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  • Socks
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    • May 2002
    • 8475
    #1

    FBI Raid on Polygamists - Now 401 Children Taken

    Also 133 left the ranch voluntarily to be with their children.

    Fucking sick bastards! I wonder how much child porn they're going to find

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/08/....ap/index.html
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    • Socks
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      • May 2002
      • 8475
      #2
      "By Monday, state authorities had taken legal custody of 401 children, saying they had been harmed or were in imminent danger of harm."

      Grrrrrr it's even worse.. They've taken them all for good it seems, state owns them now. Can't believe the government let these people get away with this kind of shit for so long, they've known for like a decade what was going on. :/

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        • fluffygrrl
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          • May 2006
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          #3
          Who needs child porn there.

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            • Madame0120
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              • Nov 2004
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              #4
              Jesus on a dino! All those kids? That's a .. pardon the pun .. a shit load of TP!

              Man, gona take a year to sort them all out.
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                • Eriic
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                  • Jan 2008
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                  #5
                  I use to live there, I left when they wanted me to be engaged to my three year old cousin and I was 25 at the time and I am now 46

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                    • BradM
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                      • Dec 2003
                      • 3397
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Eriic
                      I use to live there, I left when they wanted me to be engaged to my three year old cousin and I was 25 at the time and I am now 46
                      You serious?? shit

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                        • Socks
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                          • May 2002
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                          #7
                          3, + 21... 24... Amish...

                          You got her number still?

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                            • SexualDragon
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                              • Aug 2006
                              • 3038
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Socks
                              Can't believe the government let these people get away with this kind of shit for so long, they've known for like a decade what was going on. :/
                              I have wondered the same thing
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                                • directfiesta
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                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 30174
                                  #9
                                  Fucking Muslims Iranians ....

















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                                  BTW, which state ????
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                                    • Jai
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                                      • May 2005
                                      • 6915
                                      #10
                                      i wish i cud pull a resident evil on this shit and eliminate this trash

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                                        • kane
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                                          • Aug 2001
                                          • 20684
                                          #11
                                          Stories like this make me wonder. These people were raided and the kids were taken and rightfully so. However a few weeks ago there was a story where parents let their 11 year old daughter die. She had diabetes, but instead of taking her to a doctor they just prayed and when she died they said it was because their faith wasn't strong enough. Officials have decided not to charge the parents and that the other three kids they have were not in danger so they could stay in the house. What is the difference? A kid being forced to marry at 16 is bad, but is it worse then letting your kid die because jesus didn't heal her?

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                                            • [db]
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                                              #12
                                              This is fucked up if true, but remember, this is the government telling us this. They said basically the same thing about Waco but it all turned out to be made up to justify the government massacre of innocent religious nuts. I'm not saying it's not true, I don't know, but always be skeptical when your government tells you something outrageous.

                                              The 'Saddam Hussein is going to launch a WMD attack against the USA' meme comes to mind.
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                                                • Spunky
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                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                  • 133978
                                                  #13
                                                  Probably better off in the long run for those poor kids. horrible

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                                                    • moeloubani
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                                                      #14
                                                      No need to go in there and rip apart families, they would have been much better off going in there and talking to people one by one and asking them if they wanted help leaving, what if some of the people liked it?

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                                                        • Gerco
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                                                          #15
                                                          Religion is like a virus that makes stupid people stupider. How many people has Porn really hurt... How many people has religion hurt. Stealing your money selling you a dream.It's GREAT for the government. Once a sheep always a sheep.
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                                                            • rip raster
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                                                              #16
                                                              the thing is that most of these people have been brainwashed, oppressed and sheltered from the truth their entire lives and in many cases over generations so everything that they know or believe in has been taught to them in order to benefit those in power. Many of these people are so far gone that they will never be able to live a normal life. Their reality is so far from the truth that to accept the fact that their beliefs are false often will lead to a complete mental breakdown, and they will basically be stuck in some obscure place where they don't know what is real and what is not. It's really quite sad if you think about it.

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                                                                • Gerco
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by rip raster
                                                                  the thing is that most of these people have been brainwashed, oppressed and sheltered from the truth their entire lives and in many cases over generations so everything that they know or believe in has been taught to them in order to benefit those in power. Many of these people are so far gone that they will never be able to live a normal life. Their reality is so far from the truth that to accept the fact that their beliefs are false often will lead to a complete mental breakdown, and they will basically be stuck in some obscure place where they don't know what is real and what is not. It's really quite sad if you think about it.
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                                                                    • fluffygrrl
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                                                                      • May 2006
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by rip raster
                                                                      the thing is that most of these people have been brainwashed, oppressed and sheltered from the truth their entire lives and in many cases over generations so everything that they know or believe in has been taught to them in order to benefit those in power.
                                                                      How's this different for them than for everyone else ?

