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So let me clarify, Illegal content, as far as I am concerned as a host, Is when my lawyer checks out the dmca and finds it not wanting, or Fbi, secret service or local law enforcement asks for it to be taken down. Illegal is not when someone on gfy types about it. I have been in the business of hosting for 12 years, I have seen lots of BS claims and lots of BS DMCA's.Comment
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please, everyone can spot these illegal tube sites.
I guess just don't host with hosts that allow illegal tube sites on their network.Comment
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Bumpiddy for Brad !Comment
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I tend to think that hosts who have their bread buttered by a clientele of predominately adult sites who choose to also host tube sites with stolen content are kind of like animals that are eating their young?
Perhaps thats a bad analogy.
Here's another one.. how about BlockBuster video having a section for pirated copies for rent and for sale.
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Ok so you think it's legal to post movies on your websites where you don't own the copyright or haven't been given the right to do so? That's not a question of ethics or emotions, this is one of legality. The absence of receipt of a DMCA complaint doesn't make hosting a copyrighted file any more legal that it would be to run down the street with stolen property after robbing a liquor store if the cops didn't catch you.
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It is specifically legal according to the law. Also, if copyright infringement was considered theft you could have people that "steal" from you prosecuted for theft. That sir is not the law and you know it.
You are pulling a Hillary and pandering to the bitter middle class webmasters in order to sell more hosting accounts.
The DMCA was created because of people thinking like you. Do you cry when Google uses your content without permission or is that ok because they send you a few hits for the trouble? Who cares if they are worth hundreds of billions thanks 100% to content they did not create.
The RIAA is not running around demanding prosecution of copyright infringers because it is not considered theft. It has it's own name.
My point is your moral outrage is hilarious considering you are in the business of hosting content that causes more moral outrage than damn near anything else in the world. If we start policing the internet based on morals there wouldn't be a single website left.Comment
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You have emotions on your side because this is something YOU have a vested interest in. Are you equally outraged when someone downloads music or movies from P2P? Do you not associate with people that have cracked versions of windows or photoshop on their computers?
If you want to take the moral high ground and not host with anyone that allows copyright infringement let's go all the way. Let's demand that every host verifies their customers pay for all of their programs and don't "steal" music or any other data. I mean we wouldn't want our host to work with people like THAT would we?Comment
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You are exactly right, and I didnt mean my comment to put you down you at all, I just meant that it's great that people are taking the time to go against this with knowledge
Only thing I know is that I'm a small time adult webmaster that does see effects of the "free porn" age murdering my ratios and sales, I am up for combatting it even in the small way that I possibly can.If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of.
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I think problematic tube site number one is pornhub beacuse they holding major keywords and that takes a lot of quality traffic away.Also comparing youtube with porn tube sites doesnt have sense beacuse youtube is very fast when it comes to removing copyrighted content.Comment
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Well, if it were true moral outrage it would hold some weight. However, the only reason this gets any play is because the content being discussed is the same content most here profit from. The fact that a host in the porn industry is taking the moral high ground on it comes off as pandering.
Even if the entire industry gets behind this the offenders will move to a new host and go about their business. The law isn't changing because too many power brokers have their entire business models at stake and will not allow it. Tube sites are going nowhere, well unless you count a host that doesn't claim things illegal that actually aren't.Comment
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You are correct and thus is why brad's Idea in concept is a good one but will never work. There are simply to many hosts that the illegal tube can move to. BUT there are only a very few adult online processors, so a MUCH better solution would be to have the very few processors, like ccbill, netbilling, epoch.... STOP processing for these sites or sponsors on these sites. That would only take a few processors to put an end to the tubes...
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<-- proud to be hosting with guys who do not host tube sites with illegal content (hint: see thread starter)
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Most of them don't even have billing, how would that help?You are correct and thus is why brad's Idea in concept is a good one but will never work. There are simply to many hosts that the illegal tube can move to. BUT there are only a very few adult online processors, so a MUCH better solution would be to have the very few processors, like ccbill, netbilling, epoch.... STOP processing for these sites or sponsors on these sites. That would only take a few processors to put an end to the tubes...Comment
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85% of tube sites are hosted on USA hosts. I know this for fact after doing a lot of research. They can get cheaper bw here then elsewhere. Places like alphared that will give you cogent at 5 bucks per MBPS etc.
