Just in - Max hardcore GUILTY on all charges

wasnt his personal lawyer,I forget his name on the board of the fsc?

some of you people are so naive or far out on looney street it hurts - it's like you just were made aware that you live in a country with obscenity laws and can't believe it.

a middle aged man makes movies where he pees in the mouth of 18 year old girls dressed up to look 12 and forced to call him Mister over and over and you are shocked that this might be judged to be obscene by 12 citizens?

in this day and age where nearly every high school kid has seen 2girls1cup and filmed their friends and grandparents reactions to it and posted them on youtube, it seems strange that the courts would take such a regressive move

I doubt he'll be seeing any real hard time (maybe a couple of months in county, if that), but I guarantee you he'll have some hefty fines to pay. Very hefty. He'll be made an example of, for sure.

Hate it if you will, but everything has its limits... even the 1st amendment...
Just because something can be done or said doesn't mean it will follow that the 1st amendment protects one's right to do or say it.

Those that choose to push the envelop do nothing but put others in jeopardy without regard to future consequences, for the sake of the all might dollar.

Hate it if you will, but everything has its limits... even the 1st amendment...
Just because something can be done or said doesn't mean it will follow that the 1st amendment protects one's right to do or say it.

Those that choose to push the envelop do nothing but put others in jeopardy without regard to future consequences, for the sake of the all might dollar.

Tony404, post on page 2 was tits. Very nicely said sir.

Hate Max. Love Freedom. This sucks.

Wrong. Ever so wrong...

I didn't read this whole thread, sorry, but there's times where I'm so relieved to be Canadian...

Who the fuck and why on Earth would anyone in our business vote republican in the US?!?

I must be missing out on something here... I know the republicans are pro-business, and we're all about business... but the Christian Fundamentalists who've been running the GOP for 30 years now put the Bible above Bucks...

If Paul is going to jail, or paying huge "fines" for his shit (which, btw, I find completely gross and am not for) it's because of every idiot on GFY and in this business who voted for feeb-brain Bush jr.

Period. Assholes.

I was referring to an actual person or persons rather, stepping forward and complaining publicly about working with him. I've never seen anywhere where this has happened. Doesn't mean it hasn't, it means what I said... that I have never seen it.

Mere allegations and/or accusations mean very little to me.

IMO, The Prosecution/Judge/Jury/Verdict are all a major disgrace and an insult to America, freedom, and the Constitution!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope the case will be appealed.

I don't personally get sexually turn-on by the content involved in the case, but I support Max's Free Speech rights. I feel that the wrong decision was made today by this jury.

I wonder if the jurors were subjectively more concerned about getting home for supper than they were about an objective verdict, especially since just hours before they were reported as being deadlocked on many of the charges---I predict that we?ll later hear about some jurors ?caving in? to the pressure of the others who didn?t want to report for deliberations in the morning.

Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

This wil be appealed and should go all the way to the supreme court. You can NOT use "community standards" when applied to the WORLD WIDE web. That means some DA in some backwater in Alabama can take Hugh Hefner to court over playboy.com for "obscenity" because in his "community" Playboy is obscene.

Because of this:
".....found guilty of 10 federal counts of distributing obscene materials over the Internet..."

That is going to affect all of us.

How is it going to affect all of us? The issue regarding Max and his guilty verdict relate directly to obscenity charges. Unless you specialize in shooting obscene material then I don't see how it will affect you.

This wil be appealed and should go all the way to the supreme court. You can NOT use "community standards" when applied to the WORLD WIDE web. That means some DA in some backwater in Alabama can take Hugh Hefner to court over playboy.com for "obscenity" because in his "community" Playboy is obscene.

could you please define "obscene" for us? is a video of a guy having a dominatrix urinate on his face something that could cause you to be put in jail? should the government even be making such distinctions?

Read pleasurepays he makes some sense,its the hard truth:

If people in this biz weren?t totally retarded, totally disorganized and actually had some guidelines and standards to work and live by this industry wouldn?t have many real legal problems. How about not pushing? how about setting some clear, defensible boundaries and staying within them? rather than always challenging the world to shut you down?

There is a difference between drawing the line in the sand, one which you know can be defended and staying behind it and the totally incorrect assumption that anything and everything you do is somehow Constitutionally protected and to keep pushing the most influential groups in this country to shut you down by making sure they always have the ammo they need to keep firing at you until they hit something.