                                                                      Other than because a DIFFERENT power structure exploits them than the one exploiting you, that is.

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                                                                        • rip raster
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                                                                          • 2851
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by fluffygrrl
                                                                          How's this different for them than for everyone else ?

                                                                          Other than because a DIFFERENT power structure exploits them than the one exploiting you, that is.
                                                                          The difference is that I don't have to accept everything that the power structure/government tells me as absolute. I can gather facts from multiple sources and form my own opinion based on my findings. I along with the rest of the free thinking public have that choice to believe or not believe whereas the people in those type of cults don't have a choice.

                                                                          So I guess you could say that the basic difference would be independent free thought and the choice to have an opinion of your own that differs from others in the community.

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                                                                            • Odin
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                              Religion is like a virus that makes stupid people stupider. How many people has Porn really hurt... How many people has religion hurt. Stealing your money selling you a dream.It's GREAT for the government. Once a sheep always a sheep.
                                                                              How many lives has the degeneration of our society cost? Lets be honest here. Religion can certainly be a virus that prevents progress, but so to can our decadence and degeneration of culture be a virus that harms people and society in a similar way. Porn alone isn't responsible for it certainly, but it does contribute.
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                                                                                • GetSCORECash
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                                                                                  Don't you guys think the government knew about this prior to the raid. As to what was going on in that place. Do they really need to have one 16 year old come out of the camp and say hey I was raped for them to have a reason to go in.

                                                                                  It's like nobody at the FBI gave a shit, untill some child made a reference to being raped. Did the FBI decide at that point, oh shit now we need to do something about this?
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                                                                                    • V_RocKs
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                                                                                      • Nov 2003
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by kane
                                                                                      Stories like this make me wonder. These people were raided and the kids were taken and rightfully so. However a few weeks ago there was a story where parents let their 11 year old daughter die. She had diabetes, but instead of taking her to a doctor they just prayed and when she died they said it was because their faith wasn't strong enough. Officials have decided not to charge the parents and that the other three kids they have were not in danger so they could stay in the house. What is the difference? A kid being forced to marry at 16 is bad, but is it worse then letting your kid die because jesus didn't heal her?
                                                                                      Believe it or not, humans are not divine creatures. We don't all have a right to live anymore than a wild animal does.

                                                                                      The longer we stop the process of weeding out genetic mutations not helpful for the species the worse off we will become. Eventually we will all be allergic to some lamer shit like I dunno, Oxygen and die enmass.

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                                                                                        • kane
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                                                                                          • Aug 2001
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                                          Believe it or not, humans are not divine creatures. We don't all have a right to live anymore than a wild animal does.

                                                                                          The longer we stop the process of weeding out genetic mutations not helpful for the species the worse off we will become. Eventually we will all be allergic to some lamer shit like I dunno, Oxygen and die enmass.
                                                                                          So this means that a kid who is 11 and is reliant on her parents for everything deserves to die? So we just leave someone like Hawking to die because he is physically not as strong as everyone else? I have always thought part of our evolution is our ability to create medicine to keep us alive and healthy and able to thrive despite some medical issues.

                                                                                          I don't think everyone deserves to live and maybe the gene pool is getting thick, but if we go back to just letting everyone who is sick die we find ourselves taking a big step back on the evolutionary scale.

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                                                                                            • kane
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                              • 20684
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by kane
                                                                                              So this means that a kid who is 11 and is reliant on her parents for everything deserves to die? So we just leave someone like Hawking to die because he is physically not as strong as everyone else? I have always thought part of our evolution is our ability to create medicine to keep us alive and healthy and able to thrive despite some medical issues.

                                                                                              I don't think everyone deserves to live and maybe the gene pool is getting thick, but if we go back to just letting everyone who is sick die we find ourselves taking a big step back on the evolutionary scale.
                                                                                              Oh, and the main part of my original post was that it seemed odd to me that these religious whack jobs were wrong, but the family that lets their kid die because they prayed instead of taking her to a doctor are not wrong. It really had nothing to do with survival of the fittest.

