Anybody catch Geraldo At Large on Fox News.. this was on and it looks too go to be true... Govt is even backing it with paying 50% and carbon credit etc....
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That's bullshit. Geraldo is a neo con cocksucker now anyways. Yeah yeah Bush supported ethonal and now food is twice as much as it was a few years ago. Good call Bush. Using food for fuel. Hey how about supporting solar? Oh wait the sun is free and has a 4 billion year supply left. Bush can't make money off the sun. -
its 100% real, i know a guy who's getting one....the system is like 10-15,000$ but you end up with $1 per gallon gas
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"MSRP: $9,995 (as low as $6,998 after federal tax credits)"
How much does Bush have invested i this corp. The neocons say don't buy a hybrid because the extra $3000 won't save you any money on gas, but $7000( not counting the cost of the mix ) will?
Even if you could make fuel for $1 a gallon. You have to make 7000 gallons to have it average to $2 a gallon. So you're talking about 14 years if you get 25 MPG and drive 12K miles a year. No thanks I'll just get a hybrid.Comment
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Looks interesting just not practical for me in the cityLooking to buy established paysites contact me [email protected]Comment
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I could do your taxes in my head.
The crapier the milage you current car gets and the more miles you drive the more this is benefit to you. So if you got a 20 year old car that get 16 MPG and you drive 20k miles year, yeah maybe this would work for you. Also if that's the case it sounds like you'll need a new car soon and if so then as I said why not juts get a hybrid?
Besides I can imagine having one of these on your property you'll always have to be on the lookout for people trying to steal your gas. How much is all the extra security going to cost?Comment
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Wont make it.
" To operate simply load EFuel100 feedstock (table sugar with ethanol yeast mix) into the fermentation tank and select the fermentation option on the control panel to begin the process. It will take between 10lbs to 14lbs of sugar to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. The MicroFueler is capable of producing 5 gallons of ethanol per day once fermentation is complete. "PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic
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Saw this too - was trying to work out the math/economics just like all of you. Sugar futures will probably skyrocket this week so that is probably who is behind it - and how much per pound will "ethanol yeast mix" set us back? And that still sounds like using food for fuel. The goal should be using food scraps and organic waste for fuel - like in Back to the Future...
The problem with big oil being pushed to develop new sources of energy is that any substitute will carry the same price per gallon...
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SOLAR...Saw this too - was trying to work out the math/economics just like all of you. Sugar futures will probably skyrocket this week so that is probably who is behind it - and how much per pound will "ethanol yeast mix" set us back? And that still sounds like using food for fuel. The goal should be using food scraps and organic waste for fuel - like in Back to the Future...
The problem with big oil being pushed to develop new sources of energy is that any substitute will carry the same price per gallon...Comment
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Great so the US govt, is subsidising the absolute worst choice there is all because of the famers lobby. You wont get any thing close to the same gas miliage with corn based ethonal vs normal gas, so it being cheaper is BS. Add to the fact that the famers can't ever grow anywhere close to the amount of fuel needed will also drive up the prices while causing food shortages.
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I agree with the solar car idea, electric with a solar panel on the roof. The mazda 929 had a solar panel built into the sunroof so it would tickle charge your car while parked. It will never happen too many people dont want it to happen and they have very deep pockets.Comment
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Really would prefer a solor powered home and a plug in rechargeable car *shrug*.
It looks interesting though, provided you have a field of sugar cane as a backyard (with VERY high fences and killer security! lol)
Heck, I'm still shocked that so many people still buy and use gasoline powered lawnmowers, trimmers and the most idiotic and lazy-ass invention ever: leaf blowers!Last edited by Tom_PM; 05-12-2008, 09:27 AM.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
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You implied that the production of ethanol was the cause of the run up in food costs when it only accounts for an insignificant percentage of the run up. I'm sure you'll now copy and paste some alarmist article about how big bad ethanol is causing hunger in some third world shithole. How about you try this
Find out how much of the GLOBAL corn crop is used for the production of ethanol and then tell us how much effect it's had on the cost of your groceries. Do the same for the GLOBAL wheat, soybean and rice crops. I'm interested to see how you connect the cost increases in these crops to ethanol production.
