Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

I used to swear by Pioneer but the last one I bought I was not that happy with. Seemed to have major problems with the network related stuff, and they released an app for it that was completely useless on android. They basically stopped supporting it once the next years model came out. Compared with my denon and onkyo, which are both several years old and still receiving the odd firmware updates. I know the amps in the pioneer are bulletproof though and it sounds great. I think my current pioneer is a 1326k, which is a special Canadian only equivalent of what they sell as the elite vsx-53 in the u.s.It is several years old too so im sure they've probably improved their network and app stuff by now. I was just pissed I had to pay for a third party app to control it. I was using its zone 2 feature to run speakers out on my deck so I needed something that worked reliably using my phone when I was outside.