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                                                                                                • PowerCum
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                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                                  • 1328
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by rip raster
                                                                                                  The difference is that I don't have to accept everything that the power structure/government tells me as absolute. I can gather facts from multiple sources and form my own opinion based on my findings. I along with the rest of the free thinking public have that choice to believe or not believe whereas the people in those type of cults don't have a choice.

                                                                                                  So I guess you could say that the basic difference would be independent free thought and the choice to have an opinion of your own that differs from others in the community.
                                                                                                  Their power structure says "Pray to God". Your power structure says "Pay taxes".
                                                                                                  Try not paying taxes and your power structure will crush you the same way as their power structure will crush them if they don't pray all they have to pray. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, the power structure mandates you to do it... and YOU ACTUALLY DO IT.

                                                                                                  You think you are "free" thinking being? Try thinking about not paying taxes to the IRS... I know you already do it. Now stop paying your taxes and you will be really free... for a short time
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                                                                                                    • Stephen McTowelie
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                                                                                                      • Nov 2006
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by PowerCum
                                                                                                      Their power structure says "Pray to God". Your power structure says "Pay taxes".
                                                                                                      Try not paying taxes and your power structure will crush you the same way as their power structure will crush them if they don't pray all they have to pray. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, the power structure mandates you to do it... and YOU ACTUALLY DO IT.

                                                                                                      You think you are "free" thinking being? Try thinking about not paying taxes to the IRS... I know you already do it. Now stop paying your taxes and you will be really free... for a short time
                                                                                                      Are you seriously comparing paying taxes to a young kid being forced to marry a sick fuck 30-40 years older ?
                                                                                                      I also would like to know why if the FBI knew about this place they did nt do anything till now, but then again you do love a good cult in the US
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                                                                                                        • Manowar
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                                                                                                          • Dec 2003
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          401 kids, god damn that is a lot

                                                                                                          good to know they are safe

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                                                                                                            • chopstick
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                              ...kid die because jesus didn't heal her?
                                                                                                              Imaginary Characters Live in Story Books and Fairy Tales. They don't heal people.

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                                                                                                                • chopstick
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by [db]
                                                                                                                  This is fucked up if true, but remember, this is the government telling us this. They said basically the same thing about Waco but it all turned out to be made up to justify the government massacre of innocent religious nuts. I'm not saying it's not true, I don't know, but always be skeptical when your government tells you something outrageous.

                                                                                                                  The 'Saddam Hussein is going to launch a WMD attack against the USA' meme comes to mind.
                                                                                                                  Good point - This IS a CNN report and we know they're in the pocket.
                                                                                                                  The TV only tells you what they want you to know, not what really happened.

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                                                                                                                    • chopstick
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by rip raster
                                                                                                                      the thing is that most of these people have been brainwashed, oppressed and sheltered from the truth their entire lives and in many cases over generations so everything that they know or believe in has been taught to them in order to benefit those in power.
                                                                                                                      Sounds just like a mini-government was being built there.

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                                                                                                                        • pornguy
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                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by moeloubani
                                                                                                                          No need to go in there and rip apart families, they would have been much better off going in there and talking to people one by one and asking them if they wanted help leaving, what if some of the people liked it?
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                                                                                                                            • Zuss
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              A 17 y old is not a child. Wake the fuck up sheeple.
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                                                                                                                                • rip raster
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                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 2851
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by PowerCum
                                                                                                                                  Their power structure says "Pray to God". Your power structure says "Pay taxes".
                                                                                                                                  Try not paying taxes and your power structure will crush you the same way as their power structure will crush them if they don't pray all they have to pray. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, the power structure mandates you to do it... and YOU ACTUALLY DO IT.

                                                                                                                                  You think you are "free" thinking being? Try thinking about not paying taxes to the IRS... I know you already do it. Now stop paying your taxes and you will be really free... for a short time
                                                                                                                                  Ok I have no idea where you get your logic from but if you seriously think that praying to some imaginary god is somehow the same as paying taxes you should really re-evaluate your thought process.

                                                                                                                                  Paying taxes and praying aren't even remotely similar, and if you really thought about it you could see that. What does praying get you or society in general??? Nothing at all. What does paying taxes get you?? Roads to drive on, schools to educate, law enforcement/protection, I am not in the US so here we also get health care along with numerous other benefits. Now is this system perfect? no, far from it but it's a hell of a better system than you would have if no one paid their taxes.

                                                                                                                                  So given a little thought I am sure you can see how comparing praying to paying taxes is absolutely ridiculous.

