them down.

    They even went as far as to say, if we really wanted him out of the way, it would be easier to kill him than to frame him. That's some mafia shit right there! Those cops are straight savages!

    I am enthralled with it.

    Anyone been watching it? Or gone through the series? Thoughts?
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    • mineistaken
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      • Apr 2007
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      #2
      If the dude was black it would definitely be because of racism.

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        • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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          • Oct 2002
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          #3
          Originally posted by mineistaken
          If the dude was black it would definitely be because of racism.
          I doubt there's even one black person in the town.

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            • baddog
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              • Apr 2001
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              Finished it today; started off thinking he was guilty, ended thinking he was guilty.

              No doubt the cops there are twisted as are residents of most fly-over states.

              If he didn't do it, who did and how did they know to pin it on Avery.
              If he did do it, where is all the blood or ANY DNA other than the "tainted" stuff?

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                • mineistaken
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                  • Apr 2007
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by baddog
                  Finished it today; started off thinking he was guilty, ended thinking he was guilty.

                  No doubt the cops there are twisted as are residents of most fly-over states.

                  If he didn't do it, who did and how did they know to pin it on Avery.
                  If he did do it, where is all the blood or ANY DNA other than the "tainted" stuff?
                  I just started. How do you think he was guilty at the start of the series when they claim that DNA proved him not guilty?

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                    • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                      • Oct 2002
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                      #6
                      Originally posted by baddog
                      Finished it today; started off thinking he was guilty, ended thinking he was guilty.

                      No doubt the cops there are twisted as are residents of most fly-over states.

                      If he didn't do it, who did and how did they know to pin it on Avery.
                      If he did do it, where is all the blood or ANY DNA other than the "tainted" stuff?
                      But he was proven not guilty? And they clearly set him up in the first place. And then they took complete control of his property in second case, searched it 14 times and then found the lady's key? Just out in the open? Like they missed it the first 14 times? And it only had HIS DNA on it, not hers? A car she had for 8 years? Not a spot of blood on the mattress where he supposedly beat her sliced her throat and all that?

                      None of it makes any sense. I hope all those police rot in hell.

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                        • mineistaken
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                          • Apr 2007
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                          Ok, I am in the middle of the first episode. How can you think he was guilty when:
                          dna test proved otherwise
                          they ignored some other dude who was more likely candidate
                          they have full account of his whereabouts during the crime (went to green bay etc)
                          it is explained why popo did not like him

                          How could one think he was guilty by watching the start of the series is beyond me.

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                            • mineistaken
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                              • Apr 2007
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                              However I am surprised it has 9.3/10 imdb rating. It did not grab me, I probably will not watch the remaining episodes, nothing interest me. Ok he was setup. Bad. End of story. What I am looking to see in the rest of the episodes?

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                                • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                                  • Oct 2002
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                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by mineistaken
                                  Ok, I am in the middle of the first episode. How can you think he was guilty when:
                                  dna test proved otherwise
                                  they ignored some other dude who was more likely candidate
                                  they have full account of his whereabouts during the crime (went to green bay etc)
                                  it is explained why popo did not like him

                                  How could one think he was guilty by watching the start of the series is beyond me.
                                  I think he was just referring to the murder, not the rape.

                                  I say this only because he questioned things in regard to the murder, not rape.

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                                    • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                                      • Oct 2002
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by mineistaken
                                      However I am surprised it has 9.3/10 imdb rating. It did not grab me, I probably will not watch the remaining episodes, nothing interest me. Ok he was setup. Bad. End of story. What I am looking to see in the rest of the episodes?
                                      Well basically he gets out of jail, starts living life, then sues police dept for like 36 mil. Oh they don't like that.

                                      A woman gets murdered after he's the last person to see her. Yet, a lot of the circumstances in which they find evidence is super freeking fishy. Just like in the first case. Almost as if they planted everything for a second time.

                                      In the trial, the DNA woman's notes become public and she was completely jammed up admitting she did things she had never done before.

                                      I'm in that section of the series. So I haven't come to the conclusion. I mean I know that he does end up spending life in prison, but I don't know how it all comes to be.

