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  • DixieDash
    Confirmed User
    • May 2008
    • 339
    #51
    Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
    Sorry, I confused Dana with Daisy, as to which talent you are currently banging - but you know what I meant.

    BTW, your DixieDash (Dana's site) stats are even worse than your DaisyMarie stats, as I correctly cited (and you ignored):

    DaisyMarie18: 645,842
    DixieDash: 789,769



    Which site of yours has the highest Alexa rank (and what is the rank)?

    Anyway, how is it that Alexa does not cite a single website of yours that I looked up in the top 500,000, if in fact you are drawing the 750,000 visitors to your sites as you claim? That is simply inexplicable.

    Among the reasons many people have trouble believing anything you say, is that you make ridiculous claims without providing any proof, besides your word, which has not proven to be worth much based upon previous revelations about you (your last employer called you a liar, a cheat, and a thief).

    You protest that you've only had over six months to generate traffic, as to why Alexa's independent site data reveals that your site traffic stats totally suck:



    "Just launched in January", yeah, as in over six months ago (and you were giving away GOLD, as much as $20,000 of it to draw affiliates - yet no affiliate received a single penny worth of gold in your contest).

    You are a total bullshitter on GFY, and always have been.

    Be glad I have left your trainwreck personal life out of my postings so far...

    My comments have been relevent to the thread inasmuch as you carry on as a know-it-all about how to make money in the adult biz, while defending thieves, yet independent stats (and your own past writing) do not reveal that you have achieved any significant level of success in the adult business.

    Not long ago, you were asking for work/donations to buy your wife a gift, and just today you were trolling GFY for side video editing work (while trying to maintain the facade that you are making money hand over fist).

    Yet you still try to carry on like some bigshot...brown-nosing anyone that will give you the time of the day, and trying to con everyone else.

    Gold, Jerry, Gold!!!

    ADG
    First off, my site is new and only soft launched. Thanks for throwing my name in there. Every thread you have posted in that I have posted in I was respectful even tho you have beef with Stickyfingerz. I judge people according how they treat me. So please leave my name out of your posts unless you have a problem with me and I have given you no reason to. Also, the program is fairly new, thus the newer sites stats. Never once has sticky said he makes money hand over fist. You have no right to bring personal stuff into the matter, because if the information you have is completely factual, then you know that would be very low and wrong to go there. So I am asking you nicely and semi respectfully this time to leave my name and me out of it, all together. Thank you

    and I'm not his fiancee lol :p
    Last edited by DixieDash; 07-07-2008, 11:56 PM.
    http://www.StickyBoxBucks.com

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      • Jens Van Assterdam
        The Dupre Pimp
        • Feb 2008
        • 6677
        #52
        I wonder if sticky ever had to ship a goldbar in his promo..
        Read TOS for signature rules

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          • stickyfingerz
            Doin fine
            • Oct 2005
            • 24984
            #53
            Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
            Sorry, I confused Dana with Daisy, as to which talent you are currently banging - but you know what I meant.

            BTW, your DixieDash (Dana's site) stats are even worse than your DaisyMarie stats, as I correctly cited (and you ignored):

            DaisyMarie18: 645,842
            DixieDash: 789,769



            Which site of yours has the highest Alexa rank (and what is the rank)?

            Anyway, how is it that Alexa does not cite a single website of yours that I looked up in the top 500,000, if in fact you are drawing the 750,000 visitors to your sites as you claim? That is simply inexplicable.

            Among the reasons many people have trouble believing anything you say, is that you make ridiculous claims without providing any proof, besides your word, which has not proven to be worth much based upon previous revelations about you (your last employer called you a liar, a cheat, and a thief).

            You protest that you've only had over six months to generate traffic, as to why Alexa's independent site data reveals that your site traffic stats totally suck:



            "Just launched in January", yeah, as in over six months ago (and you were giving away GOLD, as much as $20,000 of it to draw affiliates - yet no affiliate received a single penny worth of gold in your contest).

            You are a total bullshitter on GFY, and always have been.

            Be glad I have left your trainwreck personal life out of my postings so far...

            My comments have been relevent to the thread inasmuch as you carry on as a know-it-all about how to make money in the adult biz, while defending thieves, yet independent stats (and your own past writing) do not reveal that you have achieved any significant level of success in the adult business.

            Not long ago, you were asking for work/donations to buy your wife a gift, and just today you were trolling GFY for side video editing work (while trying to maintain the facade that you are making money hand over fist).

            Yet you still try to carry on like some bigshot...brown-nosing anyone that will give you the time of the day, and trying to con everyone else.

            Gold, Jerry, Gold!!!

            ADG
            Tell you what. Ill give you plenty of opportunity to suck my cock next time I see you lmao. If you can't figure out that 750k going into 123 domains well then... lmao. I have sites at 175,000 on alexa.

            Its amazing you have such a bug up your ass about me. Where and when exactly by the way did I claim our program is making money hand over fist? You are a utter fucking moron. And you cite my former "employer" which he never was. I did side work for him helping him keep rent at the motel eight is all. Its also amazing that I start a second biz besides our program now that I have a bit of room to breathe and you call this trolling for work. lmao. Its called hard work and perseverance. ANYONE that says a new program starts rolling in the dough is a liar. Of course its financially difficult. Especially when you dont start out with a 100k budget. You are simply petty and pathetic. Make whatever claims you care to. Ill still be here. You and your gang of sticky haters tried to get rid of me last year over a bunch of bs that I think anyone with a brain can now see was bs. Maybe you missed the little rant about you the other night? Hey but feel free to take that guy that shows up once every 3 or 4 months in a drunken stupors word.