                                                                                                                                  If you still think they that paying taxes and praying are the same try to live for one day without praying, then try and live the next day without the things that your taxes pay for...

                                                                                                                                  Anyways I have to go and have some lunch

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                                                                                                                                    • [db]
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                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2007
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by [db]
                                                                                                                                      This is fucked up if true, but remember, this is the government telling us this. They said basically the same thing about Waco but it all turned out to be made up to justify the government massacre of innocent religious nuts. I'm not saying it's not true, I don't know, but always be skeptical when your government tells you something outrageous.

                                                                                                                                      The 'Saddam Hussein is going to launch a WMD attack against the USA' meme comes to mind.
                                                                                                                                      Wow, I am a fucking genius. How did this play out? Turns out, the government was full of shit, this entire thing was based on one "anonymous tip", and these people were in fact, like Waco, not molesting children.

                                                                                                                                      Do not listen to your government and media, people. They are liars. The more outrageous a story they tell us sounds, the more likely it is completely fabricated. They love calling people child molesters, because they know no one will stand up for them.

                                                                                                                                      How about the bed in the temple? Remember how that was "proof" that these people were abusing kids? hmm, turns out the government was lying about that, too...

                                                                                                                                      "Historically, the only use of a bed in a temple is for temple worship itself," said Walsh, who said he has studied the FLDS practices for 18 years. "The worship lasts a couple of hours, so all the temples will have a place where someone can lie down."

                                                                                                                                      But, he said, "To my knowledge, there has never been any sexual activity in a Mormon temple."
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                                                                                                                                        • Redrob
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                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2004
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Last I heard, the government is planning DNA testing to see who is related to whom and how old they were when they had babies.

                                                                                                                                          I think this circus is a long way from the last act.

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                                                                                                                                            • Chris
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                                                                                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 27880
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by [db]
                                                                                                                                              Wow, I am a fucking genius. How did this play out? Turns out, the government was full of shit, this entire thing was based on one "anonymous tip", and these people were in fact, like Waco, not molesting children.

                                                                                                                                              Do not listen to your government and media, people. They are liars. The more outrageous a story they tell us sounds, the more likely it is completely fabricated. They love calling people child molesters, because they know no one will stand up for them.

                                                                                                                                              How about the bed in the temple? Remember how that was "proof" that these people were abusing kids? hmm, turns out the government was lying about that, too...
                                                                                                                                              umm you really dont think the kids are being molested?
                                                                                                                                              I know of a few people who are case workers that are volunteering there time out there RIGHT NOW. The kids ARE being molested. You see 13 year olds pregnant. 16 year olds with 2-3 kids ALREADY.
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                                                                                                                                                • Ethersync
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by [db]
                                                                                                                                                  This is fucked up if true, but remember, this is the government telling us this. They said basically the same thing about Waco but it all turned out to be made up to justify the government massacre of innocent religious nuts. I'm not saying it's not true, I don't know, but always be skeptical when your government tells you something outrageous.

                                                                                                                                                  The 'Saddam Hussein is going to launch a WMD attack against the USA' meme comes to mind.
                                                                                                                                                  Exactly what I was thinking.
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                                                                                                                                                    • fluffygrrl
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                                                                                                                                                      • May 2006
                                                                                                                                                      • 2187
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      I predict the total number of children will be 404.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by moeloubani
                                                                                                                                                          No need to go in there and rip apart families, they would have been much better off going in there and talking to people one by one and asking them if they wanted help leaving, what if some of the people liked it?
                                                                                                                                                          Bullshit. If they were having sex with underage people there is no asking them if they want to leave or stay. It's time to find the men and stick them in prison. It's called statutary rape.



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                                                                                                                                                            • Ash1
                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 3062
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              I personally think it was kind of cruel to separate the kids from their mothers. Think what would your mother or you would do if you were separated when you were like 4-5 in a similar manner. This action would also put negative impacts on the growth of these kids and create a situation of phobia as they grow up. This is absolutely ridiculous the way they did the raid. We are so caught up on the future of these kids but we forget that this kind of harsh action would have a negative long term psychological impact on them.

                                                                                                                                                              these ppl are religious people and they strongly believe in whatever they are doing. It comes down to a fight between the human rights and religious rights. I am pretty sure that even though their religious values encourage polygamy it doesn't encourage underage sex. If the existence of underage sex is proven then the mothers should be told about the situation and actions have to taken to make them understand that this is ultimately against their religions. If the male leaders are unfairly taking advantage then it has to brought into public and the members of the sect have to be explained about the situation. So far the whole thing looks like a conspiracy to destroy the lifestyle of a group who seem to be "different" than us.

