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  • jakethedog
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    • Jun 2004
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    Canada's BRAND NEW anti-piracy laws .. !!! news story

    Just read this over coffee this morning .. akkk time to clean out those old Metallica tunes ..


    the link ..
    http://www.canada.com/theprovince/st...0-f237e9c23a9d


    and the story ..

    Gov't wants into your laptop
    International agreement seeks to curb piracy
    With files from Kent Spencer and Jack Keating, Canwest News Service
    Published: Tuesday, May 27, 2008

    OTTAWA -- The federal government is secretly negotiating an agreement to revamp international copyright laws that could make the information on iPods, laptops and other devices illegal, according to a leaked government document.

    The deal could also force Internet service providers to hand over customer information without a court order.

    The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement would see Canada join the U.S. and the European Union in a coalition against copyright infringement.
    SFU student Marc Terrien uses his laptop yesterday at a Vancouver coffee shop. He worries about the proposed international agreement infringing on people's privacy.
    SFU student Marc Terrien uses his laptop yesterday at a Vancouver coffee shop. He worries about the proposed international agreement infringing on people's privacy.
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    Federal trade agreements do not require parliamentary approval.

    Border guards and other public security personnel could become copyright police under the deal. They would be charged with checking laptops, iPods and even cellphones for content that "infringes" on copyright laws, such as ripped-off CDs and movies.

    The guards would determine what infringes copyright.

    The agreement says any copied content would be open for scrutiny -- even if it was copied legally.

    "This will end up in the Supreme Court of Canada, if it goes forward," Darrell Evans, executive-director of the B.C. Freedom of Information and Privacy Association, said yesterday.

    "Under the constitution, everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure.

    "Where you draw the line to protect copyright is very dangerous. This would give security people, who could be designated as any policeman, more licence to pry into your data.

    "If you're carrying a laptop in a cafe, a cop could look at it."

    Beau Hunter, a director of IPSA International in Vancouver, which investigates the theft of intellectual property, applauded the news.

    "Canadian laws are very lax," said Hunter. "Piracy results in lost revenues and jobs. The agreement would be a tool to punish folks for piracy."

    People using their computers at downtown Vancouver coffee bars yesterday were skeptical of the government's motives.

    "How are they justifying this?" asked Marc Terrien, 24, of Vancouver, a Simon Fraser University communications student.

    "There is a need to preserve people's rights and not infringe on their privacy.

    "This will make people not only fear the government, but question their motives."

    Ryan Lam, 25, of Vancouver, another SFU student said: "Obviously, it's bad for any citizen because it's an invasion of our privacy.

    "Of course, we want to keep things that are in our computers to ourselves and it's not for other people, especially the government.

    "In a way, we live in a surveillance society already where our computers are monitored, phone lines are tapped. We don't need extra laws to further enhance their capabilities of surveillance.

    "These extra powers would not be good for citizens. It's a bad idea."

    The ACTA discussion paper was leaked online by Sunshine Media, which runs Wikileaks.org, a whistleblowing website created to help circulate secret documents.

    Michael Geist, Canada research chairman of Internet and e-commerce law at the University of Ottawa and an expert on Canadian copyright law, blasted the government for advancing ACTA with little public consultation.

    Details of ACTA's plans would not need to be leaked online if the process were open and transparent, Geist said.

    In October, International Trade Minister David Emerson said Canada would help create ACTA.

    "We are seeking to counter global piracy and counterfeiting more effectively," Emerson said at the time.

    The new agreement will likely be tabled at July's meeting of G8 nations in Tokyo.
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  • Joe BrainCash
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    • Mar 2006
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    #2
    No need to worry, never gonna happened... Canada is way too soft to come up with such a hardcore law.
    Last edited by Joe BrainCash; 05-27-2008, 10:31 AM.
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    • Phoenix
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      • Nov 2002
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      #3
      shit...going to keep the laptop clean then..lol
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      • payd2purv
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        • Jan 2008
        • 2727

        #4
        That's dumb as fuck. Seriously..

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        • Martin
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          • Dec 2001
          • 17274

          #5
          Welcome to the New Police State of Canada.

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          • munki
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            • Dec 2004
            • 13393

            #6
            Can I get Canadia's stand on Meese yet... mooses... moostefuls... it's still fucking buggin me...


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            • bobby666
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              • Nov 2005
              • 21765

              #7
              canada is sooo far away

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              • _Richard_
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                • Oct 2006
                • 30989

                #8
                something will definitely happen in Canada, cause the media companies in the states and abroad are PISSED about the laws here. But my guess is that they'll target Movie piracy more than anything.

