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EU would not exist as we know it without USA

07-25-2008, 02:42 PM

I'm just watching Obama on CNN, and he say that EU would not exist without the huge sacrifices the US tax payers and troops gave, WTF ??
Anyway, thanks to the americans for making it so nice for us in Europe
Also he admits that US made mistakes but say he won't say I'm sorry, but rather look at the future. That's a nice way to strengthen the diplomatic contacts

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07-25-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Due

I'm just watching Obama on CNN, and he say that EU would not exist without the huge sacrifices the US tax payers and troops gave, WTF ??
Anyway, thanks to the americans for making it so nice for us in Europe
Also he admits that US made mistakes but say he won't say I'm sorry, but rather look at the future. That's a nice way to strengthen the diplomatic contacts

The US were built by europeans

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07-25-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Due

I'm just watching Obama on CNN, and he say that EU would not exist without the huge sacrifices the US tax payers and troops gave, WTF ??
Anyway, thanks to the americans for making it so nice for us in Europe
Also he admits that US made mistakes but say he won't say I'm sorry, but rather look at the future. That's a nice way to strengthen the diplomatic contacts

Fact, if the US removed our 80k to 100k (may be more than that) troops and equipment from Europe you would have to build bigger armies and could not afford the socialism that a lot of Europe enjoys.
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07-25-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by biskoppen

The US were built by europeans

That can't be right, Obama just said on TV that america made EU possible as it is today, when it's on TV it must be right
Just wondering now if EU would have been a better or worse place without US

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07-25-2008, 03:06 PM

Bye bye EU?

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07-25-2008, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Due

I'm just watching Obama on CNN,

I assume you do know that CNN stands for Chicken Noodle Network a channel about as reliable for news as Fox

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07-25-2008, 03:10 PM

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Fact, if the US removed our 80k to 100k (may be more than that) troops and equipment from Europe you would have to build bigger armies and could not afford the socialism that a lot of Europe enjoys.

That's so very far from 'fact' as to be absurd. Sit and think carefully why your statement fails on so many points. As a starter I'll point you to Germany BEFORE they started rebuilding their army. However, the subject goes oh so much deeper than that.
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07-25-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

Fact, if the US removed our 80k to 100k (may be more than that) troops and equipment from Europe you would have to build bigger armies and could not afford the socialism that a lot of Europe enjoys.

You could also argue than building an army would be an actual investment in the future since all the commcercials / recruitment for joining the army state they build leaders, higher integrity and educate people in general. So wouldn't it be better for europe it was done within europe ?
I never followed various news about armies and such so can't really comment on it, for many europeans the army is not considered a highly important subject to discuss.
If I am not mistaken Denmark did send at least 200-300 soldiers an possible a plane or a helicoptor to help in Iraq

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07-25-2008, 03:28 PM

What was his actual comment? I can bash the fuck out of anything, but I'd like a verbatim statement to base my bashing on if possible.

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07-25-2008, 03:28 PM

I don't think it is fair to blame the EU entirely on the US. Many different groups and events contributed to the catastrophe.

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07-25-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Due

I'm just watching Obama on CNN, and he say that EU would not exist without the huge sacrifices the US tax payers and troops gave, WTF ??

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07-25-2008, 07:32 PM

Dont wonder... ask the Russians... if the US had not made the sacrifices it did, the berlin air lift, standing up against the russians, putting all that US tax payer dollars into rebuild a country that was bombed to rubble....

If we had not been there, just left after the war... what do you think it would look like today... review east germany before the wall came down and poland for some examples.

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Just wondering now if EU would have been a better or worse place without US

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07-25-2008, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by venus

Dont wonder... ask the Russians... if the US had not made the sacrifices it did, the berlin air lift, standing up against the russians, putting all that US tax payer dollars into rebuild a country that was bombed to rubble....

If we had not been there, just left after the war... what do you think it would look like today... review east germany before the wall came down and poland for some examples.

Correct. But most Europeans have already forgotten about WWII and the Americans that died fighting the Germans.

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07-25-2008, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by biskoppen

The US were built by europeans

True, but if not for aid from the US about 60 years ago everyone in Europe would be sprechen der Deutsch.

And if the US had not helped, then America may have had their own Nazi problems a few years later.

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07-26-2008, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by biskoppen

The US were built by europeans

....and theft, war, slave labor.

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07-26-2008, 05:19 AM

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Correct. But most Europeans have already forgotten about WWII and the Americans that died fighting the Germans.

if you want to go back in time, i am sure all of the americans have forgotten about the American Revolutionary War as well ... america could be British if it wasnt for the help of the french

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07-26-2008, 05:32 AM

Of course the EU would not exist as we know it without the USA. Hell the USA would not exist as we know it without the French or Mexico for instance either. Everything has some cause and effect.

Hell can anyone even say for sure that the French would of had a revolution if the USA had not done so before it? Just way to many damn possibilities.

Lastly I really do not think Obama should be doing any type of apologies for the US at this stage. Hell he is addressing them and trying to fix some bridges that were really badly burnt over the past 7 or so years. Give him a break.

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The US were built by europeans

I seem to recall a lot of slaves being purchased from Africans and assorted Arabs. I also seem to recall a whole slew of Chinese people, Mexicans, and many others.

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07-26-2008, 05:36 AM

What was the exact quote?

Speech seemed pretty tight. Hellova speech writer Obama has. Reagan/JFK ish.

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