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  • shermo
    #51
    Yes..The day of the standard affiliate rep is coming to an end. The people who have maintained their positions as solid reps, will round out their skills and become more of an asset as a whole to the company in question. Almost every great business has a strong foundation spread out by a few select, productive individuals. Adult is no different.

    I always wonder why reps don't know how to build their own traffic, make sales and be true students of the business. That's shound be a pre-req first and foremost. You wouldn't send a Mcdonalds fly flinger to Spago as a chef without training, would you? WHy should this business be any different.

    There are also many other things that are happening within the business which may shake some things up soon for everybody involved in this business. This business is forever evolving.

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      • Vick!
        Confirmed User
        • Nov 2005
        • 6882
        #52
        Why don't you understand guys?

        They are support reps, not sales reps ... they do not and cannot help you to increase your traffic, payouts etc.
        As everyone said, why would they do a 8 to 5 job if they could make money on their own?

        They are just support reps, to answer your questions regarding payouts etc.


        Anyone can post a single example where a sales rep actually helped him to increase traffic? Or provided valuable tips etc.? I personally never had one.
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          • Robbie
            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
            • Aug 2002
            • 20960
            #53
            Yeah, and if anybody ever actually tells you how to do YOUR job (making sales) then maybe it's you who are the problem. We should know our own traffic. Right?
            -Robbie
            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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              • Robbie
                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                • Aug 2002
                • 20960
                #54
                By the way...Good discussion guys.
                -Robbie
                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                  • Xrated J
                    Confirmed User
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 4347
                    #55
                    Originally posted by XoXo Cash
                    actually....that makes 3 of us
                    bunch of freaks in this town i suppose lol
                    we should all go get some drinks some time

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                      • Babaganoosh
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                        • Nov 2001
                        • 15841
                        #56
                        Originally posted by rowan
                        Reverse engineering

                        I'm sure the large programs have at least one staff member who is good at figuring out how their top affiliates make money.
                        I've considered getting a job as a rep for a long, long time just for that reason.
                        I like pie.

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                          • Iron Fist
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 23400
                            #57
                            What he said ... except I do this strictly part time and for part time expectations, do considerably well. But would love to get access to see what galleries and whatnot are converting and what the traffic streams look like coming into a program.

                            Now thats what I really want to see...
                            i like waffles

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                              • Babaganoosh
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                                • Nov 2001
                                • 15841
                                #58
                                Originally posted by Vick!
                                Why don't you understand guys?

                                They are support reps, not sales reps ... they do not and cannot help you to increase your traffic, payouts etc.
                                As everyone said, why would they do a 8 to 5 job if they could make money on their own?

                                They are just support reps, to answer your questions regarding payouts etc.


                                Anyone can post a single example where a sales rep actually helped him to increase traffic? Or provided valuable tips etc.? I personally never had one.
                                It's not their job to help you increase traffic. I frequently get good tips from a few reps who I talk to on ICQ and Skype. It's usually tips like "I see you have sent X hits to whatever site. With your traffic, I think you would make more with this site" and they are usually right.

                                I have also had my payout raised a few times when I stopped sending traffic to a particular sponsor. I have gotten first shot at exclusive content, had promo materials made just for me and always get some cool schwag at Christmas or just out of the blue. A good rep is priceless.
                                I like pie.

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                                  • Klen
                                    • Aug 2006
                                    • 32234
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by Vick!
                                    Why don't you understand guys?

                                    They are support reps, not sales reps ... they do not and cannot help you to increase your traffic, payouts etc.
                                    As everyone said, why would they do a 8 to 5 job if they could make money on their own?

                                    They are just support reps, to answer your questions regarding payouts etc.


                                    Anyone can post a single example where a sales rep actually helped him to increase traffic? Or provided valuable tips etc.? I personally never had one.
                                    Maybe but giving someone sallary from 2k to 4k monthly just for giving support about payouts and program issue it simply toomuch.Unless is very very big program with tons of active affiliates.

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                                      • nikad
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jan 2004
                                        • 2579
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                        Programs hire hot chicks to entertain poor, lonely, ass-chasing webmasters. Right now the only prerequisites for being an affiliate rep seem to be being female and a willingness to call webmasters hun and sweetie. 90% of webmasters eat that shit up. I almost never talk to an affiliate rep who knows even a fraction of what I know. What could someone like that possibly do to help me? A prerequisite for being an affiliate rep should be real experience in the business as well as operating their own websites.