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                                        • gnawledge
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                                          • Jul 2012
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                                          #11
                                          Innocent on everything. These cops had some personal problems with him or his family that probably go back for generations. I personally believe all parties from prior cases were going to get their retirements taken away and current cops from the old case were going to be fired or demoted and made to look like idiot thugs. So, an opportunity presented itself and said "setup" took place.

                                          The problem is the guy isn't likable, or well presented and looks disheveled. Not a high I.Q. or a way to articulate himself correctly. Watching his mannerisms, he isn't a stone cold killer that snapped all-of-a-sudden. They took advantage of that 16-year-old to confess to something he didn't partake in because he was the weakest link. And they had opportunity to stage DNA and evidence after how many times th entered his property? The crime is too perfect for a dummy.

                                          And if you want to see another travesty of justice, look up The West Memphis 3. They got it worse!
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                                            • mineistaken
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                                              • Apr 2007
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                              I think he was just referring to the murder, not the rape.

                                              I say this only because he questioned things in regard to the murder, not rape.
                                              My mistake then

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                                                • baddog
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                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                  • 107089
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                  I just started. How do you think he was guilty at the start of the series when they claim that DNA proved him not guilty?
                                                  Talking about the murder, not the rape.

                                                  Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                  But he was proven not guilty? And they clearly set him up in the first place. And then they took complete control of his property in second case, searched it 14 times and then found the lady's key? Just out in the open? Like they missed it the first 14 times? And it only had HIS DNA on it, not hers? A car she had for 8 years? Not a spot of blood on the mattress where he supposedly beat her sliced her throat and all that?
                                                  I notice a ton of "?" - you should probably watch the entire thing first. You are repeating questions I asked and not answering mine. Not fair.

                                                  Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                  Ok, I am in the middle of the first episode. How can you think he was guilty when:
                                                  dna test proved otherwise
                                                  they ignored some other dude who was more likely candidate
                                                  they have full account of his whereabouts during the crime (went to green bay etc)
                                                  it is explained why popo did not like him

                                                  How could one think he was guilty by watching the start of the series is beyond me.
                                                  Again, you are just getting started.

                                                  Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                  I think he was just referring to the murder, not the rape.

                                                  I say this only because he questioned things in regard to the murder, not rape.
                                                  Detective Grrrrowl.

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                                                    • kane
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                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                      • 20684
                                                      #14
                                                      I watched it was very intrigued by it.

                                                      Spoilers Below!!!

                                                      1. I think, in the end, Avery was guilty of the murder. Some of the evidence is clearly suspect, but there are so many other unanswered questions.
                                                      however....

                                                      2. I think the cops did plant or manipulate some evidence in order to make certain they made the case stick.
                                                      and....

                                                      3. I think the kid, the nephew, got flat our railroaded. I think he may have seen something that made him believe Avery did this and finally decided to go to the police about it. After asking him some questions I think they just assumed he was involved and from there it seemed like everyone, including his own lawyer, was hell bent on making sure he went to jail.

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                                                        • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                                                          • Oct 2002
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by baddog
                                                          I notice a ton of "?" - you should probably watch the entire thing first. You are repeating questions I asked and not answering mine. Not fair.
                                                          I know I know. I am so impatient! Watching it now. I have SO many questions!!!!!

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                                                            • Mediamix
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                                                              #16
                                                              Going to watch it right now.
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                                                                • gnawledge
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  It's a good flick. That lieutenant is a stone cold killer. I guarantee that fucker is behind most of the fraudulent behavior.
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                                                                    • BlackCrayon
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      i am in the middle of it now. makes you wonder how often this happens...
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                                                                        • HowlingWulf
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                                                                          My girlfriend is enthralled with that stuff. Me, not so much.
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                                                                            • PiracyPitbull
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                                                                              Watched the series and IMO Avery got totally shafted.
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                                                                                • JimmyStephans
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                                                                                  Watched it. Addicting, riveting, but in the end not sure what to think.
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                                                                                    • MaDalton
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                                                                                      hmmm... maybe i should watch it
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                                                                                        • Mediamix
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          From Wikipedia:

