OMG, as a mom, that makes me want to vomit. Why in the hell did i click that link, I had no idea it would look that real or that sick 
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The law says 18 years or older. If you are too retarded to see the subtlety, you must be the first to bitch about new stricter laws that close the gap on our freedom years after years, especially in USA. Patriot Act III?if its legal... its legal
Why do people always feels a need to pass judgement on other people?
Thats what we have law for
just like you dont like that site... some people dont feel the exact same way about all porn... some people feel all porn is sick and discusting
stop trying to fucking be the moral police and worry about your own biz"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. ThompsonComment
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i think the problem is some people don't agree that the pictures are " obviously meant to portray children". Most of the girls look over 18 to be honest , there are def some questionable ones but even those ones i would find it hard to charge they were intentionally making them look underage.The fact that people on this board are sitting here defending pictures that are obviously meant to portray children having sex is simply astounding.
It isn't drawing a line or comparing it to people who want all porn banned. It is child porn. I don't think there is much else to say here
I'm pretty sure in canada some of those might be considered illegal , but it's hard to say , it all has to do with if whomever is judging the pictures figures it is simulated cp
I started a thread the other day about westboro baptist church the other day and the fact directnic is their registrar , basically asking what people thought about it. Most people generally agreed it is up to the courts to enforce laws not registrars, and were talking REAL victims here not simulated drawings. I would think most people would generally feel the same way about processing.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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anyone has anything to say about toons from The Simpsons or Family Guy fucking?Comment
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Seems like this is being blown a tad bit out of proportion, and I don't even like these 3D sites. Most of the chicks look over 18 to me. And to slam on sites like this when there are real sites out there that feature girls who look way young doing all sorts of hardcore shit seems a bit... off.Comment
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Just the fact you did not click the link and can't see the technology advancement that will results in better, easier content like that in the future gets beyond me.I don't know of a link to that Supreme Court ruling. I saw it on the news when it happened. I agreed with it. No, I don't agree with screwing kids...but I did agree that once you made drawing children naked illegal and/or writing words about having sex with them..you'd pretty much have to raid the Vatican to destroy classical statues and architecture, and then burn about 3/4 of classic literature.
I didn't look at that link but for a split second...like I said, it's not my thing. But it was just cartoons right? Guys, you can't make what people think illegal, and you can't make what somebody draws on a piece of paper or creates digitally (the moden equivalent) illegal. If you do, you're just handing over the last tiny bits of your freedom to the govt. If you think it's disgusting then don't look at it and don't spend money on it. And hell, don't promote it. Who the fuck knows? Maybe some sick pedo will use that as jack material instead of living out his sick fantasies?
But I'm pretty sure from what I've read that pedo's have no interest in cartoons or even bitches in their 20's dressed up like kids.
I'm also pretty sure they don't spend a whole lot of time on porn sites too.
I have nothing to back any of that up. But from everything I've ever read about them, they seem to be more interested in reality as opposed to virtual stuff, and only use computers to meet real victims in chat rooms and such.
I don't know how far things may or may not go with cartoons depicting shit like that. But then again, I don't really care. I take care of my kids and monitor them carefully. There were plenty of pedos 40 years ago when I was a kid and my parents watched over me carefully too.
Legally, I don't know what that may or may not lead to. I assume that the Supreme Court has spoken for now. Maybe they'll change their minds later. Since I like women in their mid 20's and up, with big titties and big round asses...I guess it's a non-issue what people do about cartoons.
I even wonder if a real CP site has even ever existed that made money? I'm clueless on that one. Hasn't that shit pretty much always existed sort of underground in secret societal circles? I'm unaware that it's ever been a "for profit" thing.
But I could be way off-base.
That's why I don't think they have ever found a true CP person in this industry. Well, that and the fact that we'd all get together and do it the right way...no govt. needed. Just a ride out to the desert.
That shit is currently promoted on the biggests TGP/MPG with CCBill.com as the processor. If nobody cares and wait until the justice or the general public to do something about it, more galleries like that, plus the "amateur-half-naked-no-2257-available" that are also borderline. I really don't like the direction this industry is taking.