            Regardless of what you say, you have no idea what I have going on, and how hard I work everyday. Sure Im not a huge fish now. But I will work until I am. You somehow paint that as a bad thing. Have at it Larry. Your opinion of me and my program makes little difference to me. And I am sorry I dont run fhgs on my domains to increase their alexa. We don't do free hosting period. I work on getting solid traffic. Over all our domains. Its not a overnight process. Btw Dixie only launched last month so I think her alexa is just fine. Ta ta old hippy.

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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942
                #54
                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                There are a lot of members areas out there using streaming h264 rtmpe right now. I wont speak up for them as its not my place. Ours rebills just fine.

                The problem is everyone worried what "might" happen. The error happened long before most of us were in Adult. The model was flawed from the get go.

                Jim all I ask is this. And answer honestly. Do you think that a member should be allowed to keep all videos in a members area for the price of renting them?

                This needs changed over industry wide. No more video downloads they can keep forever.

                Personally I would MUCH prefer to wack it to streaming vids rather than wait for them to download.

                Who runs Videobox? Ask them which does better their streaming model, or their download model. They have both available to the member. Shit Im even a member there, and I pick streaming everytime unless there is a vid I really want to see and they dont have that option yet. Who watches the same porn vid more than once and wacks to it again within say even 1 month? Maybe if that was their ONLY video to watch yes, but if they are offered the option to watch a fresh vid they have never seen and looks hot they will choose new over old everytime. So personally I wouldn't want to clog up my hard drive with vids I might never watch again.

                Add to that, that a VERY large number of paysite members are husbands that do not want their wife finding their porn. So Im sure MANY would rather have a fast streaming, fully scrubable high quality video solution that isn't saved to their computer, but that they have super easy access to.

                Let me ask you another question, do you think that with the current model, and the increasing amount of piracy going on it is a good idea to continue feeding that lurking monster? Its like having a dragon in your basement that is eating your children but you keep sending down sides of beef to it to eat.

                Everyone on the planets bandwidth is increasing 10 fold if not now, soon. Everyone will eventually be on fiber pushing 30 megs up and down. That means if I have a vid on my computer I can hit up my buddy who wants to see the video. Its about 700MB so normally that would of taken uploading to a host, waiting a long ass time, then giving them the link. Would require them to pay for some hosting at least. Now its coming where they will be able to hit up that same buddy via say Yahoo messenger, click file send, and that 700MB file will be there in minutes.

                This is not going to get better, its going to get worse. No matter of legal wrangling, or just flat out whining is going to stop it. The only way is to cut off the super easy access to the supply. Ok I've got work to do. [/rant] hehe
                Great post and needs repeating. The problem is a lot of people running paysites simply don't understand the needs of the consumers. The BS that has been spoken about members shows how little some people know.



                Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
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                  • Paul Markham
                    Too old to care
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 52942
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Black_Widow
                    That?s because you are a webmaster. If you were some guy with fixation on certain fetish you would watch same shit over and over. I don?t think that some guy that sees long toe nails and loves the girl will be be pocking his clown on videos with grandma. He will be getting off on same video for months.
                    Absolute cods wallop. That's English slang for rubbish.

                    99% (OK maybe 95%) of the porn produced in this industry is not worth watching twice. And there is the crux of the problem today. We have produced crap content that is not worth keeping, is not worth paying for and now complaining because some people have brought out sites with free stuff that is not worth keeping and not worth paying for.

                    mynameisjim has the right idea for some.

                    The model of "All the content you can download and keep for $29.95" seemed to work in the days when there was so much money to be made it didn't matter. But the market is mature now and maybe a new model is needed.
                    The days of throwing up a site with content anyone can shoot, 40 scenes and sending as much traffic as possible to spend $29.95 are over and every surfer you do get to sign up is another potential Tube user. For 8 years you said traffic was King and content could be got anywhere. Well you proved that right. The Tube sites get the content anywhere and the traffic comes. The problem is they don't charge $30 for it.

                    The future will belong to the guys who know what the surfer wants, able to produce it and at the price the member's willing to pay for it. If you can't figure it out the Tubes will take your traffic.

                    The only hope you have is if others with the money and the balls shut down the Tube sites.



                    Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
                    PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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                      • The Duck
                        Adult Content Provider
                        • May 2005
                        • 18243
                        #56
                        Tube sites will die.
                        Skype Horusmaia
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                          • Paul Markham
                            Too old to care
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 52942
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Barefootsies
                            A-fucking-MEN. Thank you.

                            Many people, no offense to stinkyzingerz the republican, talk and think like a fucking webmaster. "What makes it easier for THEM", and "how THEY like to do it", and so on.

                            I've read this countless times on this, and other, forums. No one gives a fuck how YOU like to do it. It's about how the member, or returning customer likes it. This almost always comes up in the whole pretty website design discussions.

                            Pretty websites are for webmasters. Not surfers. Surfers want good...

                            1. Content.
                            2. Navigation.
                            3. Download speeds.
                            4. Consistent updates.
                            5. Support. Interaction.