                                                                                          On December 18, 2015, Netflix released a documentary series on Avery's story called Making a Murderer.[13] The documentary "examines allegations of police and prosecutorial misconduct, evidence tampering and witness coercion."[14]

                                                                                          On December 20, 2015 a petition was created at petitions.whitehouse.gov titled "Investigate and pardon the Averys in Wisconsin and punish the corrupt officials who railroaded these innocent men".[15]

                                                                                          On December 22, 2015, the Innocence Project issued a statement stating "a member of the Innocence Network is currently looking into some aspects of his case".[16] [17] Steven was believed to be wrongfuly convicted again as there was no actual evidence of him being the murderer of Teresa Halbach exept for a car in his scrap yard that he could easly crushed and keys that had only Avery's DNA meaning the cops wiped it and then placed his DNA on it. Not only that but the key was found on the ninth search of the cabin by no other than Manitowoc county investigators who were banned from the sight. Plus on top of this, Steven's nephew's testimony was forced upon him because he was guessing what happened and his lawyer who believed he was guilty was not present and if the nephew was guilty so was Steven.
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                                                                                            • sadiedazzle
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I loved it. It gripped me sometime in the 2nd or 3rd episode. I wasn't sure if he was guilty by the end or not. Same for the nephew. I do think that he got set up though. Lots of sketchy evidence.

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                                                                                                • BIGTYMER
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                                                                                                  • Nov 2004
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                                                                                                  I don't know.. I go back and forth but I'm leaning towards guilty. Did the cops do shady shit? Fuck yeah.

                                                                                                  Why did they zero in on the kid? There was no evidence pointing to him. I think his confessions were true. The phone calls were lies.. he wasn't man enough to admit it to his mom.

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                                                                                                    • Penny24Seven
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                                                                                                      • Jun 2007
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Well worth watching. I hate not knowing for sure though. I wish they could give everyone and I mean like 100 people lie detector tests and see what the results are. I know they don't mean shit but if you have 20 people that fail it and Avery passes it would help make a call, At least for me.
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                                                                                                        • PiracyPitbull
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                          2. I think the cops did plant or manipulate some evidence in order to make certain they made the case stick.
                                                                                                          and....
                                                                                                          There are many things I don't like about the Avery case, in particular:

                                                                                                          That after around 9 searches, no DNA evidence of Teresa was found on the Avery property at any of the interior locations that were cited in the trial where Teresa was claimed to have been and certain acts committed.

                                                                                                          Considering the acts that were claimed to have happened in these areas, blood spatters and fibers would have been 100% present, no question about it.

                                                                                                          It's difficult to clean every DNA trace from a single knife due to nooks and crannies, even using bleach, let alone a whole home.

                                                                                                          So, either Avery is the most meticulous DNA cleansing expert on the planet and can clean to zero trace, every singe hair strand and blood spot from a whole home and working garage that was chock full of heavy duty equipment and garage tools, or more likely, Teresa was never there.

                                                                                                          Is one really meant to believe that an 80 IQ salvage yard worker has the capability to cleanse a messy home interior of every scrap of DNA but, instead of disposing of the other evidence in the same meticulous fashion - he deciders to simply leave the 4x4 on his own land, cover it in a tarp and a few branches, leave a few of his own DNA traces in the vehicle (but not on the key) and then to move the victims bones to within 20 feet of his own backdoor.

                                                                                                          Lenk and cronies were up to something.
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                                                                                                            • ITraffic
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              it's a documentary show. not reality. a version of reality edited to lead you towards a certain outcome.

                                                                                                              the prosecutor said the physical evidence was overwhelming and 90% of it has been left out of the series.

                                                                                                              would suck if the world gets mobilized to defend a lowest of the low scumbag who is in reality very much guilty.

                                                                                                              in the end to line the pockets of the ghouls at netflix who are banking off the pain of the family of Teresa Halbach.

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                                                                                                                • baddog
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                                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                  • 107089
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  It's OJ without cash. Both committed murder, both had cops plant evidence to ensure a conviction. Only difference is the white boy was broke.

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                                                                                                                    • baddog
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                                                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                      • 107089
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by ITraffic
                                                                                                                      it's a documentary show. not reality. a version of reality edited to lead you towards a certain outcome.

