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  • buzzy
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    #1

    Margeret Thatcher to recieve state funeral (God help us)

    And it is going to cost us tax payers £3 million

    Why not give one to hitler while they are at it?

    I'm surprised there are no riots...

    For you Americans, imagine Bush, but 20x worse (no exageration) getting a $6 million dollar funeral from your tax money?
  • J. Falcon
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    #2
    Originally posted by buzzy
    And it is going to cost us tax payers £3 million

    Why not give one to hitler while they are at it?

    I'm surprised there are no riots...

    For you Americans, imagine Bush, but 20x worse (no exageration) getting a $6 million dollar funeral from your tax money?
    That old bitch aint dead yet, is she?
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    • teg0
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      #3


      Evil looking

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      • buzzy
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        #4
        Originally posted by J. Falcon
        That old bitch aint dead yet, is she?
        Unfortunately not

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        • leedsfan
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          #5
          Originally posted by teg0


          Evil looking
          she sorta looks like a heffer
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          • baddog
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            #6
            She deserves it as does Bush.

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            • Spunky
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              #7
              She will live to 100 like the queen

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              • buzzy
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                #8
                Originally posted by baddog
                She deserves it as does Bush.


                What, death?
                Last edited by buzzy; 07-22-2008, 07:14 PM.

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                • klaze
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                  #9
                  Who's that the chick from Murder She Wrote?

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                  • buzzy
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                    #10
                    Before Margret (grim reaper) Thatcher we had a world beating steel Industry, The cheapest unsubsidised deep mined coal, Cheap electricity,cheap gas, and cheap water all owned by the British people as a nation. North sea gas and oil were in state ownership and owned by us as a Nation.

                    Now all of or main vital requirements are mainly held by other countries and we are held to ransom. We were told by thatcher that Nationalised Industries didn't pay. But the first things that she sold off were Electricity and Gas that were making huge profits. These profits offset any losses made by the other nationalised Industries and they belonged to us.

                    If I had a partner in a Business and I told him that I was selling off the business but he could have a few measly shares if he was quick enough and had enough money but he would have to let me keep the rest of the profits of the sale. Then I am sure the other partner would have a criminal case against me. That is what the thatcher Government did and it was legalised corruption.

                    She put people out of work who were too old to get jobs anywhere else and most never worked again. We picked up the bill to pay for them. Thatcher, Like Blair who came after were not interested in the people of this country because she owned property abroad and if it got too bad here she could have always have moved. She lined the pockets of all of her family and friends and in the end she was a disaster to the working man of this country.

                    Her chickens are coming home to roost now as all the assets that have been sold off are starting to affect the world economy as well as our own. We only survive by virtue of the highest ever taxes on the lower paid. A man working in London on just above the minimum wage has to work the first two hrs to pay for his transport costs, the next 2 hrs to pay his tax and insurance and the next two hrs to pay council tax car tax etc. The two hours pay he has left to spend he has to pay VAT at 17.5%.

                    I really loathe Maggie and her legacy, she destroyed our country(s).

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                    • broke
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by buzzy
                      A man working in London on just above the minimum wage has to work the first two hrs to pay for his transport costs, the next 2 hrs to pay his tax and insurance and the next two hrs to pay council tax car tax etc. The two hours pay he has left to spend he has to pay VAT at 17.5%.
                      Assuming that's true... that's fucking crazy.

                      Perfect Gonzo

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                      • J. Falcon
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by baddog
                        She deserves it as does Bush.
                        What the fuck does Bush deserve?
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                        • J. Falcon
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by baddog
                          She deserves it as does Bush.
                          Yeah they deserve to share the same shallow grave.
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                          • tony299
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                            #14
                            i never knew she did that.

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                            • broke
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                              #15
                              I've always worked under the impression that anyone who achieves 'head of state' status via ballot box GETS a state funeral. Whether or not they 'deserve' it at the end of their term doesn't enter into the equation.

                              It's just a matter of practicality...

                              Do you think it would cost more to hold a nationwide referendum each time a former head of state dies to determine whether or not a they 'deserve' a state funeral or to just bury them with all the pomp and circumstance?
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                              • dodger21
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by baddog
                                She deserves it as does Bush.
                                Fuck man, I just deserve Bush!
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                                • buzzy
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by broke
                                  I've always worked under the impression that anyone who achieves 'head of state' status via ballot box GETS a state funeral. Whether or not they 'deserve' it at the end of their term doesn't enter into the equation.
                                  Not here....mabye in the USA.