Anyway, I think more and more webmasters in this industry are disconnected from the reality."There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. ThompsonComment
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Deliberately creating animation that looks like kids performing sexual acts is wrong and should be illegal in my worthless opinion.
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Good to know. United Kingdom people must be brighter than some people on this forum. It kills me to read stupid replies based on laws. I'm pro-freedom and hate to be policed. My whole life is based on freedom. I will fight for my rights until I'm dead... and have no problem with most libertine people.
BUT I have my moral, ethics and can tell if something is right or wrong by myself without the opinion of the government or the fucking laws. In this case, I believe it is our responsibility to not encourage these things, as webmaster of this industry, community or whatever you want to call it."There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. ThompsonComment
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This is a good example of idiocy. Even my red fish would be able to tell the difference... retard."There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. ThompsonComment
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"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. ThompsonComment
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Honestly John, I think it's the saddest thing. I would not even imagine so many people trying to defend this.The fact that people on this board are sitting here defending pictures that are obviously meant to portray children having sex is simply astounding.
It isn't drawing a line or comparing it to people who want all porn banned. It is child porn. I don't think there is much else to say here
I don't really visit forums anymore since 2000-2001, but I'm upset about reactions."There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. ThompsonComment
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and then...
theres a big difference in your eyes. isnt under 18 illegal? ive seen some schoolgirl shit that looks YOUNG (12) which was their intention and my point for bring it up. you talk about banning these anime pics because they intend it to look like a young girl when thats exactly what the schoolgirl people are going for. HAIRLESS(shaven) petite girls with NO TITS and braces. at what age does the average kid get braces? senior year of hs?
these are schoolgirls who btw are either shot in a primany school classroom or a pink "kiddie" bed getting a visit from uncle charlie. you just dont think its wrong because they have 2257 stamped on the page so you know no child was exploited and no real crime took place. in the end, if its wrong for 3d nerds to go for the young teen look (under 18=ILLEGAL), it should also be wrong when programs pick and pay models in hopes of achieving the same look.
how old does this girl look to you? click threw and you'll hear about how "daddy's got a secret." awesome toy blocks on that template btw! ccbill?
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Try to post a virtual 3D muslim girl with a nipple on a public board in any muslim country and people will run after you, not the government.
Child porn is already illegal in USA. And who cares if it was legal? Is it legal to you?
Should we legalize beastiality because it's legal in 2-3 countries?
Can we have our own standards without having to wait until the U.S. Justice that is ran by a bunch of... humans?
I figure in a few years you won't even be able to tell the difference between reality and fiction. Little girls will be fucked in Flash format on MGP and Tube sites and it will be okay because it will be written "even if it looks 100% real, these pictures are virtual. No 2267 required".
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I completely agree with you regarding this... both are wrong to me, but most of the "schoolgirls" out there are not looking like her. At some point, the audience understands the theatral aspect of the scene. The babysitter series has 1-2 "borderline" models but you can clearly see they are legal in outfits. Still, I know a few TGP/MPG that refuse to list the babysitter series. This is what I'm talking about about to NOT SUPPORT this. If the intention is to sell to CP audience, legal or not, it should not be supported from inside the community, starting with private CC processors, MPG/TGP, etc.HAIRLESS(shaven) petite girls with NO TITS and braces. at what age does the average kid get braces? senior year of hs? these are schoolgirls who btw are either shot in a primany school classroom or a pink "kiddie" bed getting a visit from uncle charlie. you just dont think its wrong because they have 2257 stamped on the page so you know no child was exploited and no real crime took place. in the end, if its wrong for 3d nerds to go for the young teen look (under 18=ILLEGAL), it should also be wrong when programs pick and pay models in hopes of achieving the same look.
how old does this girl look to you? click threw and you'll hear about how "daddy's got a secret." awesome toy blocks on that template btw! ccbill?
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A don't remember the name of a sponsor... but they had 15-16 years old looking girls. 2257 legal. I don't support this, but I believe the 15-16 is not what the pedo people are looking into. It is the 5-12 of age... which is easily done via 3D models.Last edited by the indigo; 06-08-2008, 11:17 PM."There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. ThompsonComment
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The short of it: It's obviously catering to pedophiles.