Right now many of you US idiots want to make the argument that shitting on, pissing on, vomiting on, pissing in girls mouths until they choke and cry etc isn?t ?obscene? or isn?t obscene in GodsVillage, Indiana? and most of you then go further to suggest that what he is going through is unfair as if no one really knew that you can?t just mail out totally over the top porn with some old wrinkly fuck pissing into a girls mouth until she starts to choke and cry to any state, county and city in the country without a serious risk of being prosecuted.

Really?

The biggest problem with this industry is that it is full of anti-social idiots with a strong resentment for authority. Thats all fine and well when you are rebelling against your alcoholic father who frequently tried to kiss you or watch you take a bath? but it?s not hardly a winning formula for the long term success of a controversial industry whose greatest enemies are infinitely more organized, deep pocketed and focused on the simple goal of stopping you and that usually have the public and federal government behind them to do it.

The ?rights? you many of you seem to think you have in the US are an illusion. People make the laws. People make the laws against people like you. They can because they know you are weak. You are the low hanging fruit of society. They will attack you because they know no one is going to defend you? because you can?t defend yourselves. They will continue to attack you because they can always rely on the fact that you will constantly be throwing whatever offensive thing you do right in their face and daring them to do something about it. And they are fucking you over right now. They are arguing that each one of you is a Max Hardcore,.. no better. A disease in society. Eventually, they will win and you will lose and it will be your fault, because far too many people in this industry are irretrievably damaged, self destructive fuck ups? and because no one will separate you and what you do from the absolute worst of the worst in this biz.

The public doesn?t see (and never will see) ?good? and ?bad? pornographers. They just see ?pornographers? and the public perception of you will never be any better than the publics perception of Max Hardcore and some old guy shitting on an 18 year old runaway while she cries. And its not the publics fault. It?s your fault. You repeatedly make the choice to defend the worst of the worst in a political and social climate where you will eventually lose. You don?t even have the sense to pick and choose battles and choose battles you can win. Instead, you let the worst of the worst in this industry pick a fight on your behalf. Brilliant! Are you fucking kidding me? Eventually you will lose these fights? And once you finally lose? you will lose big because the fight against you will never stop and you don?t have the brains or foresight to organize and defend yourselves, set standards and police yourselves. Instead? you are happy doing lines of cocaine off a strippers ass while complaining about who is President and how unfair life is and will just let the Christian Right do it for you.

How will the government restrict your business because you didn?t have the brains, foresight and organizational skills to put yourself in a defensible position first? Because in the most important fights, you choose to not have a strong defensive plan or even an offense?

This industry is like a really big, cocky, heavy weight fighter with a glass jaw. Eventually, its going to catch one on the chin and it will be lights out for all. It?s not a question of ?if?? only ?when? ?. and why? because most of you stupid assholes prefer to think its your ?right? and will keep doing that until its finally decided to take that ?right? away because you just can?t and won?t see the bigger picture.

AWARD FOR BEST POST ON GFY!!! 2008

Yea fuck Max's nasty shit..fuck him

Yea fuck Max's nasty shit..fuck him

Wanna know what the saddest thing is the claire thread went 11 pages and this is barely three.

Wanna know what the saddest thing is the claire thread went 11 pages and this is barely three.

Wanna know what the saddest thing is the claire thread went 11 pages and this is barely three.

It's still young...

well said people really dont realize another 8 with john mccain we will be seriously fucked.

I understand what you are saying but my only point is that for the producers that shoot content as extreme as max's content then this case does have some relation to them and they should reconsider shooting extreme shit unless they want to take chances but for the producers that are shooting adult mainstream content such as girls modeling nude, blowjob scenes, handjob scenes...I don't see how that really has any relation to what is going on here. I don't know why some people are freaking out and thinking that just because max was found guilty of obscenity charges that there is not going to be anymore pornography produced in the future.

If shooting content such as girls modeling nude, handjobs, blowjobs....was considered obscene then there would not be an adult industry here in America and it would have been banned decades ago. In my opinion, pornography will always exist....just as it always has existed. You just need to watch what your shooting and don't play with fire because as we have all seen, if you shoot that type of content then your asking for trouble.

What bothers me is that, from what I understand, some of the convictions came only from movie trailers not the full movie (I'm sure that will be something argued in the appeal) and some of the convictions were for, "transporting obscene material over the internet."

Why is everyone so surprised? The stuff on his site is disgusting in my opinion, and it is most definitely obscene! Why are you surprised that somebody distributing obscene material is getting found guilty on charges of distributing obscene content?