                                        That's a catch-22 though. If they had the knowledge to make their sites a success they wouldn't need to be an affiliate rep. Unfortunately, no program would ever pay what someone who knows their shit would demand for their expertise.
                                        Heheh good one ;) Now for the record: I´m a female webmaster, I have done pretty much everything on the affiliate side: traffic trading, gallery building + submission, free site building + submission, blog setting up and posting, paysites reviews, ad buying and selling, some seo, script installation, speak 3 languages fluently, worked in sales as a sales account executive for the telecom industry for 10 years, so if you want or ever need an affiliate rep or sales and you can afford me, just reach out for me I love sales and support. In the meantime I am running my sites and doing biz as usual.
                                        nik
                                        Last edited by nikad; 07-31-2008, 08:25 AM.

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                                          • datatank
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2004
                                            • 5471
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Robbie
                                            What is it that you guys need help with anyway? I've always figured WE as affiliates are supposed to already know how to market and work our own traffic. The only thing I need from a program is somebody to give me anything special I may need...which is rare. I'm not sure what you guys are exactly expecting from a programs affiliate rep.

                                            They already have a webmaster area, hosted everything, and basically hold your hand. Back the clock up to the "good old days" that you hear everybody talking about...say late 1990's. They gave you NOTHING. We had to buy content. Build galleries. Host them ourselves and drive traffic too. Oh yeah...they gave us banners.

                                            I'm just wondering what the complaint now is. And what more do you want from an affiliate rep. And if you happen to be one of our affiliates at SOLO SLUT CASH what more you might need from us.

                                            Well they are needed to post on boards and buy other affiliate reps beers at broshows .
                                            Think of it like in the past programs traded joins via exits. Now affliate reps trade beers and broshows

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                                              • brand0n
                                                been very busy
                                                • Nov 2002
                                                • 26983
                                                #62
                                                im a traffic goddess
                                                want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                  • datatank
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                    • 5471
                                                    #63
                                                    Rep: "So what did you do before you became a webmaster?"
                                                    Webmaster : "Same thing as now Waiter."

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                                                      • O MARINA
                                                        I'm clockin' ya, Versace shade watchin' ya
                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 13794
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by datatank
                                                        Rep: "So what did you do before you became a webmaster?"
                                                        Webmaster : "Same thing as now Waiter."



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                                                          • Robbie
                                                            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                            • 20960
                                                            #65
                                                            They don't buy beers. LOL! Have you ever been to a show? I can tell you when I go to a show it's a lot different than the scenarios that I see created about "broventions" That shit is funny but it ain't true. I rarely see affiliate reps anyway. Most times I'm hanging with either the owner of the program or the man that runs the entire show on a day to day basis.

                                                            Either way, it's not standing at some bar having a beer bought for someone and then that person follows them blindy loyal ever after. It's funny, but quite frankly insulting.

                                                            If you do go to shows...then look for me. And then hang with me. I'll show you how to get things done. No beers bought for anyone.
                                                            -Robbie
                                                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                              • fuzebox
                                                                making it rain
                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                • 22367
                                                                #66
                                                                All the good parties have open bar anyway, plus I can afford my own beers.

                                                                The real skill is getting free dinners!

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                                                                  • HomeFry
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jun 2006
                                                                    • 1062
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                    All the good parties have open bar anyway, plus I can afford my own beers.

                                                                    The real skill is getting free dinners!
                                                                    I haven't paid for a dinner in over 10 years.
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                                                                      • jimmy-3-way
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                        • 3861
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by kristin
                                                                        .... and the random classes I take.
                                                                        Is court mandated anger management really 'a class'?
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                                                                          • PR_Glen
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Oct 2006
                                                                            • 9058
                                                                            #69
                                                                            i work an average of about 10 hours a day and often 7 days a week both from in the office and at home, just so i can be available to help out webmasters when they have a problem. Subtract that time from the amount of time you spend building sites and traffic and see how much time you have left to get some sales.

                                                                            It's amazing how rude and ignorant some of you can be about things like this. Just because we can't help you double your payouts over night doesn't make us stupid or useless. We are hard working like anyone else and taking shots at our work isn't called for and doesn't help anyone.

                                                                            My suggestion is that you spend this time working on your own sales strategies instead.
                                                                            webmaster at pimproll dot com

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                                                                              • stickyfingerz
                                                                                Doin fine
                                                                                • Oct 2005
                                                                                • 24984
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                They don't buy beers. LOL! Have you ever been to a show? I can tell you when I go to a show it's a lot different than the scenarios that I see created about "broventions" That shit is funny but it ain't true. I rarely see affiliate reps anyway. Most times I'm hanging with either the owner of the program or the man that runs the entire show on a day to day basis.