The long of it: It's computer rendered, and hence, not technically pedophilia.
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Maybe because I see the big picture and especially the psychological aspect on our culture the population.
I have read 2 weeks ago in the newspapers that they started creating toon films for children (4-6 years old) with girls of the same age holding cell phones in Britney Spears outfits. Where the fuck are we going?
Then we wonder why they all need psychological assistance by age of 10 and fucked the first time at 8 years old in a child-gangbang."There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. ThompsonComment
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so is 1-2 "borderline" models OK? how much of the site this thread was started about features the underage 3d model you're talking about? 1 in 20? you say we shouldnt support this at all but many who posted outrage IN THIS THREAD push sponsors who have sites like that. should we just stop pushing everyone because at some point they use a model that someone might consider to look underage? is that the line now? is it right what they're going for? no. should it be against the law to DRAW A FUCKING PICTURE? NO. laws are created TO PROTECT PEOPLE, not limit their freedom because someone might get offending. obscene = offensive. MANY people are offended when they see any girl, 18 or not, getting gangbanged by 10 black dudes with horse cocks. should we ban that? using your standard, this could be possible. you wouldnt like it, but it would eventually happen. and why do you keep saying 15+ is ok to fantasize about? Id be willing to BET 80% of this country would disagree with you meaning when you're in court for pushing a girl who LOOKS 15 but was actually 21, the jury of your "peers" can look to the LAW and determine that 18 is the age that you're allowed to lust over. 15 is too young and you're going to JAIL. stop seeking laws (limits on freedom) when victims are non-existant.
so you want to put people in jail because of what it MIGHT do to the community? dont some already argue that porn ruins marriages giving men an impossible expectation from their partner? lets ban porn too. or is an argument against banning porn that men have to SEEK THIS MATERIAL OUT making it their decision rather then something pushed on them. stop thinking that your limits = the right limits. once we relinquish this freedom of speech/expression the hammer will fall and the limits will be set by those IN CHARGE WHO ALREADY HATE PORN. if plain vanilla porn, IF ANY, is your thing, keep on with your message that something created without a victim must be censored.
ps, what does the big picture YOU see have to do with the topic at hand? is the site you're complaining about marketing to children? how will these 3d models influence the lives of children?333-765-551Comment
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Not to burst your bubble but bestiality is still federally legal in the US and is still legal is many states. That is a different topic though.
People need to be able to hold onto two separate trains of thought in these types of arguments.
One side needs to follow through with the idea of policing thought crimes that have not victims. Again no different then me using very high end special effects to kill a person. It is not real, it can be catering to sick people, there is no victim, and of course killing someone is indeed a existing crime. This is a slope that nobody should be allowed to slip down. (btw tony404 I spoke out against the obscenity text stories as a FYI, even though they were revolting).
On the other side of the argument is taking the moral and ethical stance to shun and not allow such material near your sites or your traffic. Just like most of us already do in regards to bestiality, despite its legality.
For some they may not see how this is possible but one can take both stances. Otherwise where do we draw these lines and who draws them. What fake crimes shall be legal and what ones shall not.Comment
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i give up. im tired of defending max hc and this 3d model site from you people. i figured people who claim to be in the porn industry would have a little more common sense and see that banning what THEY consider offensive is what the people ATTACKING ALL PORN are doing. They think they're doing whats best for everyone by attacking everything that offends them, even when NO VICTIM EXISTS. Gay Porn = offensive to MANY. Why is your line rational and good and theirs irrational? im sure there are more who would agree that Gay Porn is obscene then not so who gets to decide? Them or you? Everyone thinks their line in the sand is where the line should be but dont realize the laws protecting speech where put in place so one group couldnt censor the other. so one group couldnt say, "how dare you say that about Muhammad. you're going to jail for offending US." i guess ill go back to lurking, reading the "spam me with X sites" threads looking for new sponsors to push.
keep rationalizing your own destruction you narcissistic fucks. ill be watching.
