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  • Roald
    SecretFriends.com
    • May 2001
    • 27910
    #151
    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    It was totally unprofessional. Sending out what is little more than spam to a group of sponsors demanding they pay an extra 10% or will lose their position is unprofessional. Are they going to drop a good performing sponsor in favour of a poorer one who gave the 10%?

    If so they lose.

    If they're saying there is no difference between one site and the the next then they need to look at themselves to see where and how they make more money.

    They need to be increasing their surfers loyalty. If after 10 years they have not built up a vast army of bookmarkers and surfers who come to Freeones to check out the next site they join that's their fault. Maybe partly due to promoting the wrong sites for the wrong reasons.

    Posted on Xbiz.
    If they need to be spending lots of money to stand still on traffic, whose fault is that?

    The way good marketing works is to get a customer and keep them. The way Freeones seems to be operating is to get them, sell them something that bests suits them and then the customer moves on. Seriously their reviews suck, they review to many, too badly and this leads to surfers not coming back. Maybe they need to look at their business to earn more and not stick their hands out demanding others pay out.
    Try again


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      • Paul Markham
        Too old to care
        • Jun 2001
        • 52942
        #152
        Originally posted by Doctor Dre
        You're a simpleton. I can't really understand how you're still doing business.

        No, that is NOT not greed, that's simply doing business. The point of doing business isn't only beeing profitable... it's turning the highest profits possible.

        No compagny is going to go out of business by giving freeones a big share of their profits, they are simply going to make less money. Or they won't accept their offers and will lose them as affiliates.

        They ask for 10 % more simply because they CAN.

        It's offer and demand. The affiliates are currently in power because of the high offers by affiliate programs, like it or not... there are simply too many of them offering the same crap.
        So what if a good program says no and they drop them and replace them with a badly performing program?

        There are too many sites offering the same old crap and this has effected sales more than anything. But please don't tell me you now agree with the message I have been spreading here for the past 8 years.

        We spend far too much money on marketing crap the surfers do not want to buy. Freeones are either being very greedy in what is hard times for everyone or they run a business that needs the extra 10%. Now go figure out why we don't spend more money on more porn the surfer needs lass marketing to buy.

        Bingo, we give it out to affiliates who stick their hands out, tell the content guys they have less money to work with and end up with a product that is harder to sell. Solution, send more traffic.

        See the flaw?

        In the next few weeks I will be starting a program of sites with exclusive unique content. Affiliates will be by invite only and people who want to run the sites can simply buy their own content. The surfers who buy this content will find it.



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          • Doctor Dre
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jan 2001
            • 51692
            #153
            Originally posted by Paul Markham
            So what if a good program says no and they drop them and replace them with a badly performing program?
            Do you really think they would do that ? Do you really think they would simply send out more traffic to a site paying 70 % and selling 2.5 month then a site paying 60% and converting 4 months ?

            They are ASKING for a raise. In the end, they will promote the program that makes them the most money.

            Get real...
            Originally posted by rayadp05
            I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                best designer on GFY
                • Mar 2003
                • 30307
                #154
                Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                I only named you because you're the perfect example of the failed guy telling big compagnies how to run their business.
                OK what ever you say champ...

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                  • Paul Markham
                    Too old to care
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 52942
                    #155
                    Originally posted by QuaShe
                    Try again
                    No need to try again. If after running Freeones for 10 years you don't have a loyal army of bookmarkers coming to you for the next site to join, that's your fault. Maybe the reason you need to spend so much promoting Freeones is simply because Freeones is not a sticky site with surfers who buy. Because if it is this 10% demand is greed. Pure and simple and all the excuses are lies.

                    Answer this. Will you drop a site converting at 1-200 and replace them with a site doing 1-300 because it gave you the extra 10%?

                    And please don't tell us all your sponsors convert the same, because if they do you're the reason you need 10% to stay profitable.



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                      • Doctor Dre
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 51692
                        #156
                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                        We spend far too much money on marketing crap the surfers do not want to buy. Freeones are either being very greedy in what is hard times for everyone or they run a business that needs the extra 10%. Now go figure out why we don't spend more money on more porn the surfer needs lass marketing to buy.

