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  • srockhard
    Retired
    • Jul 2011
    • 1976

    #1

    Epoch, CCBill or Netbilling?

    If you could only choose one which would it be and why? Processing needed for paysites, VOD chip purchases and adult novelty items.
    Piper Pines
  • Sly
    Let's do some business!
    • Sep 2004
    • 31376

    #2
    Netbilling does not fit in that group. Not because anything is wrong with them, but because it's a different structure. You might want to look into that more before making a decision.
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    • venus
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2003
      • 3112

      #3
      netbilling, I use them, they provide merchant accounts
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      • srockhard
        Retired
        • Jul 2011
        • 1976

        #4
        Originally posted by Sly
        Netbilling does not fit in that group. Not because anything is wrong with them, but because it's a different structure. You might want to look into that more before making a decision.
        I suppose I should have titled it "Epoch, CCBill or Merchant Account"
        Piper Pines

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        • Harmik
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2003
          • 209

          #5
          If you need any help or questions answered, please don't hesitate to contact me.
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          • Rochard
            Jägermeister Test Pilot
            • Dec 2001
            • 75733

            #6
            I would use all three. Can't imagine where you could only use one.
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            Brooklyn, NY

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            • SiMpLe
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2002
              • 3221

              #7
              Agreed with Rochard - You really need to cascade to optimize and protect yourself, never have your eggs in one basket.
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              • mavruda
                porn cartoonist
                • Feb 2007
                • 2597

                #8
                I use both of them at same time / Epoch and CCbill.

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                • lagcam
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 2890

                  #9
                  I also would never recommend using just one processor, but if you really can only have one, from that list, epoch are for me the clear winners as they allow you to offer by far the widest range of payment options to customers.
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                  • Look Chang
                    Voyeur
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 18256

                    #10
                    CCBill for sure

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                    • Evil Chris
                      OG
                      • Dec 2001
                      • 13248

                      #11
                      I can provide information on merchant accounts through Payze and the many benefits of it both in time and money savings.


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                      • kcampbell1
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 100

                        #12
                        How about OrbitalPay?

                        We offer direct merchant accounts, gateway and 24/7 support for all you billing needs.

                        Please contact me directly so we can discuss a customized solution to fit your billing needs. [email protected] or 888-776-8801 x 216
                        Karen Campbell
                        VP
                        OrbitalPay/GET

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                        • Roby
                          Confirmed User
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 8035

                          #13
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                          • adultmobile
                            No, I am not banned
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 5345

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SiMpLe
                            Agreed with Rochard - You really need to cascade to optimize and protect yourself, never have your eggs in one basket.
                            Yes use a few, I used to have 6 billers then I removed a couple.

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                            • Evil Chris
                              OG
                              • Dec 2001
                              • 13248

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SiMpLe
                              Agreed with Rochard - You really need to cascade to optimize and protect yourself, never have your eggs in one basket.
                              I agree with you Sean. My only caveat being to make sure your biggest basket belongs to you and not someone else.


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                              • Jeffne
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 141

                                #16
                                I say CCBill, however, I may be a little bias If you do have any specific questions about our services please do not hesitate to email me or call 480 422-2051


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                                • bean-aid
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Jun 2011
                                  • 16493

                                  #17
                                  One thing to consider... if you do have to pay the high risk fee you mine as well go with Netbilling, because that fee is suppose to be *PER* merchant. Meaning, you do not pay epoch again, you do not pay ccbill again, etc. etc. and you can still use them. So if somehow you conclude Epoch is best for you... you pay whatever high risk fee, then if you wanted to go netbilling you'd have to pay it again (probably), same with ccbill.

                                  Maybe you are lucky and can get that fee waived all together.

                                  If you set your scrub low on your MID I don't really see the point of sending to a third party. To each his own. I would rather open another MID to spread money around.

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                                  • bean-aid
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Jun 2011
                                    • 16493

                                    #18
                                    ^reference to what I said:

                                    http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19530611&postcount=9

                                    If you have a merchant account, you can use as many backups as you want to and only pay the fees once.

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                                    • wendy739
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Nov 2007
                                      • 196

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by beaner
                                      ^reference to what I said:

                                      http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19530611&postcount=9

                                      If you have a merchant account, you can use as many backups as you want to and only pay the fees once.
                                      In this post Mitch was referring to each processor not account. You will need to pay the HR fee per merchant account and IPSP account. He was talking about using a single merchant account with different payment gateways.

                                      If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.
                                      Last edited by wendy739; 04-30-2014, 01:37 PM.
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                                      • bean-aid
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Jun 2011
                                        • 16493

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by wendy739
                                        In this post Mitch was referring to each processor not account. You will need to pay the HR fee per merchant account and IPSP account. He was talking about using a single merchant account with different payment gateways.

