Regardless, it was still the Romans who nailed him to the cross.
The jews were chasing jesus all throughout the gospel of john. At the end, the jews bribed judas to turn him over. Judas and the jews (not romans) arrested jesus and took him to the pontius pilate, the roman governor.
Pilate looked at jesus and said he saw no crime committed. The angry mob of jews insisted he crucify him. Pilate told the mob to release jesus, they chose to release barabas, a theif, instead.
Pilate said "let the blood be on your hands and those of your children" to the jews. The romans then executed him under the watchful eye of the jews.
Jesus is so forgiving he said "father, please forgive these men, for they know not what they do." to the jews as they were leading him away to be killed.
Romans wanted to release jesus, didnt see any fault in him. The mob of jews insisted.
People tend to forget that Jesus wouldn't have fulfilled his destiny without getting his ass nailed to a piece of wood. Whether it was Jews, Romans or whatever doesn't matter -- Christians should be thanking them for killing the dude so that he could be resurrected.
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On a side note, did you guys know that while sitting around that table of 13 or whatever, jesus choked during dinner? Dude almost died right there, no cross at all. Yeah, it's a very rare bit of trivia, but apparently he did, and one of his disciples, Peter I believe, started slapping him on the back vigorously (no hiemlick maneouver back then) and repeatedly, saying "puke it up Jesus, PUKE IT UP"... and Jesus puked in front of his disciples, none of whom felt hungry thereafter.
This is why this even is known as the "last" supper.
I understand discussing religion on a porn forum is retarded to say the least, but I'm amazed about the lack of knowledge displayed in this thread. Just to avoid a long religion history class, let's say the gospels were written way after John, Matthew, Luke and Mark died. Those are the synoptic gospels accepted by Church. All those written in life of Jesus aren't accepted, including the "Q", Thomas gospel, some of the apocryphal gospels and of course, the Manuscripts from Qumran which are secret and in a safe in the Vatican (go figure).
So, the accepted gospels were wrote to allow the Christian sects to be part of the recognized religions in Rome, hence they don't speak bad of Rome and they set the basis to become polytheist (slightly disguised) since Romans would never accept a monotheist religion. That being said, everything said on the gospels could be true or could be a lie. Since the gospels wrote on life of Jesus are secret and the Vatican will never accept them and they only accept those wrote way after Jesus time, I'd incline to say most of what gospels say is fake.
Oh, and Jesus was a jew, take some time to read the Bible and even those canonical gospels and you'll read how Jesus was a Torah doctor and he just tried to be an ultra-orthodox jew. And as we're at it, Jewish religion is just a (bad) compendium of Assyrian and Aegyptian religions with some rules and laws for community life. There's not a single story or parable in the Old Testament that doesn't exists in Assyrian and/or Aegyptian religions (and Aegyptians had the first monotheist religion and Moses ran away from Egypt after Akhenaton fall, which probably means he was an Aton priest)
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I understand discussing religion on a porn forum is retarded to say the least, but I'm amazed about the lack of knowledge displayed in this thread. Just to avoid a long religion history class, let's say the gospels were written way after John, Matthew, Luke and Mark died. Those are the synoptic gospels accepted by Church. All those written in life of Jesus aren't accepted, including the "Q", Thomas gospel, some of the apocryphal gospels and of course, the Manuscripts from Qumran which are secret and in a safe in the Vatican (go figure).
So, the accepted gospels were wrote to allow the Christian sects to be part of the recognized religions in Rome, hence they don't speak bad of Rome and they set the basis to become polytheist (slightly disguised) since Romans would never accept a monotheist religion. That being said, everything said on the gospels could be true or could be a lie. Since the gospels wrote on life of Jesus are secret and the Vatican will never accept them and they only accept those wrote way after Jesus time, I'd incline to say most of what gospels say is fake.
Oh, and Jesus was a jew, take some time to read the Bible and even those canonical gospels and you'll read how Jesus was a Torah doctor and he just tried to be an ultra-orthodox jew. And as we're at it, Jewish religion is just a (bad) compendium of Assyrian and Aegyptian religions with some rules and laws for community life. There's not a single story or parable in the Old Testament that doesn't exists in Assyrian and/or Aegyptian religions (and Aegyptians had the first monotheist religion and Moses ran away from Egypt after Akhenaton fall, which probably means he was an Aton priest)
I understand discussing religion on a porn forum is retarded to say the least, but I'm amazed about the lack of knowledge displayed in this thread. Just to avoid a long religion history class, let's say the gospels were written way after John, Matthew, Luke and Mark died. Those are the synoptic gospels accepted by Church. All those written in life of Jesus aren't accepted, including the "Q", Thomas gospel, some of the apocryphal gospels and of course, the Manuscripts from Qumran which are secret and in a safe in the Vatican (go figure).
So, the accepted gospels were wrote to allow the Christian sects to be part of the recognized religions in Rome, hence they don't speak bad of Rome and they set the basis to become polytheist (slightly disguised) since Romans would never accept a monotheist religion. That being said, everything said on the gospels could be true or could be a lie. Since the gospels wrote on life of Jesus are secret and the Vatican will never accept them and they only accept those wrote way after Jesus time, I'd incline to say most of what gospels say is fake.
Oh, and Jesus was a jew, take some time to read the Bible and even those canonical gospels and you'll read how Jesus was a Torah doctor and he just tried to be an ultra-orthodox jew. And as we're at it, Jewish religion is just a (bad) compendium of Assyrian and Aegyptian religions with some rules and laws for community life. There's not a single story or parable in the Old Testament that doesn't exists in Assyrian and/or Aegyptian religions (and Aegyptians had the first monotheist religion and Moses ran away from Egypt after Akhenaton fall, which probably means he was an Aton priest)
The Pharisies, who were in power and are probably equivalent of todays Taliban wanted him dead because he posed an actual threat to the control of the people. Becasue they had no actual political power they had to lobby through the Romans. They wanted him dead and got their wish.
what are u talking about jews are the nices people in the world hahaa
i its just seems like when is this world nothing is what is fucking seems like ;)
On a side note, did you guys know that while sitting around that table of 13 or whatever, jesus choked during dinner? Dude almost died right there, no cross at all. Yeah, it's a very rare bit of trivia, but apparently he did, and one of his disciples, Peter I believe, started slapping him on the back vigorously (no hiemlick maneouver back then) and repeatedly, saying "puke it up Jesus, PUKE IT UP"... and Jesus puked in front of his disciples, none of whom felt hungry thereafter.
This is why this even is known as the "last" supper.
Well, even if that bit of trivia is true, that would not be why it was called the last supper.
There is no Hell .. .......no Heaven .. no hell......nothing .. we're all just atoms then DNA waiting to be pulled apart and then be eventually joined back together in some other form .. what ever it may be .. so don't sweat the small things .. fuck up all you want .. your only hell might be living with what you have done ..
The jews were chasing jesus all throughout the gospel of john. At the end, the jews bribed judas to turn him over. Judas and the jews (not romans) arrested jesus and took him to the pontius pilate, the roman governor.
Ok even Christians get this wrong. Judas was NOT a traitor he was doing what Jesus told him to do. Jesus had every intention of becoming a martyr. He chose Judas because Judas was his most trusted desciple and he could trust Judas to actually do what needed to be done. Tt's funny that Christians understand why they called the day Jesus died as GOOD Fridday because without his death the new convenent with God can't be fulfilled. Yet they don't get if Judas doesn't turn Jesus in there can't be any Good Friday.
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