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What about those who already have a girlfriend?

Most pointed out the live, interactive cams, which can't be pirated except in recorded form (and so, the live interaction itself it can't be pirated). Still, some pointed out that more performers online will decrease the prices and so the earning per performer. That's true in average, but not for specific performers... some rooms will be crowded of paying users, or even just have 1 whale user trashing $5k a month alone, even if all others being freeloaders.

This trend is not even future, it is there.

The naughty.com ( https://web.archive.org/web/20071014...w.naughty.com/ ) tgp people launched cam4.com ( https://web.archive.org/web/20071016.../www.cam4.com/ ) around 2007, it was really 100% free and performers exhibitionists, no one getting paid, just adverts based business; cam4 added tips in 2010, but I believe ads sales it is still the main business model, like tubes somewhat.

Let's switch to myfreepaysite ( https://web.archive.org/web/20040701...eepaysite.com/ ) and other real/fake free passwords sites by Leo R., around since 2001, this diversified into myfreecams.com in 2004, such "mfc" cam site was unknown and small for years, until from 2009 it started to allow nudity in free rooms, for optional tips (note the traffic source was the one of my FREE pay site which advertised the free word), this in a few years emptied many private-only cam sites as most guys signed-up to mfc being "free", simply.

Later, new sites such as chaturbate.com and bongacams.com was launched, inspired by both cam4 and myfreecams, and several old cam sites adapted to this "show lots of nude and play for free" new wave, just not to see all of their users go away to free cam sites, for example naked.com so much looks like mfc now, or cams.com (streamray) launched stripshow.com where shows are free, and so on.

I can tell cam sites, with partly free and partly "closed" shows, if done properly and with enough critical mass of models/users, it can stay up profitable sort of forever, I can't see anything today or in future it can let collapse proper cam sites - except wrong management. Instead, I did seen properly managed (prerecorded) photo / movie sites collapse or ghostify, no matter quality and dedication, simply due to market factors.

About the 3d or VR or virtual remote dildos/vaginas: I see those 3d helmets around since late 1980's, anyone remembers the movie "The Lawnmower Man" (1992) ?... but it didn't mass-market-happened yet, so I don't think it will happen soon. There was some remote controlled dildos/vaginas in some cam sites, these was mostly gone too that I know of.

Ok sry I agree with you

all the major tubes started out copying youtube.

I'm only speculating and hopefully it'll bring up an interesting discussion, it wasn't that long ago that people thought 3D would be the technology that would be next.

In the case of VR, no one has even released a headset for resale yet so it's very early days.

Will it take off and be the next thing? IMO yes because of the money being invested in it but technology changes so fast these days. When Oculus do finally release their headset next year it's going to be for hardcore gamers and innovators to begin with, the potential is unlimited if they get the VR experience right.

To begin with VR will be an interactive gaming experience, then if successful it'll expand into other areas (that'll take a few years at least) I'm not convinced that adult tubes will be the main source of traffic in 5 years, it depends how fast things change and if the current companies have the ability to adapt quick enough.

You only have to look at smartphone apps to see how quickly a company with a good idea can go from nothing to critical mass/disruptive technology within a very short space of time i.e. WhatsApp

All these things have the same thing in common though, take a paid service and offer a better service for free.

The only constant is change and IMO technology is advancing and changing at an increasing speed. Look at online streaming 5 years ago compared to now and how it's changed the way the majority of us consume media and the impact it's had on the cable subscription business model.

Youtube is the biggest pirate website on the internet and it's existence has legitimised all the adult tubes that steal adult producers content because they can do so with impunity.

I tend to agree that "the next thing" is already here with the tipping based cam sites or "free cams". These sites are doing insane numbers just from a media buying standpoint and as others have pointed out it's about 1 on 1 contact where people tend to bring out the whale money. Of course the one difference between this new model is the barrier to entry is much higher than all the previous models like tgp's, mgp's, etc.... Sure anyone can do a white label but it is alot harder to put together a vertical cam site than a simple TGP....

Have your shooter make the models wear fake tattoos with your url. Better yet, have them say things during sex like "I'm totally putting this video on disinfectedporn.com".

Again, you're 100% right regarding cams. But what you're mentioning has nowhere near the ability/chance of drawing away all the mass traffic from the tubes.

Agreed. No one said otherwise.

Great points. But IMO none of them argues against tubes remaining the biggest crowd pleasers out there. Let's assume that technology required for streaming VR evolves at a somewhat similar pace to the one needed for creating/experiencing interactive VR. In such a case I still don't see any reason why tubes couldn't remain the biggest traffic mongers out there. They already have most of the traffic, it's only a matter of gradually phasing in a new type of content.

As said above, I don't disagree with the arguments about cams. But they're still not giving away anywhere near what tubes do. Thus they're not the biggest traffic magnets out there and will probably never be. Out of the big pie of porn, only a small slice is comprised of people who enjoy live, interactive shows. Most just prefer to rub one out to the kind of porn they like.

Most porn surfers want to meet a real girl.

And then they move in together and go back to porn.

Maybe, but most importantly: they will make new porn surfers. And porn cycle will go on.

I think the next thing will be that small webmasters and sites will just dissapear. It will not be a change in technology but rather a change in business model.

(Free) Cam sites do not naturally draw away the mass traffic from the tubes. The Cam sites pay the tubes advertisements to (artificially) push traffic from tubes to Cams. The Cam sites can convert a few tube surfers into cash cows, and I mean $5,000 per month per user it often happens. In other words, Cam sites (along with gambling, scams, pills etc.) are who currently pays the hosting bills of the tubes, making the tubes possible in first place.
Note we talk of adult tubes: when it comes to youtube, there any mainstream corporation can bid the advertising space; to show on adult tubes, you dilute and damage a brand, rather than improve it, except if this is a cam site, pills brand, gambling or any scam.

About Oculus Rift's, I still think it will be limited to few young hardcore gamers, and perhaps very few professionals like architects into previewing homes to customers, or doctors into telemedicine, no reason everyone should get an Oculus at home.
PERHAPS, if Apple will launch some VR stuff, only in this case, it may become mass market, just because it is Apple. Not for any other reason

This is happening since long time. In the past our affiliates was mostly independent tgp's, blogs and member sites with own traffic, just putting links and banners there.
Lately (at least in cams), we see mostly people who owns no site and no traffic, but just finds ways to work in order to "spam" the few big sites, either submitting watermarked videos to big tubes, posting links in chatrooms by hand or via bots, or ultimately buying traffic from brokers but I see less and less people making this with profit, most of the media buys seems to me done directly between the big guys, tube to tube and program to tube.

1. Websites will be taken over by phone apps (and tv apps).

2. Probably some netflix of porn type thing.