                        Bingo, we give it out to affiliates who stick their hands out, tell the content guys they have less money to work with and end up with a product that is harder to sell. Solution, send more traffic.
                        Again, it's all about offer and demand. If this business is giving so much to affiliates, it's simply because they are in competition with each other to get theses affiliates...

                        If you really think you're going to change the world by stopping to give affiliates free stuff , you're dead wrong. You'll simply be alone promoting your stuff.

                        At one point, you're better dealing in high volume with lower profit margin then very low volume with high profit margins. That's the choice you have to make.

                        And from the sounds of it, more use for your magic join links I guess.
                        Originally posted by rayadp05
                        I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                          • Doctor Dre
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Jan 2001
                            • 51692
                            #157
                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                            No need to try again. If after running Freeones for 10 years you don't have a loyal army of bookmarkers coming to you for the next site to join, that's your fault. Maybe the reason you need to spend so much promoting Freeones is simply because Freeones is not a sticky site with surfers who buy. Because if it is this 10% demand is greed. Pure and simple and all the excuses are lies.

                            Answer this. Will you drop a site converting at 1-200 and replace them with a site doing 1-300 because it gave you the extra 10%?

                            And please don't tell us all your sponsors convert the same, because if they do you're the reason you need 10% to stay profitable.
                            You're spining shit so far it's not even close to beeing a real conversation anymore.

                            FreeOnes is not about to go bankrupt. They spend so much money marketing the site because that's their business plan. They have more bookmarkers typein in a day then you have in a year.

                            When you're at the top, you have to spend even more to stay there.

                            Hell 90 % of my spendings are for marketing my business...

                            And about beeing greedy... what the fuck ? Since when making more money for your business is beeing greedy ? Fucking people over is beeing greedy. Asking for a better agreement between two parties isn't. It's business 101...
                            Originally posted by rayadp05
                            I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                              • Doctor Dre
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 51692
                                #158
                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                Answer this. Will you drop a site converting at 1-200 and replace them with a site doing 1-300 because it gave you the extra 10%?
                                You're sence of logic / mathematics is retarded... whatever site will make them the most money in the end will be the one promoted...

                                Off course they would promote the 1:200 one, that's not even a question.
                                Originally posted by rayadp05
                                I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                  • Roald
                                    SecretFriends.com
                                    • May 2001
                                    • 27910
                                    #159
                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                    No need to try again. If after running Freeones for 10 years you don't have a loyal army of bookmarkers coming to you for the next site to join, that's your fault. Maybe the reason you need to spend so much promoting Freeones is simply because Freeones is not a sticky site with surfers who buy. Because if it is this 10% demand is greed. Pure and simple and all the excuses are lies.

                                    Answer this. Will you drop a site converting at 1-200 and replace them with a site doing 1-300 because it gave you the extra 10%?

                                    And please don't tell us all your sponsors convert the same, because if they do you're the reason you need 10% to stay profitable.
                                    Thats what I say you silly old man, try again. If you still don't get what I mean than please do yourself a favour lol


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                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                        best designer on GFY
                                        • Mar 2003
                                        • 30307
                                        #160
                                        Want my business advice? I think thats what ya wanted right Dr? Uhh Dre?

                                        Fuck all this make your own FreeOnes Portal call it some shit like HotOnes or something...
                                        Move traffic get book marks and make your space. This guy that runs FreeOnes, its his fucken deal. End of story, his business suffers for it or flourishes from it, fine its just how the web works. Ya got any idea how many FHG's are available? Or how many you can get custom from willing sponsors?

                                        SHeesh...

                                        If ya were to ask me though there are many business models way way way under exploited.
                                        YOu guys crying about this shit is fucken silly off the hook. You would think sponsors reduced payout or something.
                                        Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 04-24-2008, 10:44 PM.

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                                          • FreeOnes
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jul 2001
                                            • 3406
                                            #161
                                            Nice posts Paul M.

