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They hate us because we fuck with their land, governments, and people. Go all the way back to when we overthrew a democratic government over there and put the Shah of Iran in place. How we have bombed the living shit out of them for decades, built bases, overthrown governments. Blindly supported Israel at every turn.
And radical Islamists aren't much different than radical Christians. The biggest difference is that we control our fucking crazies while they can't. Ann Coulter is the one that said we should topple the Middle East and convert them all to Christianity. Not much different than what Bin Laden says.
So yes, they have a lot of fucked up people there. We have a lot of fucked up people here. They hate us because we fuck with their country. Read some history books. This goes much deeper than what Rush Limbaugh told you to believe yesterday.Comment
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so people who arent americans don't have any rights and don't deserve rights..? umm i dont think the rest of america agrees with you.
Besides i have seen no evidence they are even combatants.
what risk ? i want them to be tried before a court and punished if they did something illegal. where is the risk in that ?
sure torture away , once they have been found guilty and we decide that is their punishment.
so if the fbi had info that a blonde guy was a threat to our country you would agree with ANY means to protect our country including killing every blonde person on earth ?
so what you really meant to say is you dont agree with "any means"
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Not at all. It is a statement that tells Americans to reject gambling, sex, homosexuality, and drugs. To not use women as sex symbols. To not seperate religion from political beliefs. I can find similar statements in the writings of just about every single evangelical leader in this country today. I can also find it in the writings of many conservative politicians in this country.
Bin Laden is a fucking nutcase, but he doesn't want to blow us up because we gamble. He hates us for our presence in Saudi Arabia. Our support for Israel. Our meddling in the business of the Mujahideen.
Seriously, pick up a book on the guy. Learn why he hates us.Comment
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i wasnt aware bin laden was their leader, oh yah he isn't
would you think it fair other countries kidnap and torture americans because of things pat robertson says because he is christian and most americans are christian ?
so you must know each of them or have spoken to each of them personally , or are you just assuming so. ? Thats what i thought. So infact if you throw anyone in gitmo right now you would just naturally assume thery love bin laden and agree with everything he says. So if iran kidnapped you we should assume you agree with everything pat robertson says and should let them torture you ?hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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The rights you speak of, aren't just American rights. We follow the Geneva convention as a Nation due to the torture of our own solders. We have Military Law, which isn't being followed. And as a Country, we have laws that aren't being followed.
No national security, just follow the law that other countries with terrorists are following.
What risk? They knew what some did, others told them, all of them want to die. And out of that mixture, several were falsely accused, snatched from foreign lands not controlled by the U.S. and taken to hell. Logic would tell me, this adds to the risk.
Just think if someone snatched your family member, you have no idea.. You all assume they got kidnapped or died, something - no answers. Then 2-3 years they show up, and tell you that the neighbor across the street has kept you locked up, they beat them, starved them, said it was prison, for things they didn't do.... how would you feel about that neighbor? If you believe in torture, I'm sure death to this guy wouldn't be a second thought.
They aren't helping our country by doing this. It would be totally different if these people had stood trial already. But since they don't want to play by the rules, our people will force it.
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smokey, do you know where these detainees are coming from? we arent picking off random muslims off the street.
you can make up hypotheticals, but this is reality...
is it fair that 3000 people had to die for no reason on 9/11 because islamic terrorists made a choice to invade this country and kill our citizens.
were they thinking about our human rights or a court of law when they decided to murder our fellow citizens in cold blood.
i would rather kick ass now and take names later...
anyone detained at gitmo would jump at the chance to slit our throats the second we let them out.
they are terrorists or associated with terrorism otherwise they wouldnt be there.
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this is not a conventional war. they arent playing by the rules. things change. these arent our citizens, these are our foreign enemies.
we as a nation have a duty to protect OUR CITIZENS first.. no matter the cost.
if we lose sight of this, we will fail as a nation.
survival of the fittest. alliances merely to survive.
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Yeah, I don't get it. I don't particularly like you, at all, but I thought it was pretty obvious you were in favor of the ruling and just went up a small +1 in my book. You do have some sense, which is a fraction of what I had previously believed.
You've won me over to now reading some of your threads with the tiniest modicum of support and credibility.
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That's fine. But your argument is that the reason this decision is bad is because terrorists may get off on a technicality. You are essentially saying that you don't have a problem with citizen murderers getting off, but you do with non-citizen murderers. Interesting thought process.Comment
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Um... The issue is way more complex than that. Add to what the CIA calls "blowback" for things WE have done.
Have you seen rich Arab culture? Take a look at Dubai for the most extravagent example. They are still very religious, but its probably one of the most extravagent places on earth.
