Someone explain all this Tibet / China nonsense to me (im ignorant)

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  • Myst
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    • Feb 2004
    • 4708

    #1

    Someone explain all this Tibet / China nonsense to me (im ignorant)

    Sounds to me like China owned Tibet back in the day, Tibet is pissed off and causing a ruckus today. Do I have the jist?
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  • spunkmister
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    • Jun 2006
    • 1362

    #2
    Originally posted by Myst
    Sounds to me like China owned Tibet back in the day, Tibet is pissed off and causing a ruckus today. Do I have the jist?
    China invaded Tibet in 1950 or 51 cant remember off the top of my head, and as you can imagine the Chinese army was too much a force for the Tibetians to resist.

    In the last 10 or more years China has built major railways, roads etc into Tibet and pretty much has started to flood it with northern Chinese, and as a Tibetian you are a second class citizen and add that to the opression of their religion and culture and you get some pissed off people.

    Oh and chanting "Free Tibet" is currently the in thing...

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    • tony299
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      • Aug 2002
      • 57021

      #3
      We only care to bring democracy to countries that dont own a big chunk of our debt.

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      • spunkmister
        Confirmed User
        • Jun 2006
        • 1362

        #4
        Originally posted by tony404
        We only care to bring democracy to countries that dont own a big chunk of our debt.
        or use an event....um lets say, the Olympics....to drum up support and boycots from the rest of the world, but sweep the issue under the rug as soon as the closing ceremonies are completed....

        I hope the next Olympics are held in Darfur.

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        • halfpint
          GFY's Halfpint
          • Jun 2007
          • 15223

          #5
          Originally posted by spunkmister

          In the last 10 or more years China has built major railways, roads etc into Tibet and pretty much has started to flood it with northern Chinese, and as a Tibetian you are a second class citizen and add that to the opression of their religion and culture and you get some pissed off people.
          You could say Australia has done the same thing with the Aborigines. The USA has done the same thing with the native Indians and the UK did the same thing with Zimbabwa in the Rodeshian bush war. Most countrys have done this and then treated the natives as second class citizens.

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          • papill0n
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            • Oct 2007
            • 15547

            #6
            Originally posted by spunkmister
            China invaded Tibet in 1950 or 51 cant remember off the top of my head, and as you can imagine the Chinese army was too much a force for the Tibetians to resist.

            In the last 10 or more years China has built major railways, roads etc into Tibet and pretty much has started to flood it with northern Chinese, and as a Tibetian you are a second class citizen and add that to the opression of their religion and culture and you get some pissed off people.

            Oh and chanting "Free Tibet" is currently the in thing...
            nice summary spunkmister

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            • spunkmister
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2006
              • 1362

              #7
              Originally posted by halfpint
              You could say Australia has done the same thing with the Aborigines. The USA has done the same thing with the native Indians and the UK did the same thing with Zimbabwa in the Rodeshian bush war. Most countrys have done this and then treated the natives as second class citizens.
              Yes but this topic was about Tibet and China...

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              • halfpint
                GFY's Halfpint
                • Jun 2007
                • 15223

                #8
                Originally posted by spunkmister
                Yes but this topic was about Tibet and China...
                Yes, guess I was just trying to say that China is doing what almost every other country has done in the past

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                • The Judge
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                  • Jan 2006
                  • 1647

                  #9
                  Is simple, folks hate Chinese but it ain't politically correct so they use the Tibet issue to bash the Chinese while in reality most don't give a rat's ass about Tibetians.

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                  • Odin
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                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2545

                    #10
                    Originally posted by halfpint
                    Yes, guess I was just trying to say that China is doing what almost every other country has done in the past
                    One is in the past, one is happening now. I do agree though, China isn't doing anything worse than a lot of countries. How many nations suppress separatists at present? And how many do we support? The Kurds come to mind. Seems a bit hypocritical if our Governments start condemning them, though I certainly expect nothing less from the leftist crowds.
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                    • spunkmister
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jun 2006
                      • 1362

                      #11
                      Originally posted by The Judge
                      Is simple, folks hate Chinese but it ain't politically correct so they use the Tibet issue to bash the Chinese while in reality most don't give a rat's ass about Tibetians.
                      again if it wasn't for the Olympics we wouldn't be having this discussion....and once the Olympics are over the same people will be back in line at Walmart saving money on those evil Chinese made goods.

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                      • spunkmister
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                        • Jun 2006
                        • 1362

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Chief
                        One is in the past, one is happening now. I do agree though, China isn't doing anything worse than a lot of countries. How many nations suppress separatists at present? And how many do we support? The Kurds come to mind. Seems a bit hypocritical if our Governments start condemning them, though I certainly expect nothing less from the leftist crowds.
                        yes how people forget that not too long ago the British Empire made second class citizens of half the world.

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                        • Vendot
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                          • May 2002
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                          #13
                          If you chant "Free Tibet" you could be as cool as Richard Gere.

                          Also wear a t-shirt and cry and start causing chaos in London.... then youll be cool and hippies will hang with you
                          "In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act." - George Orwell

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                          • Myst
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                            • Feb 2004
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                            #14
                            Alright so why are there so many assholes proclaiming their love for China when it looks like China is in the wrong here?
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                            • Odin
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                              • Jan 2004
                              • 2545

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Myst
                              Alright so why are there so many assholes proclaiming their love for China when it looks like China is in the wrong here?
                              No love for China from me. Just really don't care about the Tibetan separatist cause more than any other. Want to find a separatist cause to care about? Look closer to home. Maybe you could focus on Quebec
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                              • DamianJ
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jul 2006
                                • 15808

                                #16
                                Originally posted by tony404
                                We only care to bring democracy to countries that dont own a big chunk of our debt.
                                Or have any oil.

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                                • spunkmister
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jun 2006
                                  • 1362

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Myst
                                  Alright so why are there so many assholes proclaiming their love for China when it looks like China is in the wrong here?
                                  I live in Asia and have visited China many times, and seen what good things the country can offer...the majority of people on here who critize the country have never been there and havnt seen that if you take away the politics the average Chinese person on the street is just living their life, just like any other citizen around the world.

                                  Unfortunately the actions of their government reflects poorly on the people, but the people in power have done a good job (sad to say) of keeping the average Chinese person in the dark and only tell them what they need to hear. But don't take their ignorance to mean that they don't love their country, they are fiercly loyal to China and will tell you as much if you ask....they may not be that enthuastic about their government but the love and pride for their country is undeniable....atleast that has been my experience in the last 5-6 years that I have travelled there.

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                                  • spunkmister
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jun 2006
                                    • 1362

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Myst
                                    Alright so why are there so many assholes proclaiming their love for China when it looks like China is in the wrong here?
                                    not defending Chinas foriegn policy, but they are no more wrong than any other country that has ever invaded and claimed soverignty over another country...they are just a bit more undiplomatic about it.

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                                    • V_RocKs
                                      Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                      • Nov 2003
                                      • 32451

                                      #19
                                      China has owned Tibet for like... ever... They own it. They don't have to give it back.

                                      That is how the world works.

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                                      • Verbal
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Dec 2001
                                        • 3420

                                        #20
                                        Thanks for that helpful bit of insight Paris.

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