Dear Labret.
It's not ignorant. It's a reality.
Nobody cares who owned that land 2 or 3000 years ago.
It's 2002 now. Israel is there now and it's there to stay.
Whether you like it or not.
Whether or not you recognize it.
It's not a war of Palestinian desperation but part of long pattern of Palestinian self-destructiveness.
Just as there would have been no Palestinian refugee problem had the Palestinians not rejected the UN partition in 1947 and tried to destroy the newborn Jewish state...
Just as there would have been no Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza had the Arab world not tried again to destroy Israel in 1967.
I dont think your opinion matters too much.
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I dont defend anything.
Just dealing with reality.
Israel is there today right?
Tell me why germans dont send suicide bombers to Poland
these days? After all they lost big piece of land to Poland
after they lost WWII.
They owned that land. And not 2000 years ago, just short
60 years ago.
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Originally posted by Rose I dont defend anything.
Just dealing with reality.
Israel is there today right?
Tell me why germans dont send suicide bombers to Poland
these days? After all they lost big piece of land to Poland
after they lost WWII.
They owned that land. And not 2000 years ago, just short
60 years ago.
You are trying to compare the National Socialist platform from the 30s to what is essentially a Holy War?
Germany / Poland was a simple border dispute. How many of these are going on around the world today? Germans didnt believe that God gave them the land. You really cant see the difference? If the Germans themselves had their own religion, we will call it Germanism, and they believed that Poland was their Holy land, given to them by God... you bet your sweet ass they would probably be doing anything possible to rid the Polish plague from their holy land.
Arguing with you is nearly pointless because you are so absolutely clueless.
And about your border dispute.
There was no dispute. That land was a german land.
And you know why it's not anymore? Cause they lost the war.
Wars change borders. Just like 1967 Arab invasion of Israel
changed borders.
As I said wherther you like it or not Israel is there to stay.
What are you gonna do about it?
Bitch on some Porno Boards?
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Originally posted by Rose Holy War??????
Get a life...
The fact that you cant see the underlying causes of the dispute only further prove my point.
And about your border dispute.
There was no dispute. That land was a german land.
And you know why it's not anymore? Cause they lost the war.
Wars change borders. Just like 1967 Arab invasion of Israel
changed borders.
Like I said... border... dispute. You are trying to compare apples with oranges. Which has become plainly obvious is logical to you.
As I said wherther you like it or not Israel is there to stay.
What are you gonna do about it?
Bitch on some Porno Boards?
You may sit and bitch on a board... everytime a bus goes up in flames, I watch my financial contributions at work.
Labret, so you are just a keyboard warrior?
Full of shit?
We are still just a part of mother nature.
And remember. The strong survive.
And I dont think that Palestinians are too strong.
Brainwashed yes but not strong.
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Originally posted by Rose Labret, so you are just a keyboard warrior?
Full of shit?
We are still just a part of mother nature.
And remember. The strong survive.
And I dont think that Palestinians are too strong.
Brainwashed yes but not strong.
Ah yes, have had this debate before. Watching the ignorant try and apply evolutionay principle to things it should not be. Rose... fire up your AOL browser and go search for a much laughed at theory called "social darwinism". Which is what you are advocating. I cant say I am all that much surprised.
As for the Palestinians being weak. Like you enjoy pointing out so eloquently in your past dribblings, its rocks versus tanks. How about we even the odds and see what happens?
Using Roses social darwinism theory, it can be said that... women are below men because they are weak and belong there. If I cross the bridge and shoot rose in the face and burn her house down... she lost it because she was weak. Blacks and Natives are currently enjoying their rightful place in society.
As for the Palestinians being weak. Like you enjoy pointing out so eloquently in your past dribblings, its rocks versus tanks. How about we even the odds and see what happens?
Yes they are weak. They (and people like you) try to destroy
Israel for the last 50 years. Having just the stones proves that they are weak.
Labret Labret, 50 years and israel today is stronger than ever.
Really there is nothing you can do about it. Just live with it.
You are not important. World dont give a shit that in Detroit
some guy called Labret exists. You can kick and scream and post your Nazi BS on every board you know. Nothing is gonna change.
World keeps turning with or without you.
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We are still just a part of mother nature.
And remember. The strong survive.
And I dont think that Palestinians are too strong.
Brainwashed yes but not strong.
Do you not recall the image of those burning twin towers?
They can have Israel, but leave our fucking country alone.
Yes they are weak. They (and people like you) try to destroy
Israel for the last 50 years. Having just the stones proves that they are weak.
ahahahah ahahhahaah hahahahah
Labret Labret, 50 years and israel today is stronger than ever.
