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I wish APIC would fucking DIE !

08-16-2002, 09:33 AM

damn these hoes

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Infringing URLs:

TRADEMARK - Right of Publicity
ALL IMAGES AND UNAUTHORIZED USE OF TRADE NAMES.
SAFESEARCHING Clients do not wish to be associated with adult entertainment.

(ROP) Jennifer Love Hewitt
http://www.sexy-celebs.net/Jennifer-...itt/index.html

(ROP) Alyssa Milano
http://www.sexy-celebs.net/Alyssa-Milano/index.html

(ROP) Denise Richards
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(ROP) Tori Spelling
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Ms. Ford has a right to control her property and the use of her name.She has a direct presence online. Use of her name and certain images may be negotiated through MACANDBUMBLE.COM .

(ROP) Patricia Ford
http://www.sexy-celebs.net/Patricia-Ford/index.html
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Stupid fucks, the URLs dont even contain any nudity
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08-16-2002, 09:35 AM

That sucks man

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08-16-2002, 09:37 AM

AH, i hear you there man. I had 5 huge celeb sites, now they all have links to AmateurMoney

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08-16-2002, 09:41 AM

APIC eats a fat cock

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08-16-2002, 09:41 AM

I dont think you got that email from APIC though, you probably got it from Lynn Milano, who is Alyssa Milano's mother.

She runs a company called safe-searching, gets a bunch of girls, INCLUDING Alyssa under her wing, and she makes all sites w/ their pictures take them down.

Just because her daughter is a slut doesnt mean she needs to take her anger out on us friendly webmasters

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08-16-2002, 09:43 AM

Are those Hewitt ones scanned from a magazine?

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08-16-2002, 09:48 AM

From: "Apic-Worldwide" <[email protected]>

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08-16-2002, 09:48 AM

Explain to me why it is wrong that someone wants you to stop using someone else's intellectual property?

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08-16-2002, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by gothweb
Explain to me why it is wrong that someone wants you to stop using someone else's intellectual property?

because they are wankers and don't know how to make a buck other than harassing webmasters
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08-16-2002, 09:50 AM

Unfortunately APIC have a point (unfortunately because they do more harm than good as a rule). APIC are assholes but then you had no rights to the pics *shrug*

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08-16-2002, 09:53 AM

Yep. I don't care whether you like being told it or not, but using those pictures isn't legal. Someone owns each of those photos, and you can't just scan them and put them online, and try to make money off of them. You might not like it, but the law isn't determined by what you think is fair, or what you want.

If you don't like getting emails like that, try a niche where you can get some legal content. You play with fire, you get burned. You want to make money off of illegal celeb content, then you have to expect to get called on it.

I can see why you don't like it. I just don't see why you think you're in the right, or somehow getting oppressed. It's like when those damn cops arrest you for stabbing someone who deserved it, right?

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08-16-2002, 10:04 AM

Hello !
I'm not profiting from these pictures.
I offer them to surfers for free.
And they don't contain any nudity.
Surfers have a right to see the pics in the movies or TV shows, but not on the net ?

This is fucked up.
And why wouldn't APIC mind their own fucking business ? Those are not their pics.

You know what am i going to do ? I'm gonna ask them to post mail me their legal papers, where celebs ask them to protect their shit.
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08-16-2002, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
Hello !
I'm not profiting from these pictures.
I offer them to surfers for free.
And they don't contain any nudity.
Surfers have a right to see the pics in the movies or TV shows, but not on the net ?

Judging by that.

I can go take any pic from any gallery or paysite I find and give it to my surfers for free, but its cool to fly banners above the pics to my sites right?

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08-16-2002, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
Hello !
I'm not profiting from these pictures.
I offer them to surfers for free.

So the ads and sponsor popup on the site have been put there by someone else?

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08-16-2002, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
Hello !
I'm not profiting from these pictures.
I offer them to surfers for free.
And they don't contain any nudity.
Surfers have a right to see the pics in the movies or TV shows, but not on the net ?

The models and actresses are paid to be seen on movies and TV, but not your website. Photographers PAID for those images, you did not, they have every right to order you to take them down.

If your reputation wasn't already shit, it could easily be damaged because of your ignorant posts on this thread.

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08-16-2002, 10:09 AM

The worst thing about this thread is it makes APIC look good. Nobody should be doing that.

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08-16-2002, 10:11 AM

alright, then how the hell there are many huge celebrity sites on well known sponsors ?
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08-16-2002, 10:12 AM

I kept reloading, because I wanted to see his response. Then, by the time I saw it, you guys had given all the responses I would have. Nothing left for me to say. You really ruined this for me, guys. ;)

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08-16-2002, 10:14 AM

Celeb Picture Thieves - they all think alike.

It's not your pictures, you do not have permission to use them. Don't.

Fucking thieves will be theives.

Wonder how much this person makes with Amateur Pages with all these stolen pics.

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08-16-2002, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
alright, then how the hell there are many huge celebrity sites on well known sponsors ?

I think they pay for the rights maybe... ?

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08-16-2002, 10:16 AM

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08-16-2002, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by GFED

I think they pay for the rights maybe... ?

No, they dont.

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08-16-2002, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
alright, then how the hell there are many huge celebrity sites on well known sponsors ?

Don't confuse "It is common" with "It is all right"... I am always surprised by how many people use the argument "People get away with it, so it must be legal."

(Like the people who said Max Hardcore *must* not be doing anything illegal, because he is still doing it and not in jail. How dumb can you get? So nothing is illegal until you get put away for it, huh? Think about that for a second, I am sure you will work out the flaw.)

Celeb photos belong to someone. That someone sure as hell isn't you. I don't get why you are so baffled by getting a cease and decist. Did you really think you were in the free and clear, using copyrighted materials to make money?

As for the large sites... My guess is many of them are flirting with the law, too. In many cases, it isn't illegal until you are asked to take it down. So, as long as you keep taking things down when asked, you can stay in business. It is still IP theft, though.

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08-16-2002, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by GFED

I think they pay for the rights maybe... ?

pay who ? APIC ? hah
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08-16-2002, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by GFED

I think they pay for the rights maybe... ?

No. If I remember correctly, there are certain guidelines you can follow that will get you through the cracks. I remember reading somewhere that if you include some type of text with the images, like a review, you can get away with it because it's considered a review.

At any rate, there are certain girls you just don't mess with because they have made it quite obvious they'll go after you. Alyssa is one of them.

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08-16-2002, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by gothweb

(Like the people who said Max Hardcore *must* not be doing anything illegal, because he is still doing it and not in jail. How dumb can you get? So nothing is illegal until you get put away for it, huh? Think about that for a second, I am sure you will work out the flaw.)

So you are saying max hardore's stuff is illegal? Thats a bold claim.

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08-16-2002, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by DarkJedi

pay who ? APIC ? hah

What an odd notion. Who ever mentioned paying APIC?

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08-16-2002, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Tipsy

What an odd notion. Who ever mentioned paying APIC?

well, they obviously aren't paying celebrities, so....
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08-16-2002, 10:27 AM

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So you are saying max hardore's stuff is illegal? Thats a bold claim.

He's saying it might not be necessarily legal, just because he's not in jail.

Look at everyone around here who buys hookers and does drugs. Does that make it legal? In most of the United States, no.

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08-16-2002, 10:27 AM

Gothweb you say that Max Hardcores' stuff is illegal (although it is simulated) yet on your site you feature "vampire" sucking blood from girls etc.
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08-16-2002, 10:27 AM

oooh look at all the message board lawyers.

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08-16-2002, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
Hello !
I'm not profiting from these pictures.
I offer them to surfers for free.
And they don't contain any nudity.
Surfers have a right to see the pics in the movies or TV shows, but not on the net ?

This is fucked up.
And why wouldn't APIC mind their own fucking business ? Those are not their pics.

