N.J. woman with three jobs eulogized as face of low-wage worker

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  • dicknipples
    Formerly known as Lensman
    • May 2014
    • 654
    #31
    Originally posted by SilentKnight
    If you justify raising the minimum wage to $15 with the cost of living excuse...then you have to apply that same percentage increase across the board to everyone - up-to and including CEOs of major corporations.

    And to pay for all those increases - corporations will hike the price of their product/service... which we'll all pay for in one way or another.

    I'm college-educated and 50 yrs old with many, many years of work experience in a variety of fields. In the past I invested a great deal of time and money in my college education. Currently I'm in upper management - having laboured my way from an entry-level position a decade ago (while working a second job, I might add).

    As such - if minimum wage is raised to $15/hr. I'm not going to be pleased about the diminishing gap between my current position and that of a menial job - unless I get a percentile increase as well. Cost of living affects us all, correct?
    Or all these people realize that just saying fuck it and go on welfare hurts us even more, because A, nobody to do those jobs, means no more people working shit jobs so you don't have to cook your own meal, or serve yourself at a restaurant, etc, and more we pay in taxes.

    But hey, fuck the people who weren't lucky enough to get a college education because they couldn't afford it, they're just not meant to make more than $9/hr. Let them starve, let them work themselves to death like this woman, let them become homeless, they just weren't meant to survive, right?

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      • SilentKnight
        Megan Fox's fluffer
        • Oct 2005
        • 24818
        #32
        Originally posted by Bowser Koopa
        Or all these people realize that just saying fuck it and go on welfare hurts us even more, because A, nobody to do those jobs, means no more people working shit jobs so you don't have to cook your own meal, or serve yourself at a restaurant, etc, and more we pay in taxes.

        But hey, fuck the people who weren't lucky enough to get a college education because they couldn't afford it, they're just not meant to make more than $9/hr. Let them starve, let them work themselves to death like this woman, let them become homeless, they just weren't meant to survive, right?
        Luck had nothing to do with my college education. By the age of 25 I had worked hard, sacrificed and saved up...to pay my own tuition, books and related costs. Alongside my studies I also worked through both the co-op work semesters.

        By your logic - we should be rewarding everyone no matter what their station in life. So what incentive does that provide to those who invest in college/university and make wise career choices?

        There will always be haves and have-nots - for one reason or another. Why should the penalty of financial responsibility fall on those of us who bettered ourselves through either education, aptitude or experience to pay a disproportionate wage to those who work the typically lower-wage positions?

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          • SilentKnight
            Megan Fox's fluffer
            • Oct 2005
            • 24818
            #33
            Originally posted by Bowser Koopa
            ...work themselves to death like this woman, let them become homeless, they just weren't meant to survive, right?
            And btw - according to the article this woman didn't "work herself to death". My understanding was she unfortunately succumbed to gasoline fumes in her car. She didn't actually die on-the-job.

            Just wanted to clarify that...

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              • Robbie
                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                • Aug 2002
                • 20960
                #34
                Originally posted by Bowser Koopa
                No, I think your asinine comment about her not deserving $15/hr because she has no education or skills that say she should be getting $15/hr.

                The raise of minimum wage has nothing to do with skills or education, it's about the cost of living.
                She didn't deserve $15 an hour. Nobody doing unskilled labor does.

                The cost of living doesn't go up by magic...it goes up because of the cost of doing business. Raise that cost by paying more than a job is worth and you will further raise the cost of doing business and the cost of living.

                A job should only pay what it's worth. Unskilled labor is the low rung on the ladder.

                By the way...your entire logic is asinine to me. But I'm a hard working guy.
                -Robbie
                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                  • nico-t
                    emperor of my world
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 29903
                    #35
                    thanks for bothering everyone with another useless news thread to reach your sig view quota

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                      • crockett
                        in a van by the river
                        • May 2003
                        • 76818
                        #36
                        I find it sad that we live in a society that seems judge people by their life's accomplishment related to work vs how they actually lived their life. It's really a shame that most people in this country worry more about chasing the carrot than enjoying it.

                        Someone working 3 jobs just to survive is a sad state of affairs, regardless of her education or mental capacity.
                        In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                          • Robbie
                            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 20960
                            #37
                            Originally posted by crockett
                            I find it sad that we live in a society that seems judge people by their life's accomplishment related to work vs how they actually lived their life. It's really a shame that most people in this country worry more about chasing the carrot than enjoying it.

                            Someone working 3 jobs just to survive is a sad state of affairs, regardless of her education or mental capacity.
                            People worked hard all through history crockett...only now people expect things to be "easy" all the time.