                                                                                                                      the prosecutor said the physical evidence was overwhelming and 90% of it has been left out of the series.

                                                                                                                      would suck if the world gets mobilized to defend a lowest of the low scumbag who is in reality very much guilty.

                                                                                                                      in the end to line the pockets of the ghouls at netflix who are banking off the pain of the family of Teresa Halbach.
                                                                                                                      Sheesh. .

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                                                                                                                        • kane
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                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by PiracyPitbull
                                                                                                                          There are many things I don't like about the Avery case, in particular:

                                                                                                                          That after around 9 searches, no DNA evidence of Teresa was found on the Avery property at any of the interior locations that were cited in the trial where Teresa was claimed to have been and certain acts committed.

                                                                                                                          Considering the acts that were claimed to have happened in these areas, blood spatters and fibers would have been 100% present, no question about it.

                                                                                                                          It's difficult to clean every DNA trace from a single knife due to nooks and crannies, even using bleach, let alone a whole home.

                                                                                                                          So, either Avery is the most meticulous DNA cleansing expert on the planet and can clean to zero trace, every singe hair strand and blood spot from a whole home and working garage that was chock full of heavy duty equipment and garage tools, or more likely, Teresa was never there.

                                                                                                                          Is one really meant to believe that an 80 IQ salvage yard worker has the capability to cleanse a messy home interior of every scrap of DNA but, instead of disposing of the other evidence in the same meticulous fashion - he deciders to simply leave the 4x4 on his own land, cover it in a tarp and a few branches, leave a few of his own DNA traces in the vehicle (but not on the key) and then to move the victims bones to within 20 feet of his own backdoor.

                                                                                                                          Lenk and cronies were up to something.
                                                                                                                          I think Avery killed her, but I don't think she was ever in one of the houses. I think he attacked and killed her outside and put her body in her car. He then drove the car into the salvage yard to hide it. Later, when nobody was around and it was getting dark he moved the body to the burn pile and burned it.

                                                                                                                          I had read that they found Avery's DNA on the hood of her car and the car's battery cable was cut, but neither of those things were ever mentioned during the show.

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                                                                                                                            • RummyBoy
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                                                              Who has watched "Making a Murderer" on netflix?
                                                                                                                              What's all this talk about murder?

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                                                                                                                                • Mutt
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                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  I find the filmmaker and Netflix disgusting because they are as manipulating as the corrupt cops the doc exposes - so now we have millions of people who are defending a murderous white trash creton. A total disservice to the victim and her family.

                                                                                                                                  HE'S GUILTY AS SIN.

                                                                                                                                  In the Simpson trial the dream team of million dollar attorneys exposed some of those LA cops as racist with the motivation to frame a famous black celeb, they exposed improper handling of evidence including the chain of custody of DNA/blood samples and it worked, he was acquitted even though the entire American public knew he was guilty.

                                                                                                                                  AVERY IS AS GUILTY AS OJ SIMPSON.
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                                                                                                                                    • Mutt
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                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2002
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by PiracyPitbull

                                                                                                                                      Is one really meant to believe that an 80 IQ salvage yard worker has the capability to cleanse a messy home interior of every scrap of DNA but, instead of disposing of the other evidence in the same meticulous fashion - he deciders to simply leave the 4x4 on his own land, cover it in a tarp and a few branches, leave a few of his own DNA traces in the vehicle (but not on the key) and then to move the victims bones to within 20 feet of his own backdoor.
                                                                                                                                      that's exactly what you'd expect an '80 IQ salvage yard worker' to do.

                                                                                                                                      80 IQ is quite low, you're talking about the intellectual equivalent of a 6-8 year old child at that IQ.

                                                                                                                                      there are more of those people walking around than people think. i had an uncle like that, I bet 99% of the people who met him just thought he was a jerk with dumb opinions - he wasn't like this guy, he dressed well and had a natural gift for sales so made a good living as a salesman - sold everything door to door, encyclopedias back in the 60s, vacuum cleaners, home improvements, siding, family portraits
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                                                                                                                                        • PiracyPitbull
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                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                          that's exactly what you'd expect an '80 IQ salvage yard worker' to do.