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all I can do is shake my head...
morons in this thread bitching, yet some of those same people promote teen content... if you were to draw that teen content it would look identical to some of what was linked to...
now, don't get me wrong... I don't promote lolicon or 3d lolicon stuff... I want no part of that... but I just think it's ironic to see people who are making money on very young looking girls here complaining about young looking 3d art...icq 236-802-704Comment
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You think the boy in this pic is supposed to be 18?
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Wow
First off All our models are built from ADULT meshes. Not one single image on our site is created from a child mesh. They are all of adult scale. Some of our models are youthful in appearance but still adult scale. When we do double sets both actors are of the same scale, what I mean by that is they are the same size, hieght ect. we do not make the girls half the size to make them look like children.
There are allot of 3d site that make obvious depictions of children having sex, both visually and in the description and text, We do not portray our models to be underage, we make it very clear they were drawn to be over 18. So to lump this site in with other cp sites is insulting. I like to be creative a draw a variety of girls, ranging in ages 18 to 28 ish
Out of the 340 sets I have on that site, there are maybe 3 to 4 sets that maybe ridding the line of youthfullness but they are still built from an adult mesh. Its all in the person viewing and how they precieve it to be. Thats the great thing about any type of artwork wether it be humonoid or landscape how it is precived is different by every viewerwww.shinydollars.com - Teen and FetishComment
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If you support banning virtual cp, then you support reduction in masturbation material for pedo's which may lead to increase in real child abuse.
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thats just the thing, It may be legal today by an asshair, but as soon as some attention is brought to it, it wont be, and at the same time it will be wrapped into the label of " Porn " and not " C P " and that is something that we need to get away from.if its legal... its legal
Why do people always feels a need to pass judgement on other people?
Thats what we have law for
just like you dont like that site... some people dont feel the exact same way about all porn... some people feel all porn is sick and discusting
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if its legal... its legal
Why do people always feels a need to pass judgement on other people?
Thats what we have law for
just like you dont like that site... some people dont feel the exact same way about all porn... some people feel all porn is sick and discusting
stop trying to fucking be the moral police and worry about your own biz
What he said.
+ the site is not that bad to me. I've seen real models looking that young and everybody here applausing and wanting to promote.
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You think the boy in this pic is supposed to be 18?
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This is just PLAIN WRONG... Reporting to ASACP now..
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The legal age of consent in a lot of states is 16. Just throwing that out there. People seem to think it's 18 for every state. It's not.
And people also throw around the term "pedo" too often. A pedo is somebody who lusts after prepubescent children.
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I'm going to hazard a pretty good guess that ASACP is concerned with real cp, where real children are really being abused. Not this faux fake fantasy shit that involves no real child at all and may or may not depict anything underage (depending on who's viewing it, obviously, as is evident in this thread).
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Seems pretty clear to me.. this is CP18 U.S.C. § 2252 prohibits the production, transportation, or knowing receipt or distribution of any visual depiction "of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." For the purposes of Title 18, 18 U.S.C. § 2256 defines a "minor" as any person under the age of eighteen years, and "sexually explicit conduct" as actual or simulatedComment
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In that snippet of US code that you quoted, "simulated" refers to the sexual conduct, not the depiction itself being simulated. In other words, that statute prohibits depicting a simulated sexual act with a real child, not depictions involving simulated humans.
It is also worth noting that nothing in court's ruling in FSC v. Ashcroft (the "virtual cp" case) prevents a prosecutor from indicting simulated cp as obscene material -- they just can't charge the producer/distributor with producing/distributing cp, because the material does not involve actual underage human beings.
If you can indict Karen Fletcher for obscenity in response to her writing and selling cp stories, you can indict an artist for obscenity in response to them creating and selling CP cartoons.
I'm not saying that the government necessarily *should* pursue such prosecutions, just that they *can* do so.Q. BoyerComment
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does this crap actually convert ? ... even if i was a potential client i would be scare to register my cc on a site like this.... it so close to CP that its look like a trap from the fbi to build a list of potential pedo.
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It may adhere to the letter of the law but it's definitely going against the spirit of it.Comment
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