                            Spot on. But what do you expect when webmasters open paysites? How often do we see people here say they do not buy porn, consume porn or even like porn? Being a vegetarian would not look good on a butchers CV.

                            We talk about members as if they are the problem not the solution. Trust me the surfer is the solution, we need to stop catering to affiliates and sending more traffic to more sites that piss off the consumer and start producing a product and service people will pay for.

                            Problem is some sponsors don't have a clue what I'm talking about. To them porn is easy to shoot and any girl naked is hot!!!



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                              • nextri
                                Confirmed User
                                • May 2004
                                • 1661
                                #58
                                There is no adult webmaster forum worse than GFY... The amount of bullshit, and ignorant newbies on this forums is just amazing..
                                The simple fact that the main forum is called Fucking Around AND Program Discussion is a good sign that this is not a place for business.
                                Would be so much better if those two were split into two subforums. One for Fucking Around like 95% of the people here do, and one for Program Discussion and business for the other 5%
                                DivaTraffic - Traffic for Models

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                                  • Paul Markham
                                    Too old to care
                                    • Jun 2001
                                    • 52942
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                    All I am saying is before making big changes to your program, check out the source/people giving you free advice, and then make your own judgement call...

                                    ADG
                                    This industry has been taking advice from the wrong people for 8 years. It's this advice that has got us into the situation we find ourselves in today. Or are you saying the advice was right?

                                    For 8 years it's GENERALLY been the same approach. The surfer is a scammer who wants to download your complete server and then cancel or even charge back. He's also someone you can use pre clicked boxes to sell him something he does not want, sign him up for free and in truth charge him as much as you can, sign him up to a site that's full of crap that's not worth the money. Will not even go into all the other shit things we do to him.

                                    Basically rip him off so you can pay an affiliates as much money as possible. GOD FORBID you should ever treat an affiliate as badly as you treat a member or surfer. That will get you exposed as a scammer, shaver and down right nasty person on every board possible.

                                    So what has changed that makes it different today? Tube sites rip off us and give the surfer what they want. And fuck me if the surfer does not prefer them to our paysites. What a wonder that is.

                                    If you want the surfer to come back what do you think will make him come back? Because none of you have a hope in hell of closing Tube sites.



                                    Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
                                    PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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                                      • Barefootsies
                                        Choice is an Illusion
                                        • Feb 2005
                                        • 42635
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                        For 8 years it's GENERALLY been the same approach. The surfer is a scammer who wants to download your complete server and then cancel or even charge back. He's also someone you can use pre clicked boxes to sell him something he does not want, sign him up for free and in truth charge him as much as you can, sign him up to a site that's full of crap that's not worth the money. Will not even go into all the other shit things we do to him.

                                        Basically rip him off so you can pay an affiliates as much money as possible. GOD FORBID you should ever treat an affiliate as badly as you treat a member or surfer. That will get you exposed as a scammer, shaver and down right nasty person on every board possible.
                                        Should You Email Your Members?

                                        Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                        Enough Said.

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                                          • FightThisPatent
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2003
                                            • 4090
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                            Sticky, DRM/encrypted streams that do not allow the surfer to download the videos sound like a good idea in principle, but it really has to affect rebilling and customer satisfaction, no? If you are running sites using it now, tell the truth, don't you receive angry emails from members asking why they can't save the videos to their hard drives? I mean, it may work to keep your content from being reposted but at what cost? I simply can't believe that your customers are okay with this and are happy to keep paying to not be able to save the videos.

                                            why not make the silent license last for like a year after they quit.. then you pop them with a message to join again.

                                            the failure of DRM was initially the implementation, webmasters cut people off the moment they quit the site. then review sites started to track who was using DRM videos..

                                            DRM is easily stripped anyways (fairuse4WM), so only takes one clever kid to strip it out and share it with the world through P2P and tube type sites.

                                            best bet is to watermark.

                                            for those ultra-paranoid about ppl cropping the video to take out the watermark, make it rotate positions on the top and bottom to prevent clipping.

                                            Fight the sharing!

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                                              • FightThisPatent
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Aug 2003
                                                • 4090
                                                #62
                                                Flash video is all the rage. Like Paul said you don't have to download it, can watch it immediately. Those that want the downloads are hardcore porn addicts and leeches.

                                                Offer good content, good price, and members will stay on. They understand the billing, like paying for HBO... when you stop paying for it, you can't see it anymore.

                                                illegal tube sites certainly put a dent into all of this, but its a challenge a business owner must face and to address it.

                                                so many program owners miss the #1 rule of business, know thy customer.

                                                Fight the preaching!

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                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                    Too old to care
                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                    • 52942
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by FightThisPatent
                                                    Flash video is all the rage. Like Paul said you don't have to download it, can watch it immediately. Those that want the downloads are hardcore porn addicts and leeches.

                                                    Offer good content, good price, and members will stay on. They understand the billing, like paying for HBO... when you stop paying for it, you can't see it anymore.

                                                    illegal tube sites certainly put a dent into all of this, but its a challenge a business owner must face and to address it.

                                                    so many program owners miss the #1 rule of business, know thy customer.

                                                    Fight the preaching!
                                                    Good plan. I wonder why so many did not follow it from day one?

                                                    Let me think about it for 2 seconds.