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                                                                                                                                                                • fluffygrrl
                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2006
                                                                                                                                                                  • 2187
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                  Bullshit. If they were having sex with underage people there is no asking them if they want to leave or stay. It's time to find the men and stick them in prison. It's called statutary rape.
                                                                                                                                                                  Technically, it's called statutory.

                                                                                                                                                                  Also, technically, it doesn't make a difference if it's men or women.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                      Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Ash1
                                                                                                                                                                      I personally think it was kind of cruel to separate the kids from their mothers. Think what would your mother or you would do if you were separated when you were like 4-5 in a similar manner. This action would also put negative impacts on the growth of these kids and create a situation of phobia as they grow up. This is absolutely ridiculous the way they did the raid. We are so caught up on the future of these kids but we forget that this kind of harsh action would have a negative long term psychological impact on them.

                                                                                                                                                                      these ppl are religious people and they strongly believe in whatever they are doing. It comes down to a fight between the human rights and religious rights. I am pretty sure that even though their religious values encourage polygamy it doesn't encourage underage sex. If the existence of underage sex is proven then the mothers should be told about the situation and actions have to taken to make them understand that this is ultimately against their religions. If the male leaders are unfairly taking advantage then it has to brought into public and the members of the sect have to be explained about the situation. So far the whole thing looks like a conspiracy to destroy the lifestyle of a group who seem to be "different" than us.
                                                                                                                                                                      If the existence of underage sex is proved and it's proved the mothers knew about it and allowed or even encouraged it to happen, the mothers could also be facing a prison term. Not people I would worry about taking their children away from.

                                                                                                                                                                      As for their lifestyle being different, I am all for people having a different life style. but not when it comes to brainwashing people into thinking children can be raped and telling them you're doing it in the name of God.

                                                                                                                                                                      There are other considerations here besides the actual people in this sect, there are children in other sects to protect. Sending a message to the leaders of these sects that they cannot do as they wish under the name of religion might also protect other children.

                                                                                                                                                                      Over the last 31 years as a pornographer I have lived a different lifestyle to the norm. I did not and still do not let my lifestyle effect my children.

                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by fluffygrrl
                                                                                                                                                                      Technically, it's called statutory.

                                                                                                                                                                      Also, technically, it doesn't make a difference if it's men or women.

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                                                                                                                                                                      WTF are you talking about?



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                                                                                                                                                                        • fluffygrrl
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                          As for their lifestyle being different, I am all for people having a different life style. but not when it comes to brainwashing people into thinking children can be raped and telling them you're doing it in the name of God.
                                                                                                                                                                          However, for the vast majority of the world at present, and for the entire world during the vast majority of its history, people under 18 having children was, and is perfectly normal.

                                                                                                                                                                          So, in the grander scheme of things, it's the "mainstream" that's trying to impose a different lifestyle on people, not the other way around.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • rayadp05
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                                                                                                                                                                              The bottom line is that the men that resided within this compound enoyed having sex with underaged girls. It wouldn't surprise me at the least if the 8 and 9 year old kids were getting fucked too. Oh...but it's okay if it is in the name of "religion". Give me a fucking break. I don't care who someone chooses to worship. Hell, you can worship chocolate and lock yourself up in a chocolate factory overnight but if your fucking kids...you need to serve time in prison.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by fluffygrrl
                                                                                                                                                                                  However, for the vast majority of the world at present, and for the entire world during the vast majority of its history, people under 18 having children was, and is perfectly normal.

                                                                                                                                                                                  So, in the grander scheme of things, it's the "mainstream" that's trying to impose a different lifestyle on people, not the other way around.
                                                                                                                                                                                  This has nothing to do with under 18s having children. It's about minors being forced into having children, maybe against their will or indoctrinated. A 16 or 17 year old having a child is not a 14 year old being forced to have one with a man old enough to be her Grandfather. As for what the rest of the world do, what country should the US use as a bench mark for it's laws and morals?

                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes I said that as a person married to a woman younger than my daughter. You need to know her to understand the relationship.



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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                                                                                                      The bottom line is that the men that resided within this compound enoyed having sex with underaged girls. It wouldn't surprise me at the least if the 8 and 9 year old kids were getting fucked too. Oh...but it's okay if it is in the name of "religion". Give me a fucking break. I don't care who someone chooses to worship. Hell, you can worship chocolate and lock yourself up in a chocolