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  • HELMY
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    • Aug 2002
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    #1

    AVNChris says it was silly of XBIZ to give away free registration, what do YOU think?

    I'd like to hear what others thought about XBIZ's free registration promotion, because what YOU think matters to XBIZ.


    Chris,

    You go out of your way to come and shake my hand at every show, then turn right around and talk smack about XBIZ to my staff and others in the biz. That's really weird man.



    Alec
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  • jact
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    • Sep 2002
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    #2
    I wasn't able to make it to the show, but I suspect that the waived registration fees brought out a lot of faces who haven't come out for years. With so many shows, and so many expenses to cover it's a nice change not to get slapped with hundreds of dollars for a badge that does you no good anyway.
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    • TMM_John
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      #3
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      • Sly
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        #4
        I don't really see that it's anybody's business but your own... it's your show. If you want to give out free registration, by all means, go for it. If some people do not like the atmosphere that free registration may fester, they have 20 other shows they can go to... :-)
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        • TheAmericanCannibal
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          #5
          Originally posted by HELMY
          I'd like to hear what others thought about XBIZ's free registration promotion, because what YOU think matters to XBIZ.


          Chris,

          You go out of your way to come and shake my hand at every show, then turn right around and talk smack about XBIZ to my staff and others in the biz. That's really weird man.



          Alec
          Not sooo weird as I am finding out lately, he may not only have just a big nose, but he just might have two faces as well...

          :-((

          Last edited by TheAmericanCannibal; 07-16-2008, 10:13 AM.

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          • TMM_John
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            #6
            On a serious note. Free passes are great, but qualify them somehow.


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            • JFK
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              • Jan 2002
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              #7
              I think it opened up the show to a lot of new attendees. To qualify them as potential clients, would up to the webmasters who want to do business with them.

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              • KRosh
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                • Nov 2001
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                #8
                I thought it was great..and a total success. I personally did a lot of business at the show!

                There was only Two incidents isolated to ONE party at the XBIZ show so you can't say that the free registration brings in the riff raff.

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                • munki
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                  #9
                  Free or no... I had a blast at XBiz, and got a ton of biz done as well... could never ask for more from a show.

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                  • kmanrox
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                    #10
                    avn should mind their own business... how long have they been in the biz? and why is xbiz kicking their asses? lol
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                    • Xrated J
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                      #11
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                      • C H R I S
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                        #12
                        I did not say XBIZ giving away free badges was silly.

                        I replied to a thread Mitch posted suggesting we give away free badges and said that it would be silly - I did not say that it was silly for you to do it.

                        I get along great with everyone on your team and I do not talk smack - I had a great time at your show.

                        Where is this coming from Alec.
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                        • D-Money
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                          • BradM
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                            On a serious note. Free passes are great, but qualify them somehow.
                            Would be a lot of work but may be needed.

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                            • kmanrox
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                              #15
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                              • media
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                                #16
                                I thought it was a good show.. With attendance dropping at alot of the shows I think the free registration is a good incentive to get more people there that normally would not show up..

                                I miss the good ole days of the two story booths and thousands and thousands of attendees.. those were the crazy days..
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                                • TheAmericanCannibal
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by kmanrox
                                  avn should mind their own business... how long have they been in the biz? and why is xbiz kicking their asses? lol

                                  They kinda have to mind other people's business, they have competition now.
                                  While I am friendly on both sides, I'd have to say that as much as AVN hates when XBIZ implements ideas they have, how can they get mad when XBIZ comes up with a good marketing idea like free registration?

                                  Maybe it has to do with $$$ left on the table?
                                  AVN has been smart for many years however by not leaving money on the table...

                                  Where will this lead us?

                                  I think in a good direction for both parties- it's time to get creative like Sweet T and Ron C did with their Forum shows...

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                                  • HELMY
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                    On a serious note. Free passes are great, but qualify them somehow.
                                    We had both an automated and human process in place - wasn't perfect, but very effective.
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                                    • JFK
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                                      • Jan 2002
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by TheAmericanCannibal
                                      They kinda have to mind other people's business, they have competition now.
                                      While I am friendly on both sides, I'd have to say that as much as AVN hates when XBIZ implements ideas they have, how can they get mad when XBIZ comes up with a good marketing idea like free registration?

