Overcriminalization is an epidemic. Agree?
Law Puts Us All in Same Danger as Eric Garner - Bloomberg View
Law Puts Us All in Same Danger as Eric Garner - Bloomberg View
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We live in a police state and are all already prisoners...it's just some don't realize it...yetComment
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Far too many laws this is the damn truth.Comment
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6 replies before it went off topic - who had 6? anyone?Comment
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I think the debate is more about "what is crime?"
Is crime a thing that requires a victim?
If there is no victim or potential danger/harm/loss then is an physical arrest needed?
Selling single cigarettes is not serious crime.
Apparently selling single cigarettes is illegal because it's less harmful to smoke a whole pack.Comment
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Yeah, I missed that part too. The point is that LAWS are backed up by STATE GUNS. When people wet themselves PASSING TONS OF LAWS, they don't realize that the GUNS (to enforce the laws) might be pointed at them next.
Rand Paul Is Right about Eric Garner | National Review OnlineComment
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Give me a break. He was setting up an illegal store in front of other stores. They pay rent so they can sell cigarettes. So there is a victim. Not to mention no one wants a huge guy standing in front of their store 24/7. This is not a race thing. They wanted him to move on and had arrested him several times for petty things. He was being pressured with a purpose and motive. Not sure where you are from but this is a common problem in some areas.
He had been arrested over 30 times or something like that. This guy knew the deal. He probably always yelled shit as he was being arrested. They make it seem like he was the first guy ever to scream, he couldn't breathe. I think, those of us who actually have lived or worked in these areas should point out the score. This guy was on the edge of it all the time. He knew it, the police knew it and we knew it. It was a bad break that he died but he is hardly innocent or the subject of some big police state plot to infringe on his rights.
The cops aren't allowed to go over there for a crime to arrest someone and decide. Oh yeah, he gets arrested a lot. He is a low life who hangs here all the time but sort of harmless, lets let him off today. Then the tax payer who called in is all in their face about lax policing.
Society has moved a bit, and we are leaving those guys behind. We need to tell all kids regardless of race that you don't want to get into the computer. Stay away from dumb shit and dumb stuff like this won't happen to you.Comment
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I don't know about jel, but I expect Gene to comprehend the articles he posts.
The problem is actually broader. It’s not just cigarette tax laws that can lead to the death of those the police seek to arrest. It’s every law. Libertarians argue that we have far too many laws, and the Garner case offers evidence that they’re right.Just an FYI: They did not have to make it illegal to fuck a horse until someone kept fucking horses. They have to make laws because people are too stupid to figure out the difference between right and qrong.Part of the problem, Husak suggests, is the growing tendency of legislatures -- including Congress -- to toss in a criminal sanction at the end of countless bills on countless subjects. It’s as though making an offense criminal shows how much we care about it.
Husak cites estimates that more than 70 percent of American adults have committed a crime that could lead to imprisonment. He quotes the legal scholar William Stuntz to the effect that we are moving toward “a world in which the law on the books makes everyone a felon.” Does this seem too dramatic? Husak points to studies suggesting that more than half of young people download music illegally from the Internet. That’s been a federal crime for almost 20 years. These kids, in theory, could all go to prison.Comment
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So I guess the implication is that Eric Garner's history of 30 arrests isn't an issue because there are too many laws.Comment
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Again (sorry, I don't know your first name so can't drop it in for no other reason than to show I know it), where does it say to get rid of all laws?
Your quote "The problem is actually broader. It?s not just cigarette tax laws that can lead to the death of those the police seek to arrest. It?s every law. Libertarians argue that we have far too many laws, and the Garner case offers evidence that they?re right." is the fact that every law can lead to death, not that he says there should be no laws at all.Comment
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I find myself agreeing with Rand Paul more every day.
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