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whats your point. mistaken identity. happens every day. you know how many innocent people are incarcerated and are arrested every day who are not guillty.
there are flaws in any system. nothing is perfect.
this is war, things are different. you can kill someone in a war, you cannot kill someone in the streets as a citizen.
just the way it is.
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No alot of them are in there because the us government was paying a finders fee and people took advantage of it and turned all kinds of people that did nothing. They have solved nothing, I will ask you again bin laden killed 3000 americans and he still hasnt been caught and you give the president a free pass on that. That's funny.Comment
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You know, since security of our nation is such an issue for you, why not join the Military, show how much you really support the nation by going out, and fighting terrorism on the front lines. Step up, and protect the country, it needs you more than ever!
The prisoners were found innocent, no associations... not even tracked anymore. That's a little more than a bit of mistaken identity. All that could have been cleared up if they just had a trial. Which is what the fuss is all about. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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its funny u all care more about the freedoms of suspected terrorists than the inevitablity of more americans being killed
i ask you this.. how would you feeel if a terrorist appealed his detention and was released, regrouped and killed hundreds of americans
is this not a possibility?
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a trial, so they must be found guilty without a reasonable doubt.. when proving an intent to commit a terrorist act is a hard thing to prove.
so you want to clog up our legal system with hard lengthy unwinnable cases and let suspected terrorists go free and regroup to plan attacks on our country.....
this might not be the case for EVERY detainee, but i would be willing to bet its a strong majority...
its like going to the airport.. and having to take off your shoes. if it will help prevent a terrorist act, i am willing to go along with it.
if the government needs to do things to protect this nation that i might not agree with.. fuck it, they are doing it for the best interest of this country and its security..
if someone turned you in for money and said you are a terrorist and you are not, too bad for you for chosing bad friends..
guilt by association. if you get caught in the cycle, deal with it.i would rather see every fantatic islamic nutjob on the planet locked up in gitmo and prove their innocence before losing one american life in a terrorist attack.Looking to speak w/ high volume nutra CPA affiliates or networks... msg meComment
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If they would have done it from the start, they would have been able to have a military trial. You should read up and learn what's really going on, again.
Our Gov is telling YOU that this is the wrong way to protect the nation. You are either for what they think is good for our protection or not. This is what you are saying to me, and the Gov is telling you that it's wrong.
And this isn't guilt by association. It's your name being pulled from a random hat. These people, they were like you and me, working guys, families, and for reasons unknown them, they got taken away. Now, don't you think the global impact of that is a larger threat to our nation? Those 100's of innocent people, create 1000's or more of legitimate U.S. haters.
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Wow. That is all I can say.
If you continue to assume that by killing people you can stop them from trying to kill you then you will eventually end up in a situation where the violence never ends.
Let me ask you thins. I asked it earlier the thread but that guy never responded.
Say you work for a large international company and they have a manufacturing plant in Malaysia. You get sent over there for a few weeks to do some work. One night a couple of the guys you work with invite you to go to dinner with them and some of their friends. You go and have a good time. On the way out of the restaurant you and the entire group are arrested. It appears that one of your co-workers friends is a suspected terrorist. You have never met the guy until that night and know nothing about him. But you were with him so you are considered a suspect and you are held.
Should they be allowed to hold you indefinitely and torture you at will even though they have zero proof or evidence that you are involved with this guy in any way?Comment
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Did you know their families were friends ... and still might be?Originally posted by robfantasy
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and...The trial of several CIA and Italian intelligence officers is set to begin Friday in Italy. Prosecutors say the officers kidnapped an Islamic cleric in Milan and transported him to Egypt, where he said he was tortured. This is the first trial associated with the CIA's policy of "extraordinary rendition." All 26 American defendants will be tried in absentia.
I hope one day you get mistakened for another idiot, flown to a ship, waterboarded, tortured then drop off in the middle of nowhere ...The CIA has declined all comment on the case, but German Chancellor Angela Merkel last year asserted that US officials had admitted to her government that el-Masri had been seized by mistake. In June 2006, a report by the Council of Europe concluded that el-Masri's account of his ordeal was substantially accurate.
THis administration has not cast a shadow over your country, it just plainly stained it behond repair.I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
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That a supreme court justice writing in his dissenting opinion would actually state that he believes the courts majority opinion will cause people to die is greatly disturbing.
Why do we give these people lifetime appointments? Can divisive jerkoff's like Scalia be "fired" and kicked off for being mentally unstable?43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
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.. and i'll have some of those freedom fries with that
I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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