BTW, Bush isn't the only politician to support ethanol production but of course that doesn't fit with a simpletons view that Bush created all the problems this world faces over his last 8 years in office.Comment
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Should be able to harness the energy made by rain drops hitting a roof by now. That guy musta been killed off already, hehe.
And water wheels built into every downspout.
Hey, I've got the ideas.. please dont kill me!Last edited by Tom_PM; 05-12-2008, 09:32 AM.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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WRONG. Try using LOGIC. Corn farmers that used to grow corn for FOOD are now growing it for FUEL thus leaving LESS corn for food. And corn is used in A LOT more products than you realize. Econ 101 says when demand is high and supply is short prices go UP. Therefor food prices go up. Also feed for cows and chickens is made from CORN. Thus it becomes more expensive to feed those anilmals and that cost is passed on to the consumer. Also farmers that used to grow other crops now are gowing corn to make a quick buck. Except this corn is not meant for food but ethonol so that does nothing to relieve the corn shortage for food. In addition because less amounts of other crop are being grown those crops go up in price because of lower supply.
Now see how easy things are when you use your brain and logic and reasoning? You can not dispute what I just posted.
Well I expect democrats to support farm welfare like they support welfare for everyone. That's their nature. I expect someone form the party of supposedly LESS government and no welfare to behave differently.BTW, Bush isn't the only politician to support ethanol production but of course that doesn't fit with a simpletons view that Bush created all the problems this world faces over his last 8 years in office.Comment
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The oil shortage (as if) aint nothing compared to the food shortage, coming soon to a theater of lunacy near you!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_natural_gas
There's a guy who took out a loan on a P2P lending site I visit who has 2 of these cars in Utah. Prices are less than 70 cents per gallon and I can't remember how far he could drive on a fill up, but it was WAY cheap. With the CNG sticker on his cars he also gets to drive in the HOV lane when he's alone
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Hmmm, from the FAQ:
How much sugar will it take to make a gallon of ethanol?
It takes approximately 13 lbs. of sugar to create one gallon of ethanol. The MicroFueler is capable of producing 35 gallons of ethanol (using 470 lbs of sugar) weekly which will fill the average fuel tank twice.
A ton of sugar today went for $333. So at about .16 per pound at that volume, 470 pounds of sugar for your ethanol machine will cost $75.20 - so unless I'm doing something wrong here - for 35 gallons your sugar cost alone is already $2.15 per gallon, and you've got your machine cost, yeast mix cost, electric, water, and time...
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The only reason ethanol has backing is because the US is the breadbasket of the world and we could profit from it. Lets not get too far off that simple point.
But it's true as soon as it because a main means of fueling, everything around it will skyrocket because it's just trading one limited resource for another.
Geothermal, solar and wind and hydro are the true winners. It's just harder to profit from it.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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Compressed natural gas! I have that!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_natural_gas
There's a guy who took out a loan on a P2P lending site I visit who has 2 of these cars in Utah. Prices are less than 70 cents per gallon and I can't remember how far he could drive on a fill up, but it was WAY cheap. With the CNG sticker on his cars he also gets to drive in the HOV lane when he's alone
Those are great. I think every larger city I've lived in or visited for the last 30 yrs or so has some natural gas busses.
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It's funny, I dated a guy whose father went to MIT at 16 - he was a bit of a genius
When the guy was growing up, his father made one of the family cars into a propane powered car. This was back in the freaking 70's! All 4 kids drove it all through HS and even though it had its quirks, he was obviously ahead of his time.
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Yes I can see now, the correlation between a single digit percentage of the global corn crop being used for ethanol production and the massive food inflation across all crops; what logic. Why it must be all because of the ethanol; couldn't have anything to do with fuel, fertilizer, drought, currency fluctuations, inadequate agriculture practices in most of the world or the hundreds of millions of people now eating two squares a day instead of one. Damn conspiracy by Bush and all those elite bastards to use my food for their SUV's. Thanks for helping me see the light.
