EPA Announces new pollution controls. GOP says just what you expect.

Australia introduced a carbon tax and to be honest, I have no idea what it has done for the environment, all I know is that it has increased my power costs.

Now it looks like power is set to be deregulated - so all Australians are now bent over clenching awaiting the astronomical prices that are going to become a reality...

And there it is... your knee-jerk bullshit reaction. Fox News. Really? Again?

Why don't YOU link me to info showing that the oceans have risen and flooded anywhere on Earth due to "global warming"?

And which "islands around the world" are you talking about?

Crockett, you're dead wrong on this.

And as for scientists being on payrolls and reporting what they are told...isn't that EXACTLY what you far left people claimed about scientists in the past who were on oil company payrolls?
And now that scientists are on the payrolls of companies looking to cash in on "green energy" you suddenly believe that scientists just magically get money from thin air and don't answer to their boss?

You need to rethink this with some logic.

And AGAIN...the data you are using has already been shown to be wrong. All the data is based on computer models that were using WRONG data.
The new models are taking the new data of the ocean absorbing the CO2 into account.

And guess what? Global warming ain't gonna happen because of CO2.

Now what's your answer to that?

Or are you going to take your info from MSNBC? And of course if you don't believe the new data...then it isn't true!
(Doesn't feel good to have some asshole insult your intelligence like that does it? Then maybe you should stop doing it to me)

Because I get tired of seeing the results of the great dumbing down of America here on these forums.

No, you get tired of people not seeing things exactly like you do.

Goodnight.

So what you are telling me is that you have no scientist names and how they are linked to some massive conspiracy to make some unkown people rich.. Instead you try to charge the argument in order to avoid answering the simple question.

Meanwhile I will provide you with a research paper that links almost all climate denial to funding from big oil, gas and friends..

http://drexel.edu/~/media/Files/now/...%20Change.ashx

btw that link comes from here.. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...denial-effort/

I'll be holding my breath for similar proof that shows the thousands of scientists from all around the world are linked to some great conspiracy to steal everyone's money..

It's hard to ignore the truth when on one side of the argument there are actual scientist saying something, but on the other side of the argument all the naysayers are political, and big business groups with a actual agenda.

I find it very odd that these political groups and big business are directly linked with IRS data showing the funding on the denial front, yet you guys whom swing right ignore it.Yet believe there is some great conspiracy on the side of actual scientist whom have no money to be made or political goal.

So I'm asking if you guys are so sure of your self, proof it. I just proved the links to big oil with deniers. So do the same prove that scientist whom support global warming are in some giant conspiracy..

You guys just repeat bullshit that never has any proof and you ignore actual proof that shows you are wrong. That is the dumbing down of America and I'm tired of seeing it. I'm not going to compromise with willful ignorance.

Perhaps you should just read this article:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...78462813553136

The entire MYTH that most scientists agree on mankind causing climate change is pretty much based on the opinions of 79 scientists who were surveyed.

You really do fall for anything that you read on leftist propaganda don't you?

You have spent the last couple of posts insulting me and several others and suggesting that YOU are somehow smarter than I am.

I don't think so. And many of the things you have typed have led me to believe that you are the perfect mark for the leftist machine: You seem gullible, naive, and ready to believe whatever you are told without even looking for or listening to dissenting viewpoints.

You have been shown over and over in this discussion that the world goes through climate change on it's own. You have seen graphs showing CO2 levels and Earth temps throughout history and can see with your own two eyes that it had no effect. I have told you that new data has made all the computer models from 10 years ago obsolete.

And with all of that...you STILL parrot the tired old bullshit being put out by green energy cronies of the administration.

And the whole time you do that...you accuse me and others of listening to "Fox News" for our information.

No Crockett...some of us have the ability to use our brains. Some of us have the ability to do things like simply google up: scientists who do not believe in man made climate change

You have mental blinders on and refuse to see ANYTHING that goes against what you have been conditioned to believe.

It's frustrating to me that you are not alone. Too many people who are easily influenced, like you, are helping to ruin our country.

So I give you a research paper with real stats that can be confirmed if you would pull your head from your ass and actually read it and for your proof you give me a opinion piece on a website...

You then claim the whole thing is just made up by 79 scientist and we are supposed to believe that just about every scientist in the world decided to go along with what ever these 79 scientist said..

So lets think about this real hard.. like it was a 9/11 conspiracy..

Does it sound realistic to you that 97% of the world's scientists have all agreed to follow these mysterious 79 scientist blindly, for no apparent reason other than to make Al Gore rich..

Or that they actually have as most of us have seen and produced scientific data that backs up their claims?

Meanwhile on the denial side of the argument the only proof is the argument that CO2 has been high in the past.. However what you seem to not be able to understand, is when CO2 was high it was during times of massive volcanic eruptions and life was extinct as we know it.