                                        If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.
                                        So, for instance, fee paid for merchant account could use ecsuites for payment gateway (which is basically CCBill) and not pay the fee again, correct?

                                        Doesn't epoch work as a payment gateway (processor) as well? I see no reason, at all, that you would have a merchant account and then want an IPSP as well. There is only 2 reasons to cascade, to spread out money or hope that first denial turns into a successful transaction. And you obviously would want that cascade to go to another processor using a different bank. All of that can be accomplished by using different *payment gateways* which hopefully uses a different bank, and only pay the fee associated with the merchant account.

                                        The only reasons people talk about using CCBill, then cascading to Epoch, or wherever, is what I mentioned above. I think it is important people realize the difference between an IPSP and simply a billing processor. Because bottom line, they do not need IPSP accounts to cascade and throw money around using different banks.

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                                        • fitzmulti
                                          I Like Depth Of Field!
                                          • Jan 2003
                                          • 14861

                                          #21
                                          CCBILL non stop for the last decade.


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                                          • NETbilling
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jan 2002
                                            • 8598

                                            #22
                                            We are very happy to help and promise to save you money and give you ultimate control over your processing.

                                            16 years and stronger than ever - NETbilling.

                                            Thanks, Mitch


                                            Mitch Farber
                                            CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                            Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                            Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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                                            • srockhard
                                              Retired
                                              • Jul 2011
                                              • 1976

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by NETbilling
                                              We are very happy to help and promise to save you money and give you ultimate control over your processing.

                                              16 years and stronger than ever - NETbilling.

                                              Thanks, Mitch
                                              Mitch I was talking to Wendy today and hope have things figured out in the next 24-48 hours ;) ...Looking forward to working with you and your service!
                                              Piper Pines

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                                              • NETbilling
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jan 2002
                                                • 8598

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by srockhard
                                                Mitch I was talking to Wendy today and hope have things figured out in the next 24-48 hours ;) ...Looking forward to working with you and your service!
                                                Absolutely!


                                                Mitch Farber
                                                CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                                Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                                Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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                                                • NETbilling
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                  • 8598

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by beaner
                                                  So, for instance, fee paid for merchant account could use ecsuites for payment gateway (which is basically CCBill) and not pay the fee again, correct?

                                                  Doesn't epoch work as a payment gateway (processor) as well? I see no reason, at all, that you would have a merchant account and then want an IPSP as well. There is only 2 reasons to cascade, to spread out money or hope that first denial turns into a successful transaction. And you obviously would want that cascade to go to another processor using a different bank. All of that can be accomplished by using different *payment gateways* which hopefully uses a different bank, and only pay the fee associated with the merchant account.

                                                  The only reasons people talk about using CCBill, then cascading to Epoch, or wherever, is what I mentioned above. I think it is important people realize the difference between an IPSP and simply a billing processor. Because bottom line, they do not need IPSP accounts to cascade and throw money around using different banks.
                                                  Hi,

                                                  Wendy got u up to speed, yes?

                                                  Thanks, Mitch


                                                  Mitch Farber
                                                  CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                                  Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                                  Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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                                                  • bean-aid
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Jun 2011
                                                    • 16493

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by NETbilling
                                                    Hi,

                                                    Wendy got u up to speed, yes?

                                                    Thanks, Mitch
                                                    She didn't email me about that topic, but I am not really concerned about what company performs what function in the billing process. I just think it is important to note that you do not need to pay a yearly high risk fee simply to cascade to another solution.

                                                    p.s. do you have at least 2 banks for US customers to use in a cascade? Can a US customer billing say 5K per month cascade to an overseas bank?

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                                                    • NETbilling
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                      • 8598

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by beaner
                                                      She didn't email me about that topic, but I am not really concerned about what company performs what function in the billing process. I just think it is important to note that you do not need to pay a yearly high risk fee simply to cascade to another solution.

                                                      p.s. do you have at least 2 banks for US customers to use in a cascade? Can a US customer billing say 5K per month cascade to an overseas bank?
                                                      Hi,

                                                      Yes we work with a few US banks. A small client will not be able to get an offshore high risk merchant account.


                                                      Mitch Farber
                                                      CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                                      Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                                      Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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                                                      • srockhard
                                                        Retired
                                                        • Jul 2011
                                                        • 1976

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by NETbilling
                                                        Hi,

                                                        Wendy got u up to speed, yes?

                                                        Thanks, Mitch
                                                        Wendy is waiting for response from merchant account bank I think...my application is filled out for the most part.
                                                        Piper Pines

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