                If a cop demanded that he views what's on my laptop, i would laugh in his face and whatever laws he would be hiding behind.

                Try taking THAT to court, and i'd slap them so hard with privacy infringement and the aspect of 'Innocent until proven guilty'

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                • DWB
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                  • Jul 2003
                  • 31779

                  #9
                  Good, good and good.

                  Let every government crack the fucking whip on everyone. Theft is theft.

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                  • jakethedog
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                    • Jun 2004
                    • 2497

                    #10
                    I have to say .. I agree with this possible law .. stealing is stealing .. and even if this sort of law was to stop 2% of the people out there by publicly saying that what they're doing could be defined as a criminal act, It would really make a decent difference .. I am sure they will never seriously follow through with coffee shop raids LOL.... but a law like this gives the gov. the ability to crack down on the really serious guys.. "presidence" is what they are looking for .. and well we all know we are being killed by theft .. I personally would love a 2% increase in sales .. as I am sure we all would ..
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                    • Ravage
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                      • Mar 2007
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                      #11
                      Something will definitely change; the pressure from the movie and music studios is too great.

                      But I don't see this making it thru:

                      "The deal could also force Internet service providers to hand over customer information without a court order."

                      There's no way the court is going to allow such a breach in the privacy act.
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                      • directfiesta
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                        • Oct 2002
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                        #12
                        Amazing how public funded officials would be assigned to enforce private companies copyright ... in coffe shops ...

                        And let's not forget that for every device on wich we can " burn " data, we pay a royalty to the music/movie right association to be distributed to them.

                        Even when I was buying 10 000 VHS for duplication of rights I owned, I still ended up paying a few cents on each tape ....

                        Wonder if it is a competition to see which country is the dumbest?
                        I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                        • Elli
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                          • Apr 2003
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                          #13
                          How can they prove you don't own the Cd or DVD from looking at a file on an ipod or laptop?
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                          • Gary_TLX
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                            #14
                            What's the point of making laws that are impossible to enforce?
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                            • baddog
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                              • Apr 2001
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                              #15
                              Oh well, they probably wouldn't let me in anyway.

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                              • evildick

                                #16
                                Originally posted by jakethedog
                                but a law like this gives the gov. the ability to crack down on the really serious guys
                                Really serious guys? this law seems to be aimed more at the average Joe with an Ipod full of pirated tunes.

                                This law is a joke. We have some of the strictest privacy laws in the world in Canada (so strict that complying with every aspect of 2257 is basically illegal in Canada), and now they want to try to pass something like this? Doesn't even make sense.

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                                • d-null
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                                  • Apr 2007
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                                  #17
                                  OTTAWA -- The federal government is secretly negotiating......
                                  this is a very strange news article, wonder which mp's would ever dare to put support behind something as crazy as this

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                                  • donkevlar
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                    Good, good and good.

                                    Let every government crack the fucking whip on everyone. Theft is theft.
                                    Are you: a) being sarcastic. b) a cop or c) a fucking moron ?

                                    You want some of the WORST people in the world (ie cops who would be concerned with enforcing such bullshit) snooping through all your shit? Going through folders on your laptop whenever they fucking want to and arresting you because jimmy ICQ'd you the latest eminem track?

                                    Some 1984 shit right here.
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                                    • evildick

                                      #19
                                      I don't think the cops would even try to enforce this law.

                                      They had the same problem with pirated satellite signals. There are strict laws on the books for pirating satellite / cable, but the RCMP came right out and said they would not be enforcing them actively on people using it for their own personal use.

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                                      • Mister E
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                                        • May 2007
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                                        #20
                                        Take this seriously my friends.

                                        Canada had a Conservative government that banned funding for a film - because of the title.

                                        I love this country but much like our friends south of the 5440 freedoms are evaporating.
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                                        • jakethedog
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by directfiesta
                                          Amazing how public funded officials would be assigned to enforce private companies copyright ... in coffe shops ...

                                          And let's not forget that for every device on wich we can " burn " data, we pay a royalty to the music/movie right association to be distributed to them.

                                          Even when I was buying 10 000 VHS for duplication of rights I owned, I still ended up paying a few cents on each tape ....

                                          Wonder if it is a competition to see which country is the dumbest?
                                          fuck I spit my slurpee out .. you just might be my new best friend .. how fucking true .. how fucking true ... we are paying for this copyright infringement every time we buy recordble media ... might as well slap another TAX on our HDs .. and we'd be all set ..
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                                          • Martin
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                                            • Dec 2001
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Mister E
                                            Take this seriously my friends.