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                                  • GregE
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by tony404
                                    i never knew she did that.
                                    Me either.

                                    When I think of Maggie Thatcher I think of the tough old bird who sent the British fleet west to kick ass off the coast of Argentina.

                                    If that other stuff is true, then she really does deserve the same epitaph Bush will most surely receive.

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                                    • BSleazy
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                                      #19
                                      The whole country was ran by one old women?
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                                      • scottybuzz
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                                        #20
                                        I heard that she was infact a very good leader, its just that at the end of her time she got very stupid with the tax and pretty swiftly got removed. But before she introduced those tax rules was one of the best prime ministers britian had had.

                                        Again I wasnt around in those days so merely speaking from what others have told me and what I have read.

                                        As for the funeral, should she get it? No, I dont believe tax payers should have to pay for anyones funeral regardless of who they are.
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                                        • buzzy
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                          I heard that she was infact a very good leader, its just that at the end of her time she got very stupid with the tax and pretty swiftly got removed. But before she introduced those tax rules was one of the best prime ministers britian had had.

                                          Again I wasnt around in those days so merely speaking from what others have told me and what I have read.
                                          British industry destroyed
                                          4 million unemployed
                                          Communities undermined
                                          Crime rate soared
                                          An avoidable war
                                          decline in education and the health service
                                          Privatised utility fat cats
                                          Greed is good
                                          Taxes INCREASED as a share of GDP
                                          Poll tax

                                          Need I go on

                                          There is a minority that think her personality over rules the fact she was a disaster, like the Bush supporters we still have around.

                                          Btw, nice avatar ;)
                                          Last edited by buzzy; 07-22-2008, 08:44 PM.

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                                          • broke
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by buzzy
                                            Not here....mabye in the USA.
                                            I see that now... only pol other than Churchill.

                                            Can't help but wonder if this is the precedent and we'll all be watching state funerals for Blair, Brown, et al -- until the end of time (or the end of us).
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                                              I saw her once.
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                                              • Domain Diva
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                i never knew she did that.
                                                Always 2 sides to a story tony

                                                The Uk peeps in our office even the german say she was the best ever ,she was in 3 terms so I guess that meant the majority liked her?

                                                They also mention that this was not all not the work of Tony Blair but on foundations she built .


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                                                • GregE
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by buzzy
                                                  An avoidable war
                                                  I don't know how avoidable that war was. As I recall, after the Argentinan junta invaded the Falklands they made it pretty damn clear that they had no intentions of leaving under any circumstances.

                                                  In other words, they pretty much backed Thatcher into a corner.

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                                                  • vending_machine
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                                                    #26
                                                    I've read Thatcher actually did some good stuff for the economy in the UK, in Fareed Zakarias book "The Post-American World".

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                                                      • borked
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by buzzy
                                                        I really loathe Maggie and her legacy, she destroyed our country(s).
                                                        Fucking Amen to that.

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                                                        • borked
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                                                          #29
                                                          Sarkosy is to France what Thatcher was to Britain.... mark my words...

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                                                          • sheepish
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                                                            #30
                                                            And the alternative to Maggie was? IMHO, she was the best man for the job at the time. Certainly better than the government they took over from - but it's certainly true that it's a bastard for all the eggs that were smashed to make the omelette.

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                                                            • Starfish Cash Phil
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                                                              #31
                                                              She made her cabinet shake in their boots, poor Dennis - I bet she had a ball in his mouth every evening

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                                                              • xmas13
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                                                                #32
                                                                "Almost one in 10 British citizens is living overseas, according to a study of people coming in and out of the UK."

                                                                http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6210358.stm

                                                                "Two million British citizens have left the UK in a decade, the greatest exodus from this country in almost a century, new figures will show."

                                                                http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-10-years.html

                                                                "Exodus: the great British migration"

                                                                http://www.newstatesman.com/200408020014

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                                                                • chodadog
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Can't wait for that cunt to die.
                                                                  26 + 6 = 1

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                                                                  • SGS
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by buzzy
                                                                    Before Margret (grim reaper) Thatcher we had a world beating steel Industry, The cheapest unsubsidised deep mined coal, Cheap electricity,cheap gas, and cheap water all owned by the British people as a nation. North sea gas and oil were in state ownership and owned by us as a Nation.

                                                                    Now all of or main vital requirements are mainly held by other countries and we are held to ransom. We were told by thatcher that Nationalised Industries didn't pay. But the first things that she sold off were Electricity and Gas that were making huge profits. These profits offset any losses made by the other nationalised Industries and they belonged to us.