                                                                                                                                          80 IQ is quite low, you're talking about the intellectual equivalent of a 6-8 year old child at that IQ.

                                                                                                                                          there are more of those people walking around than people think. i had an uncle like that, I bet 99% of the people who met him just thought he was a jerk with dumb opinions - he wasn't like this guy, he dressed well and had a natural gift for sales so made a good living as a salesman - sold everything door to door, encyclopedias back in the 60s, vacuum cleaners, home improvements, siding, family portraits
                                                                                                                                          I realize it's much lower than average and wouldn't disagree that any person with an 80iq might consider certain actions logical that others would not.

                                                                                                                                          Maybe hiding a victims car under a tarp/branches on their own property and then moving the remains to within 20 feet of their own home might appear the acceptable disposal solution from someone not so bright.

                                                                                                                                          But, how does that same person then demonstrate completely opposite traits where they're able to cleanse an entire property of any DNA traces from expert forensic teams that scoured it for months ? I wouldn't think those polar opposite traits could exist in the same person.

                                                                                                                                          One minute he can't cover his own tracks from a blind dog for 30 minutes in a 40 acre salvage yard (approx how long it took to find the 4x4) despite having the equipment on hand to crush it and in the next minute, he's so fastidious at cleansing, forensic experts can't find DNA traces anywhere on the property.

                                                                                                                                          Since they wrongfully imprisoned him for 18 years the first time, this would have had me questioning the crap out of such anomalies. The jury felt the same initially.
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                                                                                                                                            • Craft
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                                                                                                                                              How come there was no blod on the beedroom?

                                                                                                                                              The way the push the kid i do not like.

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                                                                                                                                                • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                                                                                                                                                  Just finished it.

                                                                                                                                                  So, since the blood test was one of the most solid pieces of evidence and proving that the test was incorrect could reopen the case, I wonder why they didn't/don't think to have the blood tested themselves? Remove some blood from the vial, put it on the dashboard of a car for days, and then on a swab for months, then test it to see if it shows traces of EDTA.

                                                                                                                                                  Of course you can't reveal who the test is for, cause everyone is just all fucked up in this case. But if it didn't detect any EDTA in it then, then it would be perfectly reasonable that the blood in the car COULD in fact have come from the vial. If they DID detect EDTA in it, then the blood HAD to have come from Steven actively bleeding. No doubt about it.

                                                                                                                                                  The Manitowoc Sheriff Dept is getting nasty emails and phone calls now because of the documentary.

                                                                                                                                                  I'm sure Brendan had nothing to do with any of it. It's a shame how stupid they all are.

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                                                                                                                                                    • ManuteBol
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                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                                                                      hmmm... maybe i should watch it
                                                                                                                                                      Spoilers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Avery

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                                                                                                                                                          I have never seen it myself ....but I am planning on checking it out.

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                                                                                                                                                            • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by ManuteBol
                                                                                                                                                              Spoilers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Avery
                                                                                                                                                              Not really spoilers cause a lot of people are left wondering whether he's guilty or not.

                                                                                                                                                              Everything says no. Why do I want to feel he is? Because he's low income? Unintelligent? Dirty? Last person to see her? Even though it's obvious those police planted evidence to have him convicted.

                                                                                                                                                              Mostly because he spent 18 years in prison, and that's got to do something to a man.

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                                                                                                                                                                • kane
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 20684
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                                                                                                  Not really spoilers cause a lot of people are left wondering whether he's guilty or not.

                                                                                                                                                                  Everything says no. Why do I want to feel he is? Because he's low income? Unintelligent? Dirty? Last person to see her? Even though it's obvious those police planted evidence to have him convicted.

                                                                                                                                                                  Mostly because he spent 18 years in prison, and that's got to do something to a man.
                                                                                                                                                                  Here are some questions I have about the case. I think he is guilty, but I also think the cops planted and manipulated evidence.