                                            Canada had a Conservative government that banned funding for a film - because of the title.

                                            I love this country but much like our friends south of the 5440 freedoms are evaporating.
                                            More secretiveness from the Harper Government.
                                            http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/429906

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                                            • Jdoughs
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by munki
                                              Can I get Canadia's stand on Meese yet... mooses... moostefuls... it's still fucking buggin me...


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                                              • jakethedog
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                Oh well, they probably wouldn't let me in anyway.
                                                OMFG ... Dog .. you would fit in here better than anyone on these forums .. I would personally meet you at the gate and validate .. this is the place to be
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                                                • munki
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                                                  #25
                                                  I like mooseticles better...

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                                                  • jeffrey
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by SBR Richard
                                                    If a cop demanded that he views what's on my laptop, i would laugh in his face and whatever laws he would be hiding behind.

                                                    Try taking THAT to court, and i'd slap them so hard with privacy infringement and the aspect of 'Innocent until proven guilty'
                                                    I agree, Even if they arrested me and seized my laptop I doubt any of the half wit cops would get past my password to log in anyways.

                                                    Originally posted by jakethedog
                                                    I have to say .. I agree with this possible law .. stealing is stealing .. and even if this sort of law was to stop 2% of the people out there by publicly saying that what they're doing could be defined as a criminal act, It would really make a decent difference .. I personally would love a 2% increase in sales .. as I am sure we all would ..
                                                    I hope your being sarcastic and your not actually that fuckin stupid.

                                                    2% of the Canadian population is about .002% of the US population.

                                                    I would bet less then 5% of your sales come from Canada.

                                                    Even with HUGE sales numbers its a drop in the ocean.
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                                                    • jakethedog
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by jeffrey
                                                      I agree, Even if they arrested me and seized my laptop I doubt any of the half wit cops would get past my password to log in anyways.



                                                      I hope your being sarcastic and your not actually that fuckin stupid.

                                                      2% of the Canadian population is about .002% of the US population.

                                                      I would bet less then 5% of your sales come from Canada.

                                                      Even with HUGE sales numbers its a drop in the ocean.
                                                      I hope you didn't just call me "that stupid" .. the actual law if you read was to get on board with an almost universal copyright act .. being Canada the US and Europe .. read the article before you call anyone "Stupid" .....Stupid
                                                      Last edited by jakethedog; 05-27-2008, 03:35 PM.
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                                                      • Socks
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                                                        #28
                                                        Would never happen. Some dumbfuck lowlevel moron in the government is just wasting money trying to justify their job, yadda yadda, no reasonable judge or lawmaker would ever pass this here, especially at a federal level.

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                                                        • WarChild
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                                                          • Jan 2003
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by SBR Richard
                                                          If a cop demanded that he views what's on my laptop, i would laugh in his face and whatever laws he would be hiding behind.

                                                          Try taking THAT to court, and i'd slap them so hard with privacy infringement and the aspect of 'Innocent until proven guilty'

                                                          Oh god, please, I doubt dog dare you to try that with Canada Customs. I'd love to watch.
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                                                          • Vegas Ken
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                                                            #30
                                                            Time to bring back this oldie but goodie...

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                                                            • Vegas Ken
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                                                              #31
                                                              On a serious note, thanks for posting that article. It makes for good dialogue and thought. I am not surprised if the person who is proposing the law used to be an elected official here in the states.
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                                                              • jeffrey
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by jakethedog
                                                                I hope you didn't just call me "that stupid" .. the actual law if you read was to get on board with an almost universal copyright act .. being Canada the US and Europe .. read the article before you call anyone "Stupid" .....Stupid
                                                                The actual law is really a conflict of current privacy laws.
                                                                If they want to see whats on my laptop they can get a fuckin warrant.

                                                                The supreme court has already ruled on music sharing too, this will never pass.

                                                                Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                Oh god, please, I doubt dog dare you to try that with Canada Customs. I'd love to watch.
                                                                They will just deny you access, and put you in a holding room till your lawyer gets you out without them checking anything. You will undoubtedly end up on a no fly list though.

                                                                I have yet to have or see customs ask more then prove a laptop can turn on though.
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                                                                • bronco67
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                                                                  • Dec 2006
                                                                  • 29026

                                                                  #33
                                                                  So then if that goes through, what's the next step? They can enter your house and search your desktop?

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                                                                  • jakethedog
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by jeffrey
                                                                    The actual law is really a conflict of current privacy laws.
                                                                    If they want to see whats on my laptop they can get a fuckin warrant.