Have you seen many super volcanoes going off lately Robbie? Have yo seen any rapid influx of volcano activity which would correspond with the rapid increase of CO2. No? of course not, so I guess it must be because of cow farts right?

Hey look here on NASA.gov http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus they even offer up sources. However the number is 97% of scientist not 79 individuals..

Still you can not offer up any actual source to show that there is a massive conspiracy to fool everyone into giving all their money to Al Gore.

Yet, on the denial side it's been shown time and time again, that everything links right back to big oil and friends.

I'm sick of playing games of being politically correct and I'm sick of watching my country be turned into a idiocracy by the right wing. Every time you guys start preaching your made up Fox facts about global warming I'm going to hound you on it, because you have no evidence or scientific study to back anything up, just political talking heads whom bow to big oil.

Crockett... Pres. Obama himself quoted that bullshit 97% figure that his team got from that survey of 79 scientists.

Use your brain. Think for yourself for once.

I even showed you that your exalted and loveable and NEVER greedy scientists told Pres. Nixon back in 1970 that the entire east coast would be underwater by the year 2000.

And then a few years later...those same scientists claimed that we were going into an Ice Age!

If you had been old enough at that time in the 1970's, I believe you would be telling all the "deniers" that they were so dumb for not believing it then.

Can't you see this is another money grab?

And fuck you about "Fox News". You keep insulting me personally? It shows how fucking dumb you really are.

You can't answer my questions about the graphs you have been shown. You can't explain how on Earth the infallible scientists could have been SO wrong in the 1970's.
You REFUSE to acknowledge that the computer models from the late 1990's/early 2000's are completely WRONG because they did not take into account what the ocean is doing by absorbing all the CO2.

Basically you are turning a blind eye to everything that doesn't go along with your spoon-fed extreme-leftist bullshit.

You have a nice day crockett. I've tried to have a sensible discussion with you and not ridicule you as 12clicks does.

But apparently that's the only way to talk to you. You're like talking to a fencepost.

Robbie how is it you are so hyper critical about things like these so called 79 scientist, when it's pretty obvious way more than 79 scientist agree that man has speed up global warming.

Yet you totally ignore all the points I made about big oil being linked to funding your precious deniers. You nit pick and cherry pick everything possible to try to make your point, yet you totally turn a blind to the 700lbs gorilla in the room, which is the entire argument from the denial standpoint is bought and paid for by big oil and friends.

It just goes right over your head and you speak of blinders yet you never take yours off.

BTW who gives a shit about what Obama said.. It's what scientist say that matters. Global warming is not a political issue, it's a issue about survival of the human species. Obama is only a policy maker that can help steer the ship..

Get over the political aspect and your I hate everything Obama does, because it's Obama..

crockett, I don't "hate" Obama. He's a bureaucrat who like all of them is super busy making money for his associates.

Of course the oil companies have scientists. And so do the green energy guys.

Put YOUR politics aside for a minute.

Explain the graphs I showed you.
Explain the NEW data on the ocean absorbing the CO2 which NEGATES the old computer models that bureaucrats are using to buy and sell "carbon credits" for huge money.

Stop trying to make everything political and use your fucking brain.

So I guess it's just completely random that scientist paid by big oil decide there is no global warming?

That's your only comment on the matter that big oil and co have spent billions of dollars trying to push the denial agenda and just so happens that scientists on their payroll seem to be the only ones whom don't believe man has anything to do with it.

Yet you see nothing at all wrong with this? No questions pop in to your head about perhaps they have a conflict of interests..

Yet you have no questions at all that the rest of the scientists not paid by big oil all have it wrong..

So you have no answers. And the scientist who I first heard that ALL that data is negated by the new data showing the ocean absorbing the co2 was a LIBERAL non-oil scientist on the Bill Maher show.

You're such a tool.

Now answer just ONE of my questions: What about the historical graphs? They mean nothing huh?
All that counts are scientist's opinions who work under govt. grants and funded by liberal think tanks.
Everything else doesn't count in your world.

You are a real piece of work crockett. lol

I gotta get out of this conversation. I'm talking to a fencepost.

You don't care about answers unless everyone blindly agrees with you. You never change your view no matter what evidence is presented. All you ever do is nit pick little parts of arguments and ignore anything that proves you wrong.

Anyone with half a brain would understand that it's pretty odd that the only scientists whom say that man has no effect on Global warming all happened to be paid by the polluters.

Yet I'm the fence post because I refuse to blindly go along with what you say And question the fact that the only ones denying it are getting paid to do so.. You have no logical explanation for why the rest of the scientist in the world disagree with big oil pay rolled scientist..

You never have any critical thought about anything that goes along your already decided view point.. Everyone one else is always wrong but you.

So you still haven't addressed anything I've put forward.

And you accuse me of not having critical thought and having a "decided point of view"?

Brother you just described yourself. You just can't see it.