You know what am i going to do ? I'm gonna ask them to post mail me their legal papers, where celebs ask them to protect their shit.

Not smart at all man, just take em down. Dont fuck with them, if you are in the wrong (Which you are) they always win.

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08-16-2002, 11:11 AM

Haha some guy steals and uses celebrity pictures which he has no rights to and then complaints that he is being harassed by a company protecting the rights of these individuals.

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08-16-2002, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
Stupid fucks, the URLs dont even contain any nudity

No, but there are links to pages that do contain nudity.
The Milanos et all want nothing to do with any type of porn,
You don't own the pics
In order to use/display pics you don't own you need permission from the true owner
since you obviously have no permission,
you have no right to use pics you don't own
it ain't hard to figure out
take em down and walk on.

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08-16-2002, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
Gothweb you say that Max Hardcores' stuff is illegal (although it is simulated) yet on your site you feature "vampire" sucking blood from girls etc.

I did not say Max Hardcore's stuff is illegal. What I said was, the fact that he isn't in jail is horrible *proof* that it is legal. I have no idea whether his stuff is legal, and meant to express no opinion on the matter.

As for your claims about my content... I love the fact that you just made that up, right out of your ass. I have no such content. I haven't done such a shoot... Though it does sound like it could be cool. As long as nobody is tricked or harmed, I don't see a problem with stuff like that.

I don't mind simulated schoolgirls, either. Or heavy BDSM. What I mind is when people do stuff that harms someone, or steals from them, or takes advantage of them. Clear enough for you?

Stealing people's intellectual property-- Bad.
Raping people, or physically harming them -- Bad.

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08-16-2002, 12:01 PM

steve easton owns a big celeb site, so celeb sites are a huge target for steve, he is cutting out the competition... and this is fact, i bet he'd even admit to his owning a celeb site... he is a fucking hippocrate and a weak, lonely, angry old man as well....

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08-16-2002, 12:03 PM

It's wrong to use the images, but I don't think APIC has any standing to make demands. Most likely, they don't represent the copyright holders.

And on this "name not being associated" shit, what the hell is that? Unless you are holding them in a false light, I believe there is no basis for that demand. These people chose a public lifestyle, they can't have it both ways.
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08-16-2002, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Lensman
It's wrong to use the images, but I don't think APIC has any standing to make demands. Most likely, they don't represent the copyright holders.

And on this "name not being associated" shit, what the hell is that? Unless you are holding them in a false light, I believe there is no basis for that demand. These people chose a public lifestyle, they can't have it both ways.

I have no idea whether APIC has the right to send these cease and desist letters. I can only comment on the general ethics of using celeb content.

As for the name association thing, this is how I see it... I don't think it is about reutation, libel, and related concepts. I think it is still about copyright. I, for instance, own the rights to the pics I take. So I decide when they can be used, and when they can't. This means that if someone steals them, I can tell them to take them down. Now, one reason for such a demand might be the associations from being on their site. In the end, though, the reasons don't matter, just my ownership of the photos.

I suspect something similar is going on with these photos. The "models" may have some rights, because it is likely that they signed a limited release. However, I suspect that the actual copyright holder (the photographer, magazine, agency, etc.) has a lot more rights in such matters than the celebrity.

So, yeah. APIC may not have the rights to complain in all cases, but the celeb sites have even less rights to use the photos.

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08-16-2002, 12:16 PM

I don't agree with the use of unauthorized material on celebrity sites; however, it is not as simple as "you do not have access, so I can shut you down."

Sites like http://www.mrskin.com are allowed to exist on the basis of some fair use laws, because of the way they use the content, and the amount that they use.

In addition, I think you are allowed to use "thumbnails" of images and fall within the "fair use" laws.

I'm too lazy to look the stuff up; yet, interested enough to play devil's advocate.

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08-16-2002, 12:31 PM

We spend a lot of money to create pictures, $1,000 a set is not unuusual. We make our living out of selling the rights.