Hmmm could it have anything to do with the billions of dollars in aid and military equipment we give them every year?
No.
Israel is an American welfare state. Without us... they die.
Really there is nothing you can do about it. Just live with it.
You are not important. World dont give a shit that in Detroit
some guy called Labret exists. You can kick and scream and post your Nazi BS on every board you know. Nothing is gonna change.
World keeps turning with or without you.
Uhm... ok.
And likewise, the world will just have to live with the contributions of a small time illiterate female internet pornographer who likes to use her high school education to contemplate and develop solutions to the worlds social and political problems.
I will dedicate my next contribution under Roses name.
Originally posted by Rose .... I dont believe in God.
Organized religion is only for weak people.
Rose,
I often agree with you but this is a very pompous thing to say.
If some people have a different opinion about God than you , it doesn't mean that they MUST be weak , or stupid , or corrupt .
It only means that they have a different opinion .
Rose,
I often agree with you but this is a very pompous thing to say.
If some people have a different opinion about God than you , it doesn't mean that they MUST be weak , or stupid , or corrupt .
It only means that they have a different opinion .
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mijoon
Yes it is just my opinion.
I dont need God in my life, but if someone does It's OK
with me.
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Originally posted by Rose Do you not recall the image of those burning twin towers?
They can have Israel, but leave our fucking country alone.
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Thats what Neville Chamberlain told Hitler in Munich.
Only difference it wasnt Israel but Czechoslovakia in 1938.
It didnt help them much, did it?
I looked up some info on this agreement and the events surrounding it.
Eden, Neville's "Foreign Secretary" as well as his "Head of State" Benes resigned before and were and against the Munich Agreement, why did Neville go against his own people to side with Hitler?
here's his statement in support of his alliance with hitler.
"We, the German Führer and Chancellor and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for the two countries and for Europe.
We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as Symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again. We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries. "
30th of September 1938
Why would he continue agreements with Hitler when France and Chech and France (Daladier) had already told Hitler his plans were unacceptable?
I looked up some info on this agreement and the events surrounding it.
Eden, Neville's "Foreign Secretary" as well as his "Head of State" Benes resigned before and were and against the Munich Agreement, why did Neville go against his own people to side with Hitler?
here's his statement in support of his alliance with hitler.
"We, the German Führer and Chancellor and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for the two countries and for Europe.
We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as Symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again. We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries. "
30th of September 1938
Why would he continue agreements with Hitler when France and Chech and France (Daladier) had already told Hitler his plans were unacceptablle
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I dont understand your point. E
"Eden, Neville's "Foreign Secretary" as well as his "Head of State" Benes resigned before and were and against the Munich Agreement, why did Neville go against his own people to side with Hitler?"
Benes was not Neville's Head of State.
Benes was president of Czechoslovakia.
And UK and France sold Czechoslovakia to Hitler.
They didnt ask Czechoslovaks what they think about that.
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Originally posted by Rose I looked up some info on this agreement and the events surrounding it.
Eden, Neville's "Foreign Secretary" as well as his "Head of State" Benes resigned before and were and against the Munich Agreement, why did Neville go against his own people to side with Hitler?
here's his statement in support of his alliance with hitler.
"We, the German Führer and Chancellor and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for the two countries and for Europe.
We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as Symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again. We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries. "
30th of September 1938
Why would he continue agreements with Hitler when France and Chech and France (Daladier) had already told Hitler his plans were unacceptablle
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I dont understand your point. E
"Eden, Neville's "Foreign Secretary" as well as his "Head of State" Benes resigned before and were and against the Munich Agreement, why did Neville go against his own people to side with Hitler?"
Benes was not Neville's Head of State.
Benes was president of Czechoslovakia.
And UK and France sold Czechoslovakia to Hitler.
They didnt ask Czechoslovaks what they think about that.
From what I am reading it says benes was Czech head Of State, I misread it as Nevilles head of state, nonetheless.
Your Chewbacca defense is amazing.
Keep changing the subject.
I didnt say they asked the Czechs what they thought.
I said they had a meeting about this.
"In September 1938, Neville Chamberlain, the British prime minister, met Hitler at his home in Berchtesgaden. Hitler threatened to invade Czechoslovakia unless Britain supported Germany's plans to takeover the Sudetenland. After discussing the issue with the Edouard Daladier (France) and Eduard Benes (Czechoslovakia), Chamberlain informed Hitler that his proposals were unacceptable. "
Originally posted by Rose Fletch XXX
BTW Benes wasnt invited to Munich.
