Should the US be energy independent?

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  • Tempest
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • May 2004
    • 10217

    #1

    Should the US be energy independent?

    Consider that if the US isn't buying up middle east oil, China, and to some extent Russia, will. That will fuel their growth even more than it is now which will make them a more serious threat sooner rather than later. From a national security standpoint, I can see where the "hawks" would want troops in the middle east and also to continue the US dependence on middle east oil.
  • IllTestYourGirls
    Ah My Balls
    • Feb 2007
    • 14311

    #2
    yes we should and can be.

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    • Socks
      Confirmed User
      • May 2002
      • 8475

      #3
      The rest of the world votes: Yes.

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      • Sly
        Let's do some business!
        • Sep 2004
        • 31379

        #4
        Why would Russia be buying up the oil if the United States did not?

        But to answer your question... to some extent, absolutely.
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        • directfiesta
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Oct 2002
          • 30176

          #5
          Originally posted by Tempest
          ... which will make them a more serious threat sooner rather than later.
          amazing how many " threats " the USA faces ....
          I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

          But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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          • IllTestYourGirls
            Ah My Balls
            • Feb 2007
            • 14311

            #6
            Originally posted by directfiesta
            amazing how many " threats " the USA faces ....
            I wonder if its a product of interventionalism or an excuse for or both?

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            • Tempest
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • May 2004
              • 10217

              #7
              Originally posted by directfiesta
              amazing how many " threats " the USA faces ....
              How many threats did England face when they were on top? Or Rome? It's the nature of things?

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              • jalami
                Confirmed User
                • May 2004
                • 845

                #8
                Originally posted by Tempest
                Consider that if the US isn't buying up middle east oil, China, and to some extent Russia, will. That will fuel their growth even more than it is now which will make them a more serious threat sooner rather than later. From a national security standpoint, I can see where the "hawks" would want troops in the middle east and also to continue the US dependence on middle east oil.
                I see where you are getting at. But if the US started exploiting local sources of energy (local unconventional oil resources, nuclear etc) and was able to locally produce the same amount of energy they are importing now, what they would do is STILL import oil AND use what they're producing locally. Nothing will stop an open, growth-based economy from taking every resource it can get its hands on. If there were twice as much oil available and prices dropped to $1/gallon the car companies would make more big land-boat V8s again, Hummer's sales would go sky-high, and so on.
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                • pr0
                  rockin tha trailerpark
                  • May 2001
                  • 23088

                  #9
                  threat? we all have nukes...

                  there are only 2 options....peace or mutually assured destruction

                  that is until we have a wicked missile defense system that shoots 100%
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                  • dav3
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2007
                    • 7348

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Tempest
                    Should the US be energy independent?
                    Fuck yea!

                    Only a fool would think it's a good idea to depend on other countries for anything.
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                    • dready
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 5247

                      #11
                      I think some hawks as you say probably do see it that way, but in my opinion, it would make far greater strategic sense to evolve beyond it, so that you are more prepared when the resource does run out.
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                      • Gnus
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 577

                        #12
                        We need to stop playing big brother to other countries and start worrying about things at home. Our infrastructure is going to hell, economy is going to hell, and we are so far in debt it's unreal. Yes we need to be self sufficient in regards to energy plus the products we use and stop relying on other countries.

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                        • Vick!
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                          • Nov 2005
                          • 6882

                          #13
                          Originally posted by pr0
                          threat? we all have nukes...

                          there are only 2 options....peace or mutually assured destruction
                          Thats why I say handover a couple nukes to every country in middle east. Lets either enjoy eternal peace, or live without them.
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                          • Azoy?
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 2178

                            #14
                            Russia will not buy oil. They would sell it and are selling it.
                            In fact Russian natural gas is what most of Europe is running on.

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                            • tony299
                              lurker
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 57021

                              #15
                              we should be independent

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                              • brandonstills
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2007
                                • 1964

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Azoy?
                                Russia will not buy oil. They would sell it and are selling it.
                                In fact Russian natural gas is what most of Europe is running on.
                                Natural gas was so cheap when I was over in Russia. Russians would turn the stoves on and use them as a heater.

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                                • payd2purv
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Jan 2008
                                  • 2727

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Tempest
                                  Consider that if the US isn't buying up middle east oil, China, and to some extent Russia, will. That will fuel their growth even more than it is now which will make them a more serious threat sooner rather than later. From a national security standpoint, I can see where the "hawks" would want troops in the middle east and also to continue the US dependence on middle east oil.
                                  Holy fuck yes.

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