                                                                                Either way, it's not standing at some bar having a beer bought for someone and then that person follows them blindy loyal ever after. It's funny, but quite frankly insulting.

                                                                                If you do go to shows...then look for me. And then hang with me. I'll show you how to get things done. No beers bought for anyone.
                                                                                I was going to buy you a beer, but then the manager kicked us all out cause a bunch of whores were jealous of Claudia.

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                                                                                  • jmk
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 5391
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Wait! Are you saying posting half naked pics is not good enough anymore?
                                                                                    ... OMG!!!!

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                                                                                      • Robbie
                                                                                        Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                        • 20960
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by PR_Glen
                                                                                        My suggestion is that you spend this time working on your own sales strategies instead.
                                                                                        Exactly.
                                                                                        -Robbie
                                                                                        ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                          • mrwilson
                                                                                            mrwilson 2.0
                                                                                            • Jul 2007
                                                                                            • 5122
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Deej


                                                                                            I saved this thread!!!
                                                                                            great picture, whish i was the hose

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                                                                                              • Robbie
                                                                                                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                • 20960
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                I was going to buy you a beer, but then the manager kicked us all out cause a bunch of whores were jealous of Claudia.
                                                                                                I think I may be the only idiot to ever be thrown out of a casino/whorehouse in Costa Rica because of Claudia's tits being too big. LOL!

                                                                                                And I guess if you buy someone a beer you're instantly a "bro" (and remember that's a bad thing).

                                                                                                Hmmmm....I was in Las Vegas last week looking at a house. And after I had made my decision the realtor took me to Gallaghers Steak House at New York New York and bought me a very expensive steak and many drinks while I signed all the paperwork. Does that make her a "bro"?

                                                                                                Also, I bought a Corvette for CM and a Solstice for one of my kids at a local Chevy dealership. The guy who sold me both cars took me to a titty bar afterwards and bought drinks and dances. Is he a "bro"?

                                                                                                And my latest "bro" experience...Just did a little 180k deal at the bank on Tuesday. The attorney who came in to have me sign the paperwork is taking me out on Friday night to a new club and is paying for the whole night. Guess he's a "bro"

                                                                                                Damn...I guess some people on here don't know how the world works outside of porn. EVERYBODY shows their appreciation for good business in EVERY field.
                                                                                                -Robbie
                                                                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                  • nikad
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                                                                    • 2579
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                    I think I may be the only idiot to ever be thrown out of a casino/whorehouse in Costa Rica because of Claudia's tits being too big. LOL!

                                                                                                    And I guess if you buy someone a beer you're instantly a "bro" (and remember that's a bad thing).

                                                                                                    Hmmmm....I was in Las Vegas last week looking at a house. And after I had made my decision the realtor took me to Gallaghers Steak House at New York New York and bought me a very expensive steak and many drinks while I signed all the paperwork. Does that make her a "bro"?

                                                                                                    Also, I bought a Corvette for CM and a Solstice for one of my kids at a local Chevy dealership. The guy who sold me both cars took me to a titty bar afterwards and bought drinks and dances. Is he a "bro"?

                                                                                                    And my latest "bro" experience...Just did a little 180k deal at the bank on Tuesday. The attorney who came in to have me sign the paperwork is taking me out on Friday night to a new club and is paying for the whole night. Guess he's a "bro"

                                                                                                    Damn...I guess some people on here don't know how the world works outside of porn. EVERYBODY shows their appreciation for good business in EVERY field.
                                                                                                    That is true, when I worked for telecom companies and had several good clients accounts to manage, I would send them gifts for their bdays, Xmas, I would make courtesy visits to make sure everything was ok and would go for lunch, etc ( and I´m a female ) my co workers would take them to strip clubs and such

                                                                                                    The Filthy Few
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                                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                        • 30307
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                                                        I always wonder why more reps don't have their own traffic network on the side...

                                                                                                        How exactly are they supposed to help affiliates without any hands on experience?

                                                                                                        Dude...
                                                                                                        Didn't you know most sales reps are hired only because they are cheap labor to start out with make more sense as a tax right off for the company? Most sles reps are 100% useless, fuck most can not even make banners and most hardly even understand the systems in place in not only traffic but even how the fucking affiliate program works.

                                                                                                        Literally 90% of them got shit for braines.
                                                                                                        One thing they can be credited though is for stealing credit from working webmasters. They tend to be schiester's and the biggest ass kisser's in the office.