I think you'll find support for ethanol production widespread across the full political spectrum outside the borders of the U.S.A..
Well I expect democrats to support farm welfare like they support welfare for everyone. That's their nature. I expect someone form the party of supposedly LESS government and no welfare to behave differently.Last edited by yys; 05-12-2008, 09:57 AM.Comment
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Yeah, I bet most of us knew the local "supreme ultra-cool geek" family!It's funny, I dated a guy whose father went to MIT at 16 - he was a bit of a genius When the guy was growing up, his father made one of the family cars into a propane powered car. This was back in the freaking 70's! All 4 kids drove it all through HS and even though it had its quirks, he was obviously ahead of his time.
There was a guy who lived on a backroad near me and usually he rode/drove his little "car" thing.. it was solar/battery, and had pedals also which would help charge the battery. Which he needed since it was a huge hill he lived on! But, it was always super cool and ahead of it's time.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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Or,
a) live closer to work
b) ride a bike / walk to work
Reliance on the automobile is a direct result of the decentralization of populations, urban/suburban infrastructure (highways, etc). The solution is not better gas mileage, or to find a cheaper way to gas up your car, it's to change people's lifestyles so they are less reliant on gasoline.
Everyone wants to keep their gas burning cars and live in the suburbs - the problem is systematic. You can't have your cake and eat it too.I died.Comment
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That's not really true. You can already have complete solar power for your home. Matter of fact I've already priced it. It's $55,000 to have the unit set up that actually tracks the sun (just like the one they did in a recent episode of Extreme Home Makeover). The only reason I didn't put one in is because I'm selling my current home and moving to Vegas. Once I get settled in Vegas I'm definitely going all solar for my home. The cool part about it is you still have your home hooked up to the power grid and all the "extra" electricity that you generate with your solar power has to be bought by the power company by law! So you can not only power your own home...but you can have the satisfaction of sticking it back to the power company
55 grand is kind of expensive....but then a friend of mine pointed out how much I spend on cars. Hell...for less than the price on one of my cars I can power my home for the rest of my life. When it's put that way...it seems more like a good deal.-Robbie
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Yeah a fully decked solar home would kick ass. In the sunnier states, the gov. kicks in less rebates and incentives, but your payoff will still be quick.
Around here, rebates and incentives get you 45% back since NY is not a very sunny state. We have Net metering here, which means your summer excess is given back to you in winter when you need it more and there is less sun.
Check your U.S. States government incentives and local rebates here: http://www.dsireusa.org/43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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actually distillation of corn into ethanol leaves byproduct that can be used for feed so at least the price of pork wont go up... bu i agree that ethanol is by far the worst possible solution.
if we were to switch 100% to ethanol, we dont even have enough acreage to grow enough corn to cover current needs. not to mention we still need place to grow food, so we'll just end up importing corn, so the fuel wont be really that cheap, food prices will skyrocket cause farmers will grow whatever makes the most money, not to mention the billions upon billions required to change the infrastructure.Comment
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At 470 pounds per week, you would have to have it delivered by the ton. For the rest of the world on metric measurements - metric ton = 1000 kilos and 470 pounds per week is 213 kilos - so you can see that it would make sense to have your sugar delivered in 1000 kilo packets to make it cost effective - you'd have about a four week supply or 140 gallons of ethanol fuel per sugar delivery...
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Here's a neat site/company for those of you interested in Solar power for your home. Put your address in and they will use satellite imagery to work up an installation quote for you and give you an estimate of the power you can expect to generate/save depending on the amount of sunlight your area receives. Pretty interesting concept although I think it only works in Cali for now.
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GatorB is on an ownage campaign right here!!! LOLComment
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GatorB is a clown, but he is clearly 100% correct in this thread.
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