                                      Maybe it has to do with $$$ left on the table?
                                      AVN has been smart for many years however by not leaving money on the table...

                                      Where will this lead us?

                                      I think in a good direction for both parties- it's time to get creative like Sweet T and Ron C did with their Forum shows...

                                      Diversify or die
                                      Good post You're more than just a pretty face

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                                        • HELMY
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by AVNChris
                                          I did not say XBIZ giving away free badges was silly.

                                          I replied to a thread Mitch posted suggesting we give away free badges and said that it would be silly - I did not say that it was silly for you to do it.

                                          I get along great with everyone on your team and I do not talk smack - I had a great time at your show.

                                          Where is this coming from Alec.

                                          Nice try.
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                                          • SykkBoy2
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by KRosh
                                            I thought it was great..and a total success. I personally did a lot of business at the show!

                                            There was only Two incidents isolated to ONE party at the XBIZ show so you can't say that the free registration brings in the riff raff.

                                            Agreed.
                                            As the company affected by those two issues, its not a big issue because other than those two incidents, I met a lot of newer webmasters who could not have otherwise been able to afford to attend. Are these guys going to turn into major players or just become TGP submitters with a sale or 2 a day? I don't know, but at least they had a chance to attend and maybe meet someone they could make money with.

                                            That said, I don't care one way or the other if the badges are free or paid, all I care about is are we going to see any sort of ROI on our investment?
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                                            • LAJ
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                                              #23
                                              Interesting drama thread.

                                              Since I run a show it's hard for me to be objective on this one.

                                              Sig spot. And it'll be interesting to see who is on the posse bandwagon in either camp.
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                                              • C H R I S
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by TheAmericanCannibal
                                                Not sooo weird as I am finding out lately, he may not only have just a big nose, but he just might have two faces as well...

                                                :-((

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                                                • Voodoo
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                                                  #25
                                                  When is AVN going to start giving away free passes?
                                                  Last edited by Voodoo; 07-16-2008, 10:32 AM.

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                                                  • KRosh
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                                                    • Nov 2001
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by LAJ
                                                    Interesting drama thread.

                                                    Since I run a show it's hard for me to be objective on this one.

                                                    Sig spot. And it'll be interesting to see who is on the posse bandwagon in either camp.
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                                                    • TheAmericanCannibal
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by AVNChris
                                                      Better than 6 egos
                                                      I got 12 ego's, three nicknames, and one hot piece of ass now thanks to you
                                                      So I am not hating-

                                                      I am appreciating.

                                                      Believe me when I say APPRECIATING

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                                                      • C H R I S
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by TheAmericanCannibal
                                                        I got 12 ego's, three nicknames, and one hot piece of ass now thanks to you
                                                        So I am not hating-

                                                        I am appreciating.

                                                        Believe me when I say APPRECIATING

                                                        Enjoy it brother.
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                                                        • Connor
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by HELMY
                                                          I'd like to hear what others thought about XBIZ's free registration promotion, because what YOU think matters to XBIZ.


                                                          Chris,

                                                          You go out of your way to come and shake my hand at every show, then turn right around and talk smack about XBIZ to my staff and others in the biz. That's really weird man.



                                                          Alec
                                                          Since you're asking for honest opinions Alec, I'll give you an honest answer.

                                                          As someone who also runs and organizes a show, I think it's a mistake for you to give away free passes. I'm talking in general, since I've never been to your show and can't comment on it specifically. But in general, paying to attend a show means you're serious about getting something out of the show... and charging means your show will attract the most serious attendees. And IMHO, it isn't just about the numbers at the end of the day. When I attend a show, what's important to me is that I'm there with people who are serious about getting some business done. Parties are great, I love them as much as the next guy -- but they belong in the evenings, IMHO.