Read pleasurepays he makes some sense,its the hard truth:

If people in this biz weren?t totally retarded, totally disorganized and actually had some guidelines and standards to work and live by this industry wouldn?t have many real legal problems. How about not pushing? how about setting some clear, defensible boundaries and staying within them? rather than always challenging the world to shut you down?

There is a difference between drawing the line in the sand, one which you know can be defended and staying behind it and the totally incorrect assumption that anything and everything you do is somehow Constitutionally protected and to keep pushing the most influential groups in this country to shut you down by making sure they always have the ammo they need to keep firing at you until they hit something.

Right now many of you US idiots want to make the argument that shitting on, pissing on, vomiting on, pissing in girls mouths until they choke and cry etc isn?t ?obscene? or isn?t obscene in GodsVillage, Indiana? and most of you then go further to suggest that what he is going through is unfair as if no one really knew that you can?t just mail out totally over the top porn with some old wrinkly fuck pissing into a girls mouth until she starts to choke and cry to any state, county and city in the country without a serious risk of being prosecuted.

Really?

The biggest problem with this industry is that it is full of anti-social idiots with a strong resentment for authority. Thats all fine and well when you are rebelling against your alcoholic father who frequently tried to kiss you or watch you take a bath? but it?s not hardly a winning formula for the long term success of a controversial industry whose greatest enemies are infinitely more organized, deep pocketed and focused on the simple goal of stopping you and that usually have the public and federal government behind them to do it.

The ?rights? you many of you seem to think you have in the US are an illusion. People make the laws. People make the laws against people like you. They can because they know you are weak. You are the low hanging fruit of society. They will attack you because they know no one is going to defend you? because you can?t defend yourselves. They will continue to attack you because they can always rely on the fact that you will constantly be throwing whatever offensive thing you do right in their face and daring them to do something about it. And they are fucking you over right now. They are arguing that each one of you is a Max Hardcore,.. no better. A disease in society. Eventually, they will win and you will lose and it will be your fault, because far too many people in this industry are irretrievably damaged, self destructive fuck ups? and because no one will separate you and what you do from the absolute worst of the worst in this biz.

The public doesn?t see (and never will see) ?good? and ?bad? pornographers. They just see ?pornographers? and the public perception of you will never be any better than the publics perception of Max Hardcore and some old guy shitting on an 18 year old runaway while she cries. And its not the publics fault. It?s your fault. You repeatedly make the choice to defend the worst of the worst in a political and social climate where you will eventually lose. You don?t even have the sense to pick and choose battles and choose battles you can win. Instead, you let the worst of the worst in this industry pick a fight on your behalf. Brilliant! Are you fucking kidding me? Eventually you will lose these fights? And once you finally lose? you will lose big because the fight against you will never stop and you don?t have the brains or foresight to organize and defend yourselves, set standards and police yourselves. Instead? you are happy doing lines of cocaine off a strippers ass while complaining about who is President and how unfair life is and will just let the Christian Right do it for you.

How will the government restrict your business because you didn?t have the brains, foresight and organizational skills to put yourself in a defensible position first? Because in the most important fights, you choose to not have a strong defensive plan or even an offense?

This industry is like a really big, cocky, heavy weight fighter with a glass jaw. Eventually, its going to catch one on the chin and it will be lights out for all. It?s not a question of ?if?? only ?when? ?. and why? because most of you stupid assholes prefer to think its your ?right? and will keep doing that until its finally decided to take that ?right? away because you just can?t and won?t see the bigger picture.

People think just because he call his shit porn that it is. Sorry but the dude is pissing in girls mouths and filming what seems to be forced sex on drugged girls. Big surprise he got hit with obscenity charges.

Where is the artistic value in that?

I'm not against free speech in any means, but really what does this kind of content "add" to our industry? The shit he films is exactly what gives us a bad name and will now likely cause the rest of us problems.

if the content is making max money, who cares? we don't have to like Max's content or even agree with him making it to see that this whole case is fucked up.

well now that max got hammered....who's the person "sticking out" the most after him?

pretty soon they'll get to everyone

consider this business doomed

Read pleasurepays he makes some sense,its the hard truth:

This industry is like a really big, cocky, heavy weight fighter with a glass jaw. Eventually, its going to catch one on the chin and it will be lights out for all. It?s not a question of ?if?? only ?when? ?. and why? because most of you stupid assholes prefer to think its your ?right? and will keep doing that until its finally decided to take that ?right? away because you just can?t and won?t see the bigger picture.