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                                              • TheDoc
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Jul 2001
                                                • 13827
                                                #162
                                                I forgot what happened.
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                                                  • baddog
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                    • 107089
                                                    #163
                                                    Originally posted by teomaxxx
                                                    because US customer is the biggest porn customer. If people from EU would be buying porn-memberships and were paying by EUR, it would be different story...
                                                    shhhh, no hints

                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                    . . .Sending out what is little more than spam to a group of sponsors demanding they pay an extra 10% or will lose their position is unprofessional. Are they going to drop a good performing sponsor in favour of a poorer one who gave the 10%?
                                                    Spam? And you have some fuzzy logic. You really think they are going to promote someone that brings in less than the other guy, just because they are paying 70%?

                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                    So what if a good program says no and they drop them and replace them with a badly performing program?

                                                    Really? What do you think they will do?

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                                                      • NickB.
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2001
                                                        • 8865
                                                        #164
                                                        Freeones for president, fucking love the traffic

                                                        Im sure we make up for it ;)

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                                                          • matty
                                                            Mining for Porn!
                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                            • 1328
                                                            #165
                                                            yet another serious move by another big player in our industry and we are all just too jealous to give them any credit! All these negative posts are completely unfounded.

                                                            Back in 1999 or maybe as late as 2002 I had many of my pages prominantly linked in FreeOnes --- i swear it was my only traffic partner next to google that gave me any sales. Freeones traffic was and im sure is even more valuable today.

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                                                              • NinjaSteve
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Dec 2003
                                                                • 11089
                                                                #166
                                                                I don't understand why we're not charging $50 for a monthly membership. Price needs to start going up. $39.99, $49.99, something like this would work. I mean shit, gyms charge $100 a month easily and I'm sure many people just pay without ever using it.

                                                                Higher prices mean higher payouts. I still see some places charging $19.99 which is a mistake in my opinion.
                                                                ...

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                                                                  • johannes
                                                                    VIP User
                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                    • 869
                                                                    #167
                                                                    I don't understand why we're not charging $50 for a monthly membership. Price needs to start going up. $39.99, $49.99, something like this would work. I mean shit, gyms charge $100 a month easily and I'm sure many people just pay without ever using it.
                                                                    I totally agree with that. We switched about 6 months ago to $38.80 per month and the ratios increased even after.

                                                                    Its funny to see all the jealousy on freeones - the interest is high for a business related topic with no naked chicks in it. As stated before already: smart move to do so from freeones - i can not really understand why this is such a big story now however.

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                                                                      • Klen
                                                                        • Aug 2006
                                                                        • 32234
                                                                        #168
                                                                        Well it can be done if payment proccessor fee is lesser then 15&#37;.Otherwise not.

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                                                                          • bigalownz
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Aug 2005
                                                                            • 1657
                                                                            #169
                                                                            I should do the same as free ones

                                                                            my profits have 1/2 over the last year

                                                                            it use to be us$ 40 cents to the nz $1 ($1 us = $2.20 nz)
                                                                            now its us$ 80+ cents to the nz $1 ($1 us = $1.20 nz)
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                                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                                Too old to care
                                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                                • 52942
                                                                                #170
                                                                                Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                                You're sence of logic / mathematics is retarded... whatever site will make them the most money in the end will be the one promoted...

                                                                                Off course they would promote the 1:200 one, that's not even a question.
                                                                                Exactly. You are not seeing my ironic statements. So tell Maurice it's 50%, spend the extra on great new content and see if he wants to move the traffic to a sponsor who performs worse.

                                                                                I'm so relieved you get what I'm trying to get over.

                                                                                This business has followed the logic of spend more and more sending more and more traffic for about 8 years. Well at least the I've been here. And what do we have to show for it?

                                                                                A minority sites that do something special, different or very well. They usually convert and retain well. Yes I'm sure you can point me to the exceptions.

                                                                                The majority of the sites have little to distinguish them from all the other sites in the same niche/style. Few convert or retain well. Yes they are full of exclusive content that is cloned on 90% of the other similar sites.

                                                                                So what's the answer?

                                                                                Send more traffic to sites that convert and retain worse and squeeze the sponsors for more money. Great logic guys.