                                                                    The supreme court has already ruled on music sharing too, this will never pass.



                                                                    They will just deny you access, and put you in a holding room till your lawyer gets you out without them checking anything. You will undoubtedly end up on a no fly list though.

                                                                    I have yet to have or see customs ask more then prove a laptop can turn on though.
                                                                    I was just talking about this with a fellow program owner... I have been in this biz full time since 96 .. I personally have had Canadian customs ask to start up .. by-pass all security and allow them full access to my laptop .. hell i guide them right to the pictures in the folder clearly named NUDES of G/F that I deliberately put in there of my beautiful g/f * September Lee* ... make full sure prior to going down that there was ABSOLUTELY NO work related content ... a few topless pics of her posing for me very am style ..but they got what they thought they would .. a couple nudes of the hot g/f .. NO movies .. No jacked music .. and 100% NO PORN...in this biz as soon as your fingered as an adult content producer/performer or webmaster they will do what they can at each and every crossing to make sure your following the very simple rules ....

                                                                    Funny thing is US customs are awesome .. "Have a great trip sir" it's coming back home I get the drama ..
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                                                                    • starpimps
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by jakethedog
                                                                      I was just talking about this with a fellow program owner... I have been in this biz full time since 96 .. I personally have had Canadian customs ask to start up .. by-pass all security and allow them full access to my laptop .. hell i guide them right to the pictures in the folder clearly named NUDES of G/F that I deliberately put in there of my beautiful g/f * September Lee* ... make full sure prior to going down that there was ABSOLUTELY NO work related content ... a few topless pics of her posing for me very am style ..but they got what they thought they would .. a couple nudes of the hot g/f .. NO movies .. No jacked music .. and 100% NO PORN...in this biz as soon as your fingered as an adult content producer/performer or webmaster they will do what they can at each and every crossing to make sure your following the very simple rules ....

                                                                      Funny thing is US customs are awesome .. "Have a great trip sir" it's coming back home I get the drama ..
                                                                      I agree, i have rarely been harassed by us customs. But Canadian customs are always dickheads

                                                                      What the fuck are they trying to protect. Between our igloos/maple syrup and hockey we don't have much else
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                                                                      • munki
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by starpimps
                                                                        I agree, i have rarely been harassed by us customs. But Canadian customs are always dickheads

                                                                        What the fuck are they trying to protect. Between our igloos/maple syrup and hockey we don't have much else
                                                                        Moosticles... they're trying to keep us incompetent Americans away from the moosticles.

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                                                                        • qxm
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          very nice thread

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                                                                          • madfuck
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                                                                            • Oct 2004
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            ii dont think its ever goin to happen, dont worry bout it

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                                                                            • xxxdesign-net
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by madfuck
                                                                              ii dont think its ever goin to happen, dont worry bout it
                                                                              lol... what a relief...


                                                                              Yes its going to happen, its only a matter of time... If its not under Harper, it will be under Ignatieff... They love the american model so much...

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                                                                              • spunky99
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                american customs have searched my laptop a few times.. canadians never have, they jus check me for drugs

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                                                                                • Matt_WildCash
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  I'll be encyrpting my laptop with 2 boot drives, a clean one and a normal one when I go traveling next month

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                                                                                  • jakethedog
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    bump for more opinions ..
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                                                                                    • ChatCash_Rob
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      counterfeiters pfffft...
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                                                                                      • Eva PSC
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        that would be no fun if each time you take a plane they would check your laptop/cellphone/etc. So if they found something they question, that means you leave your stuff behind and take the plane on time or miss the flight and spend the day and/or more in the airport??? How fun is that???


                                                                                        I remember Kate (kates playground) telling a story a while ago how her laptop was searched before flight and how she had to spend several hours with the airport security looking at her own pics and vids together with them and discuss it.

                                                                                        Some of you here who say you have had your laptop searched before at the airport, what did they look for? How long did it take? Were they really picky or just happy enough that you offered to turn it on?

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                                                                                        • _Richard_
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                                                                                          • Oct 2006
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Elli
                                                                                          How can they prove you don't own the Cd or DVD from looking at a file on an ipod or laptop?
                                                                                          bingo! that's what i thought too

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                                                                                          • Eva PSC
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by SBR Richard
                                                                                            bingo! that's what i thought too
                                                                                            isn't it so that it is illegal to rip a CD period? Even the ones that you own?

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                                                                                            • jakethedog
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              I believe copying your own DVDs and CDs to protect them and back them up is legal.. If you have bit-torrent software or key-gens on your comp ..you could be asking for trouble ...
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