If people like you can post them everywhere for free we will not have a business, new pictures will dry up, the surfer and reader will get sick of seeing old pictures. Then our business is finished.

Pay for images, for hells sake they can be found for very little money.

You stole the images and expect us to applaud you?? Get real.

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08-16-2002, 12:40 PM

I have a case on at the moment. A Czech magazine, like the ones they sellin the supermarkets in the US, stole one of my pics from the net and printed it.

We are suing them, expecting a nice paycheck. They could have settled but called my bluff. But I have to go to court, pay lawyers and spend my time to sort this out.

How much easier it would be if I could just put APIC onto them. SE is the only solution I have seen that works and until any of you come up with a better answer he is who we have to stick with.

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08-16-2002, 01:30 PM

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I agree with you in that case, from the facts that you have given.

You have a right to prosecute what you feel is an infringement of your copyright or trademark; however, you may be comparing apples to oranges.

Fact is, there are fair use laws in the United States which are still being ironed out.

For example, Google and other search engines have their image search and cache features that store copies of images. They do not have the specific permission from copyright holders to do this; yet, it is done. The use of thumbnails in an informative context has been specifically upheld as being legal.

If people want to have a "legal" celeb site with other people's copyrighted images, they can do it given fair use laws. It may be difficult, but it _can_ be done. However, we have those pesky ethical considerations again LOL.

As I said I'm not going to do somebody's legal research for them, but these are interesting brief reads:

A paper titled "Digital Images and Fair Use Web Sites"
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08-16-2002, 01:32 PM

Putting pages up with pics of celebs, focusing on SE placement for those names and flying banners and popping porn exits is far from Fair Use.

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08-16-2002, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Putting pages up with pics of celebs, focusing on SE placement for those names and flying banners and popping porn exits is far from Fair Use.

How dare you accuse him of such a thing! He was making nothing from those pictures, nothing I tell ya! It must be true 'cause he said so!

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08-16-2002, 02:03 PM

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Perhaps your opinion is correct, but again I point to:
http://www.mrskin.com/

http://www.mrskin.com/all/index.html
Mentions "Who's the boss" and of course, the female star.

Just because you don't like something or you consider it to be unethical doesn't mean it is illegal.

I worry that if it is easy to take down a site on the basis of some presumed violation of copyright law, how easy will it be for parental organizations with structures similar to APIC to take down or block free adult sites on the basis of some presumed violation of "community standards?"

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08-16-2002, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by DarkJedi
Hello !
I'm not profiting from these pictures.
I offer them to surfers for free.

Ah, you're doing it out of the goodness of your heart, you just love your surfers?

And they don't contain any nudity.

That's not the point.

Surfers have a right to see the pics in the movies or TV shows, but not on the net ?

Sure they have that right, if the person showing the pics has a license to do so.

And why wouldn't APIC mind their own fucking business ? Those are not their pics.

Nor are they yours.

You know what am i going to do ? I'm gonna ask them to post mail me their legal papers, where celebs ask them to protect their shit.

Go for it

I don't get it...you've been posting here for quite a while, so one would assume you've been an adult webmaster for some time. This is OLD news...shit, people have been busted over posting Alyssa Milano pics years ago.

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08-16-2002, 02:35 PM

dude, it's fair use ... just fucking put a bibliography on there and give credit and you're free of it all =)

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08-16-2002, 02:36 PM

err.. oh yeah .. and just don't make any money off it :-)

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#49

08-16-2002, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Brujah
oooh look at all the message board lawyers.

hahahaha
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Kimmykim

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#50

08-16-2002, 03:25 PM

APIC is an organization that is paid by copyright holders to look for infringers on their work.

While I do not always agree with their methods, they are very diligent in finding people who are taking the 5 finger discount on images and profiting from their use.

IF you have a license to use images they claim you are using illegally, then get with the content provider who sold them to you and they should be able to take care of it for you.

Other than that, there's no real solution -- IF apic did turn out to be working for the particular copyright holder and you don't take it down, you'll probably get notice of a lawsuit from that company.
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