                                                                                                        When ever the boss needs a good ego stroke he call's in a sales rep to suck some ass.
                                                                                                        Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 07-31-2008, 10:59 AM.

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                                                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                            best designer on GFY
                                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                                            • 30307
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            OH and Sales Rep's are the ones programs send to Vegas for Parties. So basically all they do is drink alot, look like idiots and pose in front of camara's for FUBAR at the shows.

                                                                                                            PS: Most tend to be dead beats also, they will come in drink up everyones shit then leave talking shit about how what they are supposedly selling is better for some drunken reason.

                                                                                                            When the show is over they go back to the office kiss massive ass to the boss and pretend like they made a ton of contacts acting all busy and they will be lucky if even 1 new contact they made actually does any business.
                                                                                                            Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 07-31-2008, 11:03 AM.

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                                                                                                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                                best designer on GFY
                                                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                • 30307
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                So that sums up Sales rep for everyone. Next thread please.

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                                                                                                                  • jimmy-3-way
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                    • 3861
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                                    Dude...
                                                                                                                    Didn't you know most sales reps are hired only because they are cheap labor to start out with make more sense as a tax right off for the company? Most sles reps are 100% useless, fuck most can not even make banners and most hardly even understand the systems in place in not only traffic but even how the fucking affiliate program works.

                                                                                                                    Literally 90% of them got shit for braines.
                                                                                                                    One thing they can be credited though is for stealing credit from working webmasters. They tend to be schiester's and the biggest ass kisser's in the office.

                                                                                                                    When ever the boss needs a good ego stroke he call's in a sales rep to suck some ass.
                                                                                                                    Can I copy the first and very last part for my resume?
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                                                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                                        best designer on GFY
                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                        • 30307
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Well The only shit a good program needs is simple.

                                                                                                                        A programmer, Designer and Program operator or rather the owner as the only needed elements, hosting and network support is relatively plug and play now..

                                                                                                                        Larger operations would possibly require the help of a good accountant.

                                                                                                                        Keep in mind some larger programs have a derth of structures under it such as mail programs, PPV sites which in some cases may need additional designer or Programmer.

                                                                                                                        SO If you own a program fire everyone except the designers and the programmers. If you have a full time accountant pitch the bitch and have her come in 1 day week or 2 days a week.

                                                                                                                        By doing this you will find your company more efficient, faster and definatly more profitable by default by terminating the poser's and morons from your company...

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                                                                                                                          • datatank
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                            • 5471
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                                            Well The only shit a good program needs is simple.

                                                                                                                            A programmer, Designer and Program operator or rather the owner as the only needed elements, hosting and network support is relatively plug and play now..



                                                                                                                            SO If you own a program fire everyone except the designers and the programmers. If you have a full time accountant pitch the bitch and have her come in 1 day week or 2 days a week.

                                                                                                                            By doing this you will find your company more efficient, faster and definatly more profitable by default by terminating the poser's and morons from your company...

                                                                                                                            Thanks for the tip. Im gonna go ahead and do that now.
                                                                                                                            Do you have a copy of a standard termination email I can use too ?

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                                                                                                                              • Cyndalie
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                • 3615
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                I've always thought skills come first, bringing something to the table for a program to use you as an employee. Being sales and support is secondary and is incentive to post on boards during your free time to earn off those you recruit and help on the clock.
                                                                                                                                Cyndalie
                                                                                                                                Marketing Director
                                                                                                                                StoriesTraffic.com

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                                                                                                                                  • Vick!
                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                    • 6882
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    wow, we still discuss things professionally every once in a while.
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                                                                                                                                      • Dirty F
                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 59204
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Vick!
                                                                                                                                        wow, we still discuss things professionally every once in a while.
                                                                                                                                        Dude, look who started the thread. Doh.

                                                                                                                                        Anyway, everyone missed my point

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                                                                                                                                          • XoXo Cash
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                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2008
                                                                                                                                            • 257
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Xrated J
                                                                                                                                            we should all go get some drinks some time
                                                                                                                                            that's a possibility
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                                                                                                                                              • Iron Fist
                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                                                • 23400
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Dirty F
                                                                                                                                                Anyway, everyone missed my point
                                                                                                                                                Oh fuck.. NOW you tell us!
                                                                                                                                                i like waffles

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                                                                                                                                                  • TDF
                                                                                                                                                    Triple OG nigga on GFY
                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 27296
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by datatank
                                                                                                                                                    Thanks for the tip. Im gonna go ahead and do that now.
                                                                                                                                                    Do you have a copy of a standard termination email I can use too ?



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