                                                    Yes most of the people who came into Internet porn back in 1998 were programmers. Few had a clue about porn, they had less of a clue on the buyer and why he bought porn. Most thought it was something to get rich quick on, which in the beginning it was. The pioneers made it largely because it was so fucking easy anyone could do it. They then thought the way these people succeeded was the way to succeed. Most of those copying were clueless why a site sold.

                                                    Ten years on we have the industry WE created. Yes WE created the mess we are in. We listened to people who if they had known what they were talking about the surfers would not be rushing to get their thrills from a Tube site.

                                                    That is the reason it's so tough today. The product most of us sell does not COMPETE with Pornotube and Redtube and all most can do is dream they will disappear. I'm planning to bring out a site none of you can copy the porn it will contain, that will put me apart from most. Then I will be reviving the $5 idea and selling porn at a price surfers will buy at.

                                                    Now you can all bleat that you won't send traffic to it. So keep sending traffic to sites that rip off the surfer. Because that's the bottom line and the reason we are in the shit. For 10 years you have been more than happy to send traffic to sites that made a lot of surfers think Tube sites were a better deal.

                                                    Barefootsies you can quote this and add some smilies, does not make any useful contribution except to show you don't have anything constructive to say.



                                                    Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
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                                                      • chodadog
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Apr 2002
                                                        • 9736
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                        You seem to be confirming what I am saying about Streaming vs. Download though correct? Streaming is the more popular choice if given the option?
                                                        You're living in a fantasy world. Surfers want downloadable DRM free videos.

                                                        http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=2880
                                                        http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=1164
                                                        http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=1163
                                                        http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=9018
                                                        26 + 6 = 1

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                                                          • bizarrejan
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • May 2006
                                                            • 1487
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Eriic
                                                            She or he or it is to busy sucking my rock hard old cock to help you.

                                                            you wish??

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                                                              • Barefootsies
                                                                Choice is an Illusion
                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                • 42635
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                Barefootsies you can quote this and add some smilies, does not make any useful contribution except to show you don't have anything constructive to say.
                                                                You are overly defensive toots. I was not slamming you, or your remarks in my previous reply. It was laugh out loud funny, and I agreed with it.

                                                                You need to cool it chief on thinking everyone's out to bash you. Save it for your fan club.
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                                                                Enough Said.

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                                                                  • stickyfingerz
                                                                    Doin fine
                                                                    • Oct 2005
                                                                    • 24984
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by chodadog
                                                                    You're living in a fantasy world. Surfers want downloadable DRM free videos.

                                                                    http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=2880
                                                                    http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=1164
                                                                    http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=1163
                                                                    http://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=9018
                                                                    apparently so many want downloadable videos they took that site down.

                                                                    "cannot connect to mysql"

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                                                                      • DarkJedi
                                                                        No Refunds Issued.
                                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                                        • 28301
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Serious business.

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                                                                          • tony299
                                                                            lurker
                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                            • 57021
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by FightThisPatent
                                                                            Flash video is all the rage. Like Paul said you don't have to download it, can watch it immediately. Those that want the downloads are hardcore porn addicts and leeches.

                                                                            Offer good content, good price, and members will stay on. They understand the billing, like paying for HBO... when you stop paying for it, you can't see it anymore.

                                                                            illegal tube sites certainly put a dent into all of this, but its a challenge a business owner must face and to address it.

                                                                            so many program owners miss the #1 rule of business, know thy customer.

                                                                            Fight the preaching!
                                                                            Disabled the right click in 2000 lost half my members in two days. Brandon you're a smart guy, people have been use to one way for a long time now.They aren't just going to accept now you only get to see it as long as your paying for it. Now Sticky is starting from nothing so that's the way he does it great for him. Im not starting from zero and there more sites in my niche that you can download the video than not.
                                                                            Also whats not spoken about you want to do only flash and you have more than 5 members. You need some heavy duty server power.
                                                                            Last edited by tony286; 07-08-2008, 08:31 AM.

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                                                                              • nation-x
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                • 5370
                                                                                #70
                                                                                I think that most of you sound like idiots... of course the surfer will tell you they want to keep it... but Paul is right... if your content is on point then it doesn't matter because they will still buy memberships to wack it to the girl/scene that makes them hot. Videobox and AEBN are perfect examples of programs that do it right and make more money the most of your programs combined.

                                                                                lol @ alexa... I have tgps that have a way higher alexa then those... hehe.

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                                                                                  • raven1083
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jul 2007
                                                                                    • 7687
                                                                                    #71
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                                                                                      • stickyfingerz
                                                                                        Doin fine
                                                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                                                        • 24984
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                        Disabled the right click in 2000 lost half my members in two days. Brandon you're a smart guy, people have been use to one way for a long time now.They aren't just going to accept now you only get to see it as long as your paying for it. Now Sticky is starting from nothing so that's the way he does it great for him. Im not starting from zero and there more sites in my niche that you can download the video than not.
                                                                                        Also whats not spoken about you want to do only flash and you have more than 5 members. You need some heavy duty server power.
                                                                                        So not to offend, but what you are saying is. You want to stop content theft, piracy, etc, but you don't want to take any personal risk to help the industry overall. Because in 2000 8 years ago people got mad about disabling right click and saving images. I mean come on that is what it comes down to here. The industry is being attacked and no one wants to really goto war. Everyone wants to sit compliantly and let someone else take the risk. And since "joe smo site owner" might not jump in on the cause everyone has to stay at the status quo. Isn't that partly how all this mess started? Webmaster B saw that webmaster A was giving away more on their free site, tgp, whatever, so webmaster B started giving away more than A to try to take back their marketshare. Then Webmaster A saw B is giving away more now, and Webmaster C was giving away twice that, so Webmaster A went and bought (or stole) a shit load more content and doubled what C was doing.