                            Just be thankful that you are "enjoying" your "carrot" and not chasing it. That seems to be the prevailing way in our culture today.

                            Me? I am chasing the hell out of it! It's part of my enjoyment.
                            -Robbie
                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                              • crockett
                                in a van by the river
                                • May 2003
                                • 76818
                                #38
                                Originally posted by Robbie
                                People worked hard all through history crockett...only now people expect things to be "easy" all the time.

                                Just be thankful that you are "enjoying" your "carrot" and not chasing it. That seems to be the prevailing way in our culture today.

                                Me? I am chasing the hell out of it! It's part of my enjoyment.
                                I'm enjoying my carrot, not necessarily because I worked all my life or all that hard for it, but because I decided to do so. People are too caught up in keeping up with the Jones's and trying to put up a front to appear as something they are not.

                                I simply realized that it was more rewarding to change the way I lived vs trying to "get more". Most people are caught up with trying to afford a bigger house or nicer car, I instead took a different approach and realized the fastest way to double my income was to cut my expenses in half.

                                I now work when I feel like it, not because I have to and I pretty much do what I want to do. Today I hiked 10 miles in the mountains before noon and tomorrow I'll probably do it again. I'm trying to get myself in shape, because I'm toying with the idea of doing a through hike of the Appalachian Trail starting next spring. It's that or head to Alaska, I haven't decided yet.
                                In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                  • SilentKnight
                                    Megan Fox's fluffer
                                    • Oct 2005
                                    • 24818
                                    #39
                                    Originally posted by crockett
                                    I find it sad that we live in a society that seems judge people by their life's accomplishment related to work vs how they actually lived their life. It's really a shame that most people in this country worry more about chasing the carrot than enjoying it
                                    I think a lot depends on who you ask. I don't think talking in generalities (I'm just as guilty) really does justice to both sides of the discussion.

                                    Originally posted by crockett
                                    Someone working 3 jobs just to survive is a sad state of affairs, regardless of her education or mental capacity.
                                    Agreed - but at the same time you have to look at all the mitigating factors. How many bad choices in life did she make along the way? Hypotheticals - was there medical issues (i.e. was she paying for treatments/meds for a condition?). Was she paying alimony/child support to a former spouse? Did she max out her Amex card and making payments on a $30k balance? Was there a bankruptcy at some point? Was she not a frugal, bargain-hunting savvy shopper in the supermarket? Was she residing in an area with a high cost of living index?

                                    So many intangibles to consider...

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                                      • brassmonkey
                                        Pay It Forward
                                        • Sep 2005
                                        • 77396
                                        #40
                                        Originally posted by nico-t
                                        thanks for bothering everyone with another useless news thread to reach your sig view quota
                                        im reporting you for harassment. go bother someone else
                                        TRUMP 2026 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law!
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                                          • Robbie
                                            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 20960
                                            #41
                                            Originally posted by crockett
                                            I'm enjoying my carrot, not necessarily because I worked all my life or all that hard for it, but because I decided to do so.
                                            Good for you man.

                                            For me...I would go nuts. I'm a type "A" personality. I go to sleep thinking about work and wake up ready to get back to it.
                                            I enjoy my work.
                                            -Robbie
                                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                              • L-Pink
                                                working on my tan
                                                • Mar 2005
                                                • 39151
                                                #42
                                                Originally posted by Robbie
                                                Good for you man.

                                                For me...I would go nuts. I'm a type "A" personality. I go to sleep thinking about work and wake up ready to get back to it.
                                                I enjoy my work.
                                                Well your work is tits and ass

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                                                  • nico-t
                                                    emperor of my world
                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                    • 29903
                                                    #43
                                                    Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                    im reporting you for harassment. go bother someone else
                                                    back to reporting again, well done

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                                                      • Robbie
                                                        Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 20960
                                                        #44
                                                        Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                        Well your work is tits and ass
                                                        I think you know that isn't the real work.

                                                        I saw the same thing when I was in bands traveling. There were a very few guys like me who really busted ass and loved it. Then for every one of me...there were a thousand guys just doing enough to get by.

                                                        It's that way in every walk of life.

                                                        To each his own I suppose.

                                                        I guess that's why I really respect the work ethic this lady had. She knew what she had to do, and she did it.
                                                        -Robbie
                                                        ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                          • brassmonkey
                                                            Pay It Forward
                                                            • Sep 2005
                                                            • 77396
                                                            #45
                                                            Originally posted by nico-t
                                                            back to reporting again, well done
                                                            guess board flies are welcome to my ignore. asshole
                                                            TRUMP 2026 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law!
                                                            DACA ENDED - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

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