                                                                    If I had a partner in a Business and I told him that I was selling off the business but he could have a few measly shares if he was quick enough and had enough money but he would have to let me keep the rest of the profits of the sale. Then I am sure the other partner would have a criminal case against me. That is what the thatcher Government did and it was legalised corruption.

                                                                    She put people out of work who were too old to get jobs anywhere else and most never worked again. We picked up the bill to pay for them. Thatcher, Like Blair who came after were not interested in the people of this country because she owned property abroad and if it got too bad here she could have always have moved. She lined the pockets of all of her family and friends and in the end she was a disaster to the working man of this country.

                                                                    Her chickens are coming home to roost now as all the assets that have been sold off are starting to affect the world economy as well as our own. We only survive by virtue of the highest ever taxes on the lower paid. A man working in London on just above the minimum wage has to work the first two hrs to pay for his transport costs, the next 2 hrs to pay his tax and insurance and the next two hrs to pay council tax car tax etc. The two hours pay he has left to spend he has to pay VAT at 17.5%.

                                                                    I really loathe Maggie and her legacy, she destroyed our country(s).
                                                                    As someone who lived through her government and quite a few before I have to say that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
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                                                                    • Stephen McTowelie
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Banana Claire
                                                                      Always 2 sides to a story tony

                                                                      The Uk peeps in our office even the german say she was the best ever ,she was in 3 terms so I guess that meant the majority liked her?

                                                                      They also mention that this was not all not the work of Tony Blair but on foundations she built .


                                                                      London: The facts

                                                                      There are 264 branches and subsidiaries of foreign banks in London, more than any other city in the world

                                                                      The UK banking centre manages more cross-border bank lending than any other country ? 23% of the world total

                                                                      The London foreign exchange market is the largest in the world, with a daily turnover of $753bn, more than New York and Tokyo combined

                                                                      London is the biggest market in the world for derivatives traded over-the-counter, with 43% of global turnover

                                                                      The London Metal Exchange is the biggest non-ferrous exchange in the world, handling more than 90% of the world?s business

                                                                      London is the most liquid spot market for gold and gold lending

                                                                      Along with New York, London is one of the world?s two largest fund management centres, with assets under management of almost £3,000bn

                                                                      London offers the most comprehensive range of specialist maritime services in the world and employs more than 14,000 in this field alone

                                                                      London accounts for 43% of trading in foreign equities
                                                                      Four out of five of the world?s largest law firms are based in London

                                                                      Go figure ! The country overall looks very stable.
                                                                      No offence intended here Clare but you really dont have a clue what your talking about But lucky you asked a German cause he would know even less than the English guys who live in the states

                                                                      The UK is great if your a super rich corporation or just very rich but for everyone else we get the crap taxed outta of us.

                                                                      Our fuel just went down by a few pence so now only £1.20 Or about $2.20 for a litre and we all celebrate like its xmas thats how bad it is.
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                                                                      • thunder99
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by xmas13
                                                                        "Almost one in 10 British citizens is living overseas, according to a study of people coming in and out of the UK."

                                                                        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6210358.stm

                                                                        "Two million British citizens have left the UK in a decade, the greatest exodus from this country in almost a century, new figures will show."

                                                                        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-10-years.html

                                                                        "Exodus: the great British migration"

                                                                        http://www.newstatesman.com/200408020014

                                                                        )))
                                                                        Somebody isn't very good at math. Population of Great Britain - 60m, 10% (or 1 in 10) of that should be 6m.
                                                                        yeah, yeah

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                                                                        • v4 media
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          She moved the country from manufacturing to services, and although she pissed off alot of people the country is better today because of her.
                                                                          She smashed the unions, that still today bring down the rest of Europe once a month with strikes because they're being told they can't retire on full pay at 55.

                                                                          Thatchers view was why should the state subsidise you, get off you arse and do it your self. not a bad thing.

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                                                                          • PiffStenis
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Taxpayers should not pay for it - but I would agree if they'd do it right now.

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                                                                            • John.
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Banana Claire
                                                                              Always 2 sides to a story tony

                                                                              The Uk peeps in our office even the german say she was the best ever ,she was in 3 terms so I guess that meant the majority liked her?

                                                                              They also mention that this was not all not the work of Tony Blair but on foundations she built .