                                                                                        Call me whatever names you all want, but I am far from stupid, and its pretty obvious how this all happened. Tell me whatever you want about decades of experience blah blah. How can you NOT realize what is happening, and will continue to happen till the old model is crushed and everyone takes advantage of newer technology?

                                                                                        As far as heavy duty server power. Let someone else worry about that. Cavecreek and Webair, and Natnet, and a bunch of others have CDN and they will be able to handle whatever traffic you throw at them. You will end up saving money on bandwidth on top of that, so its a win win. Phase it in if you are worried about it all. *shrugs*

                                                                                        And again anyone wanting to get started on switching to streaming rtmpe hit me up. I can get you going in the right direction.

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                                                                                          • tony299
                                                                                            lurker
                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                            • 57021
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                            So not to offend, but what you are saying is. You want to stop content theft, piracy, etc, but you don't want to take any personal risk to help the industry overall. Because in 2000 8 years ago people got mad about disabling right click and saving images. I mean come on that is what it comes down to here. The industry is being attacked and no one wants to really goto war. Everyone wants to sit compliantly and let someone else take the risk. And since "joe smo site owner" might not jump in on the cause everyone has to stay at the status quo. Isn't that partly how all this mess started? Webmaster B saw that webmaster A was giving away more on their free site, tgp, whatever, so webmaster B started giving away more than A to try to take back their marketshare. Then Webmaster A saw B is giving away more now, and Webmaster C was giving away twice that, so Webmaster A went and bought (or stole) a shit load more content and doubled what C was doing.

                                                                                            Call me whatever names you all want, but I am far from stupid, and its pretty obvious how this all happened. Tell me whatever you want about decades of experience blah blah. How can you NOT realize what is happening, and will continue to happen till the old model is crushed and everyone takes advantage of newer technology?

                                                                                            As far as heavy duty server power. Let someone else worry about that. Cavecreek and Webair, and Natnet, and a bunch of others have CDN and they will be able to handle whatever traffic you throw at them. You will end up saving money on bandwidth on top of that, so its a win win. Phase it in if you are worried about it all. *shrugs*

                                                                                            And again anyone wanting to get started on switching to streaming rtmpe hit me up. I can get you going in the right direction.
                                                                                            I didnt call you any names but its easier when you are starting from zero. Im not I have a mortgage to pay so I cant be ground breaking and I have competitors. Also when you have been around as long as me without depending on anyone else with a day job then you can belittle my experience. I hired remove your content and they have done a great job so dont put words in my mouth about doing nothing.

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                                                                                              • webbom
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                                                                                                • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Sorry for the newbie question but why are the sites illegal?
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                                                                                                  • notoldschool
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                                                                                                    • Aug 2007
                                                                                                    • 5687
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                    So not to offend, but what you are saying is. You want to stop content theft, piracy, etc, but you don't want to take any personal risk to help the industry overall. Because in 2000 8 years ago people got mad about disabling right click and saving images. I mean come on that is what it comes down to here. The industry is being attacked and no one wants to really goto war. Everyone wants to sit compliantly and let someone else take the risk. And since "joe smo site owner" might not jump in on the cause everyone has to stay at the status quo. Isn't that partly how all this mess started? Webmaster B saw that webmaster A was giving away more on their free site, tgp, whatever, so webmaster B started giving away more than A to try to take back their marketshare. Then Webmaster A saw B is giving away more now, and Webmaster C was giving away twice that, so Webmaster A went and bought (or stole) a shit load more content and doubled what C was doing.

                                                                                                    Call me whatever names you all want, but I am far from stupid, and its pretty obvious how this all happened. Tell me whatever you want about decades of experience blah blah. How can you NOT realize what is happening, and will continue to happen till the old model is crushed and everyone takes advantage of newer technology?

                                                                                                    As far as heavy duty server power. Let someone else worry about that. Cavecreek and Webair, and Natnet, and a bunch of others have CDN and they will be able to handle whatever traffic you throw at them. You will end up saving money on bandwidth on top of that, so its a win win. Phase it in if you are worried about it all. *shrugs*

                                                                                                    And again anyone wanting to get started on switching to streaming rtmpe hit me up. I can get you going in the right direction.

                                                                                                    Dude you should stop posting about shit you have no clue about. Leave it to someone who gets absolutly NO TRAFFIC to tell people what members want. THe more you speak the more clear you make it that YOU have no clue. Members want to download the movies period. I had more members in 03 than you will have in the next 5 years. How can you stand there and protest to know what members want? Alexa is off, but it doesnt matter if you use Alexa, compete, or your very own stats, any proggie owner worth a sale knows you do less than a couple sales a day. Fact.
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                                                                                                      • shadowsdrop
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                                                                                                        This is interesting. links?
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                                                                                                          • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                                            • 24984
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                                                            Dude you should stop posting about shit you have no clue about. Leave it to someone who gets absolutly NO TRAFFIC to tell people what members want. THe more you speak the more clear you make it that YOU have no clue. Members want to download the movies period. I had more members in 03 than you will have in the next 5 years. How can you stand there and protest to know what members want? Alexa is off, but it doesnt matter if you use Alexa, compete, or your very own stats, any proggie owner worth a sale knows you do less than a couple sales a day. Fact.
                                                                                                            Mr Fake nick again making claims he wont back up. Name your program, name one site you have otherwise gtfo. Just as I said in comes someone saying I am wrong, when the writing is already on the wall. Believe as you will have at it, it wont stop what is happening.