I also know from my personal battles with megarotic that if you mass DMCA a host they will do something. I called carpathia 5-10 times a day and it got results, that and having segpay pull the plug on them, it adds up. Shit can get done if you take the time to do it.
DMCA can be very powerful if you one know how to use one, and two know how to make an impact with them.
Brad is you have any questions, or anything else please do hit me up on ICQ.
I found that posting things on GFY only brought harm to my own sites and business..
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Clearly, we haven't met yet. Let's sit and chat at an upcoming tradeshow, you won't be able to indict my sincerity after meeting me. I'm known for good character, not pandering.
Exactly. Kudos to your own efforts VG.
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People seem to forget a few things when they point to the music industry, mainstream TV and others. The tube sites like youtube and such do not hurt their bottom lines like illegal porn tube sites hurt us. We don't have various outlets for a revenue stream, we are based on the net and depend on the net for our profits. TV shows have commercials, game sales, merch, DVD, re-runs and others to all gain profits from.
When you take our content which 95% of our profits come from selling a membership to see full length videos within our members areas and give them all away for free that takes away basically our entire revenue stream.
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Hey Brad, hit me up. I have a list of pretty much all of them.
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Thank you for taking my word.
I guess you don't see my outrage about the other areas or anyone else's for one of two reasons. Either first because it doesn't affect us personally or second because we don't feel that it is something we can effect change on. None of us can be everything to everyone, I certainly don't feel that I can - I'm busy, just like everyone else.
I own a hosting company whose clientele are predominately adult as is the case for another dozen or so companies around here. The question is not why is there no outrage for the other 'wrongs' online. The question is in this area that we all live and work where we can effect some change why would we not make an effort to or take a personal interest in discussing and spreading awareness?
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A lot of sites have been taken down or forced to go legit. To make things profitable they need to cheapest BW possible, which they will get in the USA.
Host in USA have to follow USA laws.
The issue is people are lazy and it's easier to say "evolve" then take a stand.
How exactly am I to "evolve" if i'm spending 10's of thousands of dollars on content a month, and someone is giving all away for free and pushing cams and dating?
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Here's a bump for http://www.removeyourcontent.com
This is a good service that copyright holders can use to locate and send out DMCAs.
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leaseweb was not the news last week here in Holland for CP and said the first have to make sure it's CP before they remove it (pics shown on TV by "anti CP workgroups" were "not amusing" but by law not considered "intercourse" ....so...).
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Why do people keep saying this?
It's not how people are using them that is the issue. There is no good business model that could be used by a tube site that can benefit the sponsor. Concatenating galleries from every sponsor and putting them on one page is a good idea? Putting gigs of 1-2 minute clips on one site that can be immediately watched, this is a good idea? It's a good idea if you are interested in getting page views and charging for advertising. Youtube doesn't sell memberships, it sells advertising. The porn version of youtube is the exact same model.
If you have a 'legal' tube site and on video viewing page there is a small link back to the sponsor with the page completely bukkakaed by dvd, fling, and aff ads, is the owner of the tube site really trying to sell memberships to the sponsor content (which is generating traffic to the tubesite)?It's better when you can Switch.
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Who will you guys host when all the paysites go out of biz?Comment
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you don't have additional revenue streams, like product placement , commercials, merchandising etc to gain from. Shouldn't you see that as an oppertunity. Shouldn't you try and create those revenue streams for the industry.
i don't understand why so many people on this board don't understand that the concept that the same word for problem is oppertunity.
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YouPorn is the biggest = Alexa Rank 37
then.. RedTube = Alexa rank 51Comment
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There will always be pay sites in addition to different types of free sites. We host many tube sites now and see new ones going up every day. The difference is they're ones without stolen content. We are quite resilient and look forward to growing and changing as the industry does more of the same.
Cheers,
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I wish tube sites never existed. I just see some bad shit happening very soon.[Email Me- Sell Me Your Adult Dating Blogs / Sites! ]
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I see nothing wrong with a host nuking accounts that are running tube sites if they are loaded with unauthorized content. People can spin it any way they want and hide behind loopholes, but unauthorized use of content is a form of theft, whether there's an actual law protecting it or not. And anyone with an ounce of sense in their head knows it.
Kudos to Brad for taking a stand.
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