Of course he wasn't he aopposed the agreement. Along with Winston Churchill and Anthony Eden.
"On 29th September, 1938, Chamberlain, Adolf Hitler, Edouard Daladier and Benito Mussolini signed the Munich Agreement which transferred to Germany the Sudetenland, a fortified frontier region that contained a large German-speaking population."
"On 29th September, 1938, Chamberlain, Adolf Hitler, Edouard Daladier and Benito Mussolini signed the Munich Agreement which transferred to Germany the Sudetenland, a fortified frontier region that contained a large German-speaking population."
Yes in other words Czechoslovakia was betrayed by UK and France.
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Originally posted by Rose "On 29th September, 1938, Chamberlain, Adolf Hitler, Edouard Daladier and Benito Mussolini signed the Munich Agreement which transferred to Germany the Sudetenland, a fortified frontier region that contained a large German-speaking population."
Yes in other words Czechoslovakia was betrayed by UK and France.
Again Chewbacca Defense.
You are as weak as the people you persecute or whine to defend.
You are as weak as the people you persecute or whine to defend.
Step off that soap box.
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WTF are you talking about.
It is obvious you dont have a clue what happened in Munich.
And you dont have a clue about military pact
Czechoslovakia had with UK and France before Munich.
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Why would he continue agreements with Hitler when France and Chech and France (Daladier) had already told Hitler his plans were unacceptable?
Ya, they told Hitler its unacceptable, than sold Suddets to him and after returh, fucking Chamberlain said:
"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time...
Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."
Munich was the ultimate British diplomatic disaster.
The best time to stop Hitler was a rhineland.the second best was munich. Germans would face minimum of three armies french,Czech and british.with bit of luck the other allies of Czechoslovaks would come in to play as well (Yugoslavia and Romania and maybe even Russia). Now Czechs had at that time very capable army, well fortified borders and very good armaments industry. Mobilized Czechoslovakia had 300 000
troops at the border with Germany.Czech tanks were better than the German. Also the front line would be in the mountains.Mountains are not very high but still difficult for a army to pass if as it was the case the defenders hold the high ground and are well fortified.czech air force had very skilled pilots and planes of reasonable quality.(and i do recommend seeing the DARK BLUE WORLD movie)so i am pretty sure that had the British and french stuck to their guns and put their foot down the Hitler would not fight not in 1938. Hitler would be denied access to Czech armament industry and Czech arms and would decently not be ready to start the war when he did.
England paid a big price for Chamnberlain's folly...
In 1938, german army was not strong and had to really on horses for most of its transport.its tanks were very light panzers 1 and 2,and even these were not available in sufficiently large numbers.luftwafe might looked scary but i would like to point to the fact that the prototypes of spitfire me-109 and hurricane flew at proximately the same time the spitfire even earlier than me-109 i think
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No this thread was about Cubiclehadeen warrior Labret
jerking off to the article named "Israel faces 'mega-terror' attacks, Sharon warned" and trying to impress the others how rich and educated he is. And something about his Holy war also.
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Originally posted by Rose The best time to stop Hitler was a rhineland.the second best was munich. Germans would face minimum of three armies french,Czech and british.with bit of luck the other allies of Czechoslovaks would come in to play as well (Yugoslavia and Romania and maybe even Russia).
When war came in 1939 there was a very half-hearted offensive campaign against Germany from the west. With that in mind I don't think Czechoslovakia really stood a chance. The deal that was done might just have been the only really plausible hope for them. But with someone of the mindset of Hitler, compromise is weakness. You can see that in Saddam Hussein today.
Now back to the topic in hand.
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When war came in 1939 there was a very half-hearted offensive campaign against Germany from the west. With that in mind I don't think Czechoslovakia really stood a chance. The deal that was done might just have been the only really plausible hope for them. But with someone of the mindset of Hitler, compromise is weakness. You can see that in Saddam Hussein today.
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Not really true. In 1938 the Russians offered help to Czechoslovakia. ( Sadly it was only them)
Russia viewed the rise of Nazi Germany with great concern
at that time. They tried to create an anti-Nazi coalition during the period leading up to the Munich crisis. They declared a willingness to assist Czechoslovakia and go to war with the Third Reich, provided that either Poland or Romania allowed the Red Army transit rights through their territory and Britain and France also went to war.
One year after Munich, Britain and France were at war with the Third Reich anyway while the Russia abandoned its pro-western policy in favor of signing the Nazi-Soviet Pact.
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