                                                                                                            Everyone talks about conversions being bad now? Just wait for fiber to replace the current broadband model. Anyone remember direct connect? Watch something similar to that come out but work via instant messengers. [sarcasm]Everyone stay right where you are, no need to change. Everything will be just fine... [/sarcasm] keep telling yourselves that lol.

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                                                                                                              • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                • 42635
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                                Everyone talks about conversions being bad now?
                                                                                                                Who is, "everyone"?

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                                                                                                                  • ultimatebbwdotcom
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                                                                                                                    • 591
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                    I didnt call you any names but its easier when you are starting from zero. Im not I have a mortgage to pay so I cant be ground breaking and I have competitors. Also when you have been around as long as me without depending on anyone else with a day job then you can belittle my experience. I hired remove your content and they have done a great job so dont put words in my mouth about doing nothing.
                                                                                                                    Seriously Tony, you can phase this in.
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                                                                                                                      • tony299
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by ultimatebbwdotcom
                                                                                                                        Seriously Tony, you can phase this in.
                                                                                                                        To each his own Right to go thru the great expense to do it right.Its not worth it currently to me also would rather use the dollars to book shoots.Not one customer to date has asked me for flash but I still do get the guy on win 3.1 or the box too old to watch videos or webtv.

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                                                                                                                          • notoldschool
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                                                                                                                            • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                            • 5687
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                                            Mr Fake nick again making claims he wont back up. Name your program, name one site you have otherwise gtfo. Just as I said in comes someone saying I am wrong, when the writing is already on the wall. Believe as you will have at it, it wont stop what is happening.

                                                                                                                            Everyone talks about conversions being bad now? Just wait for fiber to replace the current broadband model. Anyone remember direct connect? Watch something similar to that come out but work via instant messengers. [sarcasm]Everyone stay right where you are, no need to change. Everything will be just fine... [/sarcasm] keep telling yourselves that lol.
                                                                                                                            Ok brain, riddle me this. It takes less than a minute to download a full length high quality video with DSL or Cable ISP's, so what is fiber optic going to change?

                                                                                                                            You stating that members dont want to download is foolish and quite the ignorant statement. People that own programs or have sites that do 100+ sales a week know the shit your talking proves how green you are. Nobody needs to change over their whole biz model because some scums want to give away movies for free. If you knew a thing about collectors you would know that STREAMING Blows. Rebills are huge for people who make sales in the industry and if people who actually make sales thought that was the solution your point would be proven by people moving over to it.

                                                                                                                            What difference is it who i am, if its obvious to everyone here that I am right and you are wrong?
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                                                                                                                              • FightThisPatent
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                                                                                                                                • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                • 4090
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                They aren't just going to accept now you only get to see it as long as your paying for it.
                                                                                                                                i think sites like videobox.com and the like that use flash-based video would disagree with you

                                                                                                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                Now Sticky is starting from nothing so that's the way he does it great for him. Im not starting from zero and there more sites in my niche that you can download the video than not.
                                                                                                                                which goes to the point of my post "know thy customer". if your customer is demanding downlaodable video, then u have to give it to them.

                                                                                                                                youtube and the rest of the tube sites all use flash.. so porn consumers are learning that flash is ok, since you can watch video right away without download.

                                                                                                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                Also whats not spoken about you want to do only flash and you have more than 5 members. You need some heavy duty server power.
                                                                                                                                that depends on how you are setup.

                                                                                                                                if you are just streaming .FLV files through apache, then there is a loading issue.. but that's not different than people who are streaming .WMV files through apache.

                                                                                                                                for higher throughput, you would use windows media server for .WMV, and use Flash server (or wowza, red5, etc) for .FLV that are tuned to handle high volumes

                                                                                                                                For those with high b/w issues, check out MojoHost.. great b/w pricing and solutions for flash streaming.


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                                                                                                                                  • FightThisPatent
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                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2003
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                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    For those that haven't checked out videobox.com they offer WMV and Flash streaming (as well as some other formats). ElevatedX CMS does the multi-conversions in it and i have seen other sites do the same with multi-formats (that includes flash streaming and downloadable)

                                                                                                                                    Videobox lets you watch 3 streams for free.. and what a kickass flash player they have with the timeline thumbnails so you can see whats coming up.

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                                                                                                                                      • V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                        Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 32449
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        I make more than most and none of my sites has an alexa rank under 150,000...

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                                                                                                                                          • tony299
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                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 57021
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by FightThisPatent
                                                                                                                                            i think sites like videobox.com and the like that use flash-based video would disagree with you
                                                                                                                                            But I think clips4sale would agree with me.
                                                                                                                                            Last edited by tony286; 07-08-2008, 12:52 PM.

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                                                                                                                                              • notoldschool
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                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                But I think clips4sale would agree with me.
                                                                                                                                                Good one.