                                                          The Los Angeles Dodgers did a promotion once. They offered $2 tickets on Tuesday nights in the outfield. The people who showed up only because they were $2 tickets turned out to more trouble than they were worth. They were rowdy, and were basically there to raise hell instead of watch baseball. They had to cancel the promotion for the sake of the people who WERE serious about watching baseball.

                                                          So I know the "free passes" approach will win you a lot of friends, I mean who doesn't like free right? But since you asked this question I thought I'd give you my honest opinion.


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                                                          • JFK
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by AVNChris
                                                            Better than 6 egos
                                                            what flavour eggos ? I like mine with whipped cream on

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                                                            • Odie
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                                                              #31
                                                              with over-saturation of shows, I think that the organizers must do whatever works for them to increase attendance. AVN is a staple and XBiz is up and coming.

                                                              There's still tons to be done in adult where shows are concerned.
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                                                              • C H R I S
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Connor
                                                                Since you're asking for honest opinions Alec, I'll give you an honest answer.

                                                                As someone who also runs and organizes a show, I think it's a mistake for you to give away free passes. I'm talking in general, since I've never been to your show and can't comment on it specifically. But in general, paying to attend a show means you're serious about getting something out of the show... and charging means your show will attract the most serious attendees. And IMHO, it isn't just about the numbers at the end of the day. When I attend a show, what's important to me is that I'm there with people who are serious about getting some business done. Parties are great, I love them as much as the next guy -- but they belong in the evenings, IMHO.

                                                                The Los Angeles Dodgers did a promotion once. They offered $2 tickets on Tuesday nights in the outfield. The people who showed up only because they were $2 tickets turned out to more trouble than they were worth. They were rowdy, and were basically there to raise hell instead of watch baseball. They had to cancel the promotion for the sake of the people who WERE serious about watching baseball.

                                                                So I know the "free passes" approach will win you a lot of friends, I mean who doesn't like free right? But since you asked this question I thought I'd give you my honest opinion.
                                                                Great points connor.
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                                                                • TheAmericanCannibal
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by AVNChris
                                                                  Enjoy it brother.


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                                                                  I learned that when I shit talked the car dealer across the street from my car dealership when I was 21.

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                                                                  • LAJ
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by KRosh
                                                                    Taking the 5th amendment are we?
                                                                    Hell no LOL... I knew Connor was gonna be posting something far more eloquent than I'm capable of.
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                                                                    • KRosh
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                                                                      • Nov 2001
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Connor
                                                                      Since you're asking for honest opinions Alec, I'll give you an honest answer.

                                                                      As someone who also runs and organizes a show, I think it's a mistake for you to give away free passes. I'm talking in general, since I've never been to your show and can't comment on it specifically. But in general, paying to attend a show means you're serious about getting something out of the show... and charging means your show will attract the most serious attendees. And IMHO, it isn't just about the numbers at the end of the day. When I attend a show, what's important to me is that I'm there with people who are serious about getting some business done. Parties are great, I love them as much as the next guy -- but they belong in the evenings, IMHO.

                                                                      The Los Angeles Dodgers did a promotion once. They offered $2 tickets on Tuesday nights in the outfield. The people who showed up only because they were $2 tickets turned out to more trouble than they were worth. They were rowdy, and were basically there to raise hell instead of watch baseball. They had to cancel the promotion for the sake of the people who WERE serious about watching baseball.

                                                                      So I know the "free passes" approach will win you a lot of friends, I mean who doesn't like free right? But since you asked this question I thought I'd give you my honest opinion.
                                                                      Connor,

                                                                      I agree with you and and at the same time disagree with you.

                                                                      The XBIZ show brought in over 1000 people. As someone who attends pretty much every show out there, I can tell you that the XBIZ show brought out the Owners/Webmasters that have NOT been attending shows lately.

                                                                      It is not about winning friends but more about the sign of changing times as mentioned above. The majority of the people at this show were there to do SERIOUS business.

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                                                                      • Connor
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by KRosh
                                                                        Connor,

                                                                        I agree with you and and at the same time disagree with you.