                                                                              London: The facts

                                                                              There are 264 branches and subsidiaries of foreign banks in London, more than any other city in the world

                                                                              The UK banking centre manages more cross-border bank lending than any other country ? 23% of the world total

                                                                              The London foreign exchange market is the largest in the world, with a daily turnover of $753bn, more than New York and Tokyo combined

                                                                              London is the biggest market in the world for derivatives traded over-the-counter, with 43% of global turnover

                                                                              The London Metal Exchange is the biggest non-ferrous exchange in the world, handling more than 90% of the world?s business

                                                                              London is the most liquid spot market for gold and gold lending

                                                                              Along with New York, London is one of the world?s two largest fund management centres, with assets under management of almost £3,000bn

                                                                              London offers the most comprehensive range of specialist maritime services in the world and employs more than 14,000 in this field alone

                                                                              London accounts for 43% of trading in foreign equities
                                                                              Four out of five of the world?s largest law firms are based in London

                                                                              Go figure ! The country overall looks very stable.
                                                                              How much (if any) of the money involved in all of the above goes to the British people?
                                                                              Sig too old.

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                                                                              • GCN
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by PiffStenis
                                                                                Taxpayers should not pay for it - but I would agree if they'd do it right now.

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                                                                                • Klen
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Well she resolved huligan issue if nothing else.

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                                                                                  • buzzy
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by SGS
                                                                                    As someone who lived through her government and quite a few before I have to say that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
                                                                                    Of course you would say that, you're loaded with cash. She only catered for the rich, and gave the boot to the working man.

                                                                                    almost 10% of the country was unemployed, and that is an insanely crazy figure.

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                                                                                    • DamianJ
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      She was an evil cunt that tore apart this country. She divided communities, destroyed our production of ANYTHING, ruined services through privatisation and was a horrible horrible inhumane whore.

                                                                                      I will go to the funeral to piss on her fucking grave.

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                                                                                      • Big John
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Why can so few people manage an intelligent, balanced response when politics are mentioned?

                                                                                        She WAS an evil bitch. But as somebody else posted was needed at the time after the ballsup the labour government before her made. Her biggest problem was that the British public decided to leave her in power far too long and she took liberties with her power.

                                                                                        At least she had bigger balls than Blair on the world stage and the evil crap she pulled was very up front and obvious. The amount of nasty legislation and other crap Blair has managed behind the scenes during his over-long stint is insane.

                                                                                        On balance for every inexcusable nasty piece of crap she pulled she managed 2 or 3 things the country badly needed. For those around at the time with an IQ large enough to realise what was actually happening the truth of Thatcher is that she didn't ruin the country, nor was she totally good for it. As is the case with many things, the truth lies somewhere in between.

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                                                                                        • buzzy
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Big John
                                                                                          Why can so few people manage an intelligent, balanced response when politics are mentioned?

                                                                                          She WAS an evil bitch. But as somebody else posted was needed at the time after the ballsup the labour government before her made. Her biggest problem was that the British public decided to leave her in power far too long and she took liberties with her power.

                                                                                          At least she had bigger balls than Blair on the world stage and the evil crap she pulled was very up front and obvious. The amount of nasty legislation and other crap Blair has managed behind the scenes during his over-long stint is insane.

                                                                                          On balance for every inexcusable nasty piece of crap she pulled she managed 2 or 3 things the country badly needed. For those around at the time with an IQ large enough to realise what was actually happening the truth of Thatcher is that she didn't ruin the country, nor was she totally good for it. As is the case with many things, the truth lies somewhere in between.
                                                                                          Umm, she did ruin the country buddy and we are still feeling the effects of her disasterous policies today. Crime soared, she ruined our industrys, unemployment was around 4-5 million, ruined the lives of many working class people.

                                                                                          I understand what you are saying about balance, but the point is, all i am mentioning is facts, none of this is opinion.

                                                                                          The crazy bitch even said "There is no such thing as society"

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                                                                                          • DamianJ
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Big John
                                                                                            On balance for every inexcusable nasty piece of crap she pulled she managed 2 or 3 things the country badly needed.
                                                                                            Citation needed.

                                                                                            You complain about the quality of debate surrounding the cunt, yet, you come up with nonsense like that?

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                                                                                            • tranza
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              That's too bad...
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                                                                                              • wjxxx
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                You`re an idiot or fucking commie. Thatcher and Churchill were best UK leaders in XX century

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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  what's up with these old British broads? dont they ever die?

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                                                                                                  • DamianJ
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by wjxxx
                                                                                                    You`re an idiot or fucking commie. Thatcher and Churchill were best UK leaders in XX century
                                                                                                    Well argued. Now you put it like that you have totally changed my mind.

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