                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                                I make more than most and none of my sites has an alexa rank under 150,000...
                                                                                                                                                Then you are not selling paysite memberships.
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                                                                                                                                                  • FightThisPatent
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                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                    • 4090
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                    But I think clips4sale would agree with me.
                                                                                                                                                    their business model is based on selling a video clip that you can play on your computer, like someone who buys a physical dvd.

                                                                                                                                                    can u name one site that sells an individual flash clip? i think not....

                                                                                                                                                    putting aside your bad example.... if a business, like yours, needs to have downloadable video, then that is what you do. other businesses can run hybrid that has both, and others do strictly flash.

                                                                                                                                                    i didn't say all sites had to be flash.. i said it was the "rage".. because many people are adopting flash video, whether exclusively or as an additional medium.

                                                                                                                                                    every business is different.... some make the mistake that if it works great for them, then that's the only way to do things... or vice versa.... there is no black and white, and the benefit that I have is being able to talk to many different companies to see how many are doing things to gain my observations.

                                                                                                                                                    So i don't need to run an actual porn site to be able to talk about porn sites as you keep trying to throw back in my face.

                                                                                                                                                    When I post up, I am sharing my observations that span across many companies and many years of observations.

                                                                                                                                                    Anyone here that offers both streaming flash and downloadable WMV that can provide some stats as to what percentage is doing better? Click/download stats may show that people are watching the flash video for previewing the clips and then downloading the WMV to save ... i bet the consumers are liking this approach, as it saves them lots of time from having to download the full clip.

                                                                                                                                                    Thumbnail previews like the videobox player are very nice for user satisfaction since you know where to fast forward to .. instead of just moving the marker over and maybe missing something.

                                                                                                                                                    for those that use .WMV streaming that don't allow for fast forward.. that's gotta be frustrating for the members...

                                                                                                                                                    I see alot of things done by sites that just aren't helping the member's experience. Its all about getting the rebills.. which is important, but to get the rebill you have to provide fresh content, ease of use, and value for the money spent. Those playing the numbers game are few and far between..


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                                                                                                                                                      • tony299
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                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by FightThisPatent
                                                                                                                                                        their business model is based on selling a video clip that you can play on your computer, like someone who buys a physical dvd.

                                                                                                                                                        can u name one site that sells an individual flash clip? i think not....

                                                                                                                                                        putting aside your bad example.... if a business, like yours, needs to have downloadable video, then that is what you do. other businesses can run hybrid that has both, and others do strictly flash.

                                                                                                                                                        i didn't say all sites had to be flash.. i said it was the "rage".. because many people are adopting flash video, whether exclusively or as an additional medium.

                                                                                                                                                        every business is different.... some make the mistake that if it works great for them, then that's the only way to do things... or vice versa.... there is no black and white, and the benefit that I have is being able to talk to many different companies to see how many are doing things to gain my observations.

                                                                                                                                                        So i don't need to run an actual porn site to be able to talk about porn sites as you keep trying to throw back in my face.

                                                                                                                                                        When I post up, I am sharing my observations that span across many companies and many years of observations.

                                                                                                                                                        Anyone here that offers both streaming flash and downloadable WMV that can provide some stats as to what percentage is doing better? Click/download stats may show that people are watching the flash video for previewing the clips and then downloading the WMV to save ... i bet the consumers are liking this approach, as it saves them lots of time from having to download the full clip.

                                                                                                                                                        Thumbnail previews like the videobox player are very nice for user satisfaction since you know where to fast forward to .. instead of just moving the marker over and maybe missing something.

                                                                                                                                                        for those that use .WMV streaming that don't allow for fast forward.. that's gotta be frustrating for the members...

                                                                                                                                                        I see alot of things done by sites that just aren't helping the member's experience. Its all about getting the rebills.. which is important, but to get the rebill you have to provide fresh content, ease of use, and value for the money spent. Those playing the numbers game are few and far between..


                                                                                                                                                        Fight the customer!
                                                                                                                                                        please show me in this thread where I questioned the value of your opinion? Show me in 2008 where I said that? But I do find funny what guys who have experience their opinions are disguarded but if someones lack of experience is bought up its like not playing fair. lol

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                                                                                                                                                          • FightThisPatent
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                            • 4090
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                            But I do find funny what guys who have experience their opinions are disguarded but if someones lack of experience is bought up its like not playing fair. lol
                                                                                                                                                            i hear ya... what works for some people may not work for others.. i see the big mistake ppl are making that just because they are successful, they can tell others how to do things.

                                                                                                                                                            luck has a huge factor for many ppl's success. so i am weary of anyone shooting from the lip


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                                                                                                                                                              • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                                                                                                • 24984
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                                To each his own Right to go thru the great expense to do it right.Its not worth it currently to me also would rather use the dollars to book shoots.Not one customer to date has asked me for flash but I still do get the guy on win 3.1 or the box too old to watch videos or webtv.
                                                                                                                                                                Tony Ill wave any fee to help you get it going, and its not nearly as expensive as you think for the cdn. Hell Ill even help you encode to h264. You know Im a good guy. Just let me know. Phase it in slowly. Add a new section and put all streaming there. Slowly phase out downloads as you go.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • tony299
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                                                                                    Tony Ill wave any fee to help you get it going, and its not nearly as expensive as you think for the cdn. Hell Ill even help you encode to h264. You know Im a good guy. Just let me know. Phase it in slowly. Add a new section and put all streaming there. Slowly phase out downloads as you go.
                                                                                                                                                                    I know you're a good guy, even though you sometimes annoy the shit out of me. lol When we meet in Atl lets talk.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                                                                                                                        Ok brain, riddle me this. It takes less than a minute to download a full length high quality video with DSL or Cable ISP's, so what is fiber optic going to change?