                                                                                What ever you say you will never convince me that you guys have got it right. Because clearly if you did this part of the porn industry would be far stronger.

                                                                                FreeOnes is not about to go bankrupt.
                                                                                I don't know why you even said this. The email said they need the extra 10% to stay profitable. At least get that right. More fuzzy logic from you.



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                                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                    #171
                                                                                    Originally posted by NinjaSteve
                                                                                    I don't understand why we're not charging $50 for a monthly membership. Price needs to start going up. $39.99, $49.99, something like this would work. I mean shit, gyms charge $100 a month easily and I'm sure many people just pay without ever using it.

                                                                                    Higher prices mean higher payouts. I still see some places charging $19.99 which is a mistake in my opinion.
                                                                                    So try it and see how it works. Or are you saying we all up our prices?



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                                                                                      • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                        Ah My Balls
                                                                                        • Feb 2007
                                                                                        • 14311
                                                                                        #172
                                                                                        Do you ever answer emails?

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                                                                                          • XMaster
                                                                                            Poker Player
                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                            • 2945
                                                                                            #173
                                                                                            Dear freeones,

                                                                                            Sorry but since we're also based in Europe we cant raise our &#37;. However we provide true 50% recurring - and lot of love.
                                                                                            still moneyhere

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                                                                                              • Roald
                                                                                                SecretFriends.com
                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                • 27910
                                                                                                #174
                                                                                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                bla bla bla bla
                                                                                                Here you go Paul, they made a whole thread for you: Click here to read



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                                                                                                  • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                    • 51692
                                                                                                    #175
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                    This business has followed the logic of spend more and more sending more and more traffic for about 8 years. Well at least the I've been here. And what do we have to show for it?
                                                                                                    That's simply because you suck at it I guess... It's not because you failed at something that others can't succeed.

                                                                                                    Freeones are succesfull... hell I get 2.5 million page views a day and 99 % are type in surfer... we spent 5 years building the brand to get there, and we are still putting in way more effort promoting then expending the site.
                                                                                                    Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                    I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                      • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                                                        • 51692
                                                                                                        #176
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                        I don't know why you even said this. The email said they need the extra 10% to stay profitable. At least get that right. More fuzzy logic from you.
                                                                                                        Actually if you think they might go bankrupt you should be working at McDonalds...

                                                                                                        After that they made a statement saying the guy who wrote the message clearly didn't express the compagny's views well and that english wasn't his first language.

                                                                                                        Stop playing the retard dude... hell I don't even know if you're playing.
                                                                                                        Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                        I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                          • BradM
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Dec 2003
                                                                                                            • 3397
                                                                                                            #177
                                                                                                            Why does anyone respond to Markham? He's an insane old man. He can't even have a conversation in his head without making no sense and arguing with himself.

                                                                                                            I'm shocked this thread didn't turn into an argument about pottery after he was here.

                                                                                                            You're old and insane Paul, stop typing and go do something useful with your time.

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                                                                                                              • scottybuzz
                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                • May 2006
                                                                                                                • 14799
                                                                                                                #178
                                                                                                                freeones does have a point, the exchange rate is completely fucked. might start emailing my sponsors too for a bump, doubt i will get anywhere though lol
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                                                                                                                  • NinjaSteve
                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                    • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                    • 11089
                                                                                                                    #179
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by johannes
                                                                                                                    I totally agree with that. We switched about 6 months ago to $38.80 per month and the ratios increased even after.
                                                                                                                    Interesting, thanks for sharing.

                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                    So try it and see how it works. Or are you saying we all up our prices?
                                                                                                                    Yeah we should all up the prices.
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                                                                                                                      • dyna mo
                                                                                                                        just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                        • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                        • 68184
                                                                                                                        #180
                                                                                                                        is it still 70%?

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                                                                                                                          • Roald
                                                                                                                            SecretFriends.com
                                                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                                                            • 27910
                                                                                                                            #181
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                            is it still 70%?
                                                                                                                            Ah I was waiting for this to be bumped, thnx!!

                                                                                                                            If anyone reading this got something interesting to push please do hit me up. Even if you can't offer the 70% (there is your answer)


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