                                                                                                                                                                  Assuming it wasn't him. This means that whoever killed her was able to sneak her car into the salvage yard and then either sneak her body onto the burn pile or more likely burn her body elsewhere then dump her bones and teeth in Avery's burn pile. Supposedly Avery's DNA was also found on the hood of her car. So whoever killed her must have planned right away to frame Avery then went to great lengths to do just that. Meanwhile, they did all of this without leaving any DNA evidence of their own.

                                                                                                                                                                  Brendan also says he saw something that made his suspicious which is why he went to the police in the first place. Yet, he never seems to mention (at least that we see or hear) anything about it being someone else.

                                                                                                                                                                  I think 18 years in prison messed him up, even though he was innocent of that crime, and I think he had a thing for this girl. I think he tried to make a move on her and when she turned him down he got aggressive. Things went too far and he panicked then killed her.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • robfantasy
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 6445
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      The kid confessed to the whole thing w/ specific details about everything..

                                                                                                                                                                      How much more black and white can it be...

                                                                                                                                                                      https://www.dropbox.com/s/ej65jscjwg...Kelly.pdf?dl=0
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                                                                                                                                                                        • robfantasy
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                                          • 6445
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          full initial confession transcript as well

                                                                                                                                                                          http://convolutedbrian.com.s3.amazon...Transcript.pdf
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                                                                                                                                                                            • BIGTYMER
                                                                                                                                                                              Junior Achiever
                                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                                                              • 17066
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by robfantasy
                                                                                                                                                                              The kid confessed to the whole thing w/ specific details about everything..

                                                                                                                                                                              How much more black and white can it be...

                                                                                                                                                                              https://www.dropbox.com/s/ej65jscjwg...Kelly.pdf?dl=0
                                                                                                                                                                              Did you watch it? Those interviews were sketchy as fuck. Forced/leading questions. Kids got an IQ of a rock.. or turkey as his mom likes to say.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • JasonCollins
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2013
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Haven't watched it yet, but think I will take it on the flight when I come to Vegas next week!
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • robfantasy
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 6445
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by BIGTYMER
                                                                                                                                                                                      Did you watch it? Those interviews were sketchy as fuck. Forced/leading questions. Kids got an IQ of a rock.. or turkey as his mom likes to say.
                                                                                                                                                                                      ya i watched it.. the kid is an idiot who confessed that's all there is to it. if he was smart he wouldn't have said shit.

                                                                                                                                                                                      doesn't change the fact whether he did it or not
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • ManuteBol
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 640
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                                                                                                                          Not really spoilers cause a lot of people are left wondering whether he's guilty or not.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Everything says no. Why do I want to feel he is? Because he's low income? Unintelligent? Dirty? Last person to see her? Even though it's obvious those police planted evidence to have him convicted.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Mostly because he spent 18 years in prison, and that's got to do something to a man.
                                                                                                                                                                                          - Spoilers meaning he was found guilty and still in jail, which is where it stands right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Things to think about....

                                                                                                                                                                                          - The greater weight of the evidence shows that the remains were not burned in his firepit or on his property. The evidence shows they were placed. Which the jury believed.

                                                                                                                                                                                          - The key in the trailer wasn't there, then reappeared and the shadiness of the Sheriff's dept.

                                                                                                                                                                                          - The absolute lack of motive for Stephen.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I believe that Teresa Halbach's roommate is responsible. He took a weird huge interest in the case from the get go.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                                                                                                                              Grrrrrrrrr
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 4984
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by robfantasy
                                                                                                                                                                                              The kid confessed to the whole thing w/ specific details about everything..

                                                                                                                                                                                              How much more black and white can it be...
                                                                                                                                                                                              If you think his confession was black and white, we watched a different show.

                                                                                                                                                                                              They literally told him everything to say. They even told him what to draw.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • robfantasy
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 6445
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you think his confession was black and white, we watched a different show.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  They literally told him everything to say. They even told him what to draw.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  did you read the 2 FULL transcripts.. or did you just watch the skewed documentary that omitted the majority of the evidence that proves they are guilty?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • MakeMeGrrrrowl
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Grrrrrrrrr
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 4984
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by robfantasy
                                                                                                                                                                                                      did you read the 2 FULL transcripts.. or did you just watch the skewed documentary that omitted the majority of the evidence that proves they are guilty?
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