                                                                                                                                                                        You stating that members dont want to download is foolish and quite the ignorant statement. People that own programs or have sites that do 100+ sales a week know the shit your talking proves how green you are. Nobody needs to change over their whole biz model because some scums want to give away movies for free. If you knew a thing about collectors you would know that STREAMING Blows. Rebills are huge for people who make sales in the industry and if people who actually make sales thought that was the solution your point would be proven by people moving over to it.

                                                                                                                                                                        What difference is it who i am, if its obvious to everyone here that I am right and you are wrong?
                                                                                                                                                                        Less than a minute? Are you still selling 320x240 video downloads? The industry is swinging towards a larger format of video. I do 480p and 720p streaming in our members areas. Id love to see someone download a 25 minute scene at 1280x720 res which a .wmv would be quite large in 1 minute (using a VC1 coded would help that, but still would be quite large). Are you sure you have a paysite or anysites? You talk and talk, but show 0 proof. Or do you still segment your vids into 3 minute clips at 320x240 like they did back in 1999 and 2000?

                                                                                                                                                                        Listen if you are going to cite experience, then back it up. Otherwise you have no dog in this fight.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • notoldschool
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                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                                                                                            Less than a minute? Are you still selling 320x240 video downloads? The industry is swinging towards a larger format of video. I do 480p and 720p streaming in our members areas. Id love to see someone download a 25 minute scene at 1280x720 res which a .wmv would be quite large in 1 minute (using a VC1 coded would help that, but still would be quite large). Are you sure you have a paysite or anysites? You talk and talk, but show 0 proof. Or do you still segment your vids into 3 minute clips at 320x240 like they did back in 1999 and 2000?

                                                                                                                                                                            Listen if you are going to cite experience, then back it up. Otherwise you have no dog in this fight.
                                                                                                                                                                            LOL @ the Newb.
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                                                                                                                                                                              • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                                                I know you're a good guy, even though you sometimes annoy the shit out of me. lol When we meet in Atl lets talk.
                                                                                                                                                                                You know we will hehe.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                                                                                                                                    LOL @ the Newb.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Again put up what your program or sites are, or gtfo.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Ok can ANYONE here attest for the experience of NotOldSchool? Anyone care to step forward?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                                                                                                                                        Ok brain, riddle me this. It takes less than a minute to download a full length high quality video with DSL or Cable ISP's, so what is fiber optic going to change?
                                                                                                                                                                                        Ok just went to Videobox I am downloading a 21 minute long scene at 640x480 .wmv at over 600KB/sec How long do you think it will take?

                                                                                                                                                                                        Been running 3 minutes so far and says 15 minute remaining. I am still currently in the minority with how fast my speed is. Im taking all they can send me and its going to take 18 to 20 minutes to finish. Now I can sit here with my pecker in my hand waiting OR I can use their Flash 3 media server and start watching withing say 2 seconds, scrub anywhere in the video and watch whenever I want. Use Frame preview and find the part I want to see. In the meantime I probably will only use up maybe 50 to 100MB of their bandwidth rather than 604MB. H264 will cut that size in half. Instant action. This is a no brainer.

                                                                                                                                                                                        VIDEOBOX.COM do any of you post here? Please give us some stats on streaming vs download percentages. Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Socks
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • May 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            I think the truth is that while not offering downloads would hurt business, sales, and rebills, having the stuff to download may not even be used, but is nice to have if you wanted to do that.

                                                                                                                                                                                            When you take something away or don't offer it, that just adds negative skew to their opinion, which helps form the decision to buy or move on.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jakez
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                                                                                                                                                                                                Enjoying the debate on whether or not offering downloads is a good thing. I think it would be better to just have streaming content but it's a little late for that path.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Another bad thing about allowing downloads: let's say you have a $1.00 3 day trial on your paysite. Someone can signup and download as much as possible in 3 days and wank it for the next few months or whatever. So some people are not just giving away ALL their content for the $30/mo fee, they're giving it away for $1.00!! Not to mention the $20-$50 (or :gasp: $100 promo) you sent an affiliate for that $1 trial
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Jakez
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Enjoying the debate on whether or not offering downloads is a good thing. I think it would be better to just have streaming content but it's a little late for that path.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Another bad thing about allowing downloads: let's say you have a $1.00 3 day trial on your paysite. Someone can signup and download as much as possible in 3 days and wank it for the next few months or whatever. So some people are not just giving away ALL their content for the $30/mo fee, they're giving it away for $1.00!! Not to mention the $20-$50 (or :gasp: $100 promo) you sent an affiliate for that $1 trial
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yup I agree totally, and have brought up the trials in the past. Some do limit the content they can download, but overall they do not.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • FightThisPatent
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Jakez
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Another bad thing about allowing downloads: let's say you have a $1.00 3 day trial on your paysite. Someone can signup and download as much as possible in 3 days and wank it for the next few months or whatever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        some programs are offering limited access for the trial period.. where you can access limited number of videos/photos per section.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        requires some backend programming and such for this, but makes sense, rather than offering your whole site for such a small amount.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        the whole of a trial, is for someone to see that there really is good stuff inside, beyond what the tour says.



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