                                                                        The XBIZ show brought in over 1000 people. As someone who attends pretty much every show out there, I can tell you that the XBIZ show brought out the Owners/Webmasters that have NOT been attending shows lately.

                                                                        It is not about winning friends but more about the sign of changing times as mentioned above. The majority of the people at this show were there to do SERIOUS business.

                                                                        I can't comment on that, I wasn't there. I've heard though it was 400-600 people max from a bunch of different people. But in terms of the owners, the serious people, etc., are you saying they wouldn't attend if they had to pay? I bet they would. So in that regard, I doubt the freeness of the badges were the reason for that.

                                                                        For example, who stopped attending TPF because they started to charge? Anyone here?
                                                                        Last edited by Connor; 07-16-2008, 10:46 AM.


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                                                                        • Iro
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          parked ... again

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                                                                          • KRosh
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Connor
                                                                            I can't comment on that, I wasn't there. I've heard though it was 400-600 people max from a bunch of different people. But in terms of the owners, the serious people, etc., are you saying they wouldn't attend if they had to pay? I bet they would. So in that regard, I doubt the freeness of the badges were the reason for that.

                                                                            For example, who stopped attending TPF because they started to charge? Anyone here?
                                                                            I am not saying that the owners would not attend. Sorry if that is the way my post came across - i was saying that this was a good marketing move that worked very well for xbiz
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                                                                            • Cory W
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              It makes sense in Vegas. It doesn't make sense at The Diplomat.
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                                                                              • seeric
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by TheAmericanCannibal

                                                                                I think in a good direction for both parties- it's time to get creative like Sweet T and Ron C did with their Forum shows...

                                                                                Diversify or die

                                                                                The Atlanta Forum will most certainly confirm the "Forums" place in the trade show hierarchies.

                                                                                No doubt about it.

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                                                                                • HELMY
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Connor
                                                                                  I'm talking in general, since I've never been to your show and can't comment on it specifically.

                                                                                  I respect your opinion Connor.

                                                                                  But as you said, you haven't attended our shows yet (I hope you do eventually) - and I'm sure you'd agree that general rules don't always apply to this industry.
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                                                                                    #42
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                                                                                    • munki
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      at least be a lil fair...

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                                                                                      • Due
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        When people is anyway paying $1500-$2000 per person for the hotel, I doubt $100-$200 for registration would make a difference, to be honest I don't even take registration fees into consideration when deciding if I would go to a show or not.
                                                                                        A worthy promotion could be including free registration to people staying at the show hotel
                                                                                        I skipped xbiz myself since it is in the month of july and probably a lot of people would head on vacation just after and I got 2 shows to go to in august.
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                                                                                        • JFK
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                          The Atlanta Forum will most certainly confirm the "Forums" place in the trade show hierarchies.

                                                                                          No doubt about it.
                                                                                          Looking Forward to that one! Innovation is the key to bring out the people, who would otherwise stay at home

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                                                                                          • hypedough
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            I've been in the video side of the business since '03 and I can tell you AVN (magazines) think what they do controls the business. If you're not advertising with AVN, you're nothing in their minds. There are plenty of companies that don't use AVN and are hugely successful (Anabolic, Diabolic, etc.). I guess this holier than thou thing goes for staff too.

                                                                                            Of course it'd be silly for AVN to give badges for free, they'd be actually doing something positive for the business.

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                                                                                            • TheAmericanCannibal
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by JFK
                                                                                              Good post You're more than just a pretty face

                                                                                              That's what that fuckin midget keeps sayin

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                                                                                              • JFK
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by TheAmericanCannibal
                                                                                                That's what that fuckin midget keeps sayin
                                                                                                into midgets now ??

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                                                                                                • Sebastian Sands
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  It was a great show. moving it to May will be a good move as well. Internext I have a love/hate relationship with but it has nothing to do with the fee, although sometimes a bt high for what you get.

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                                                                                                  • Anthony
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Helmy,

                                                                                                    XBIZ Vegas 2008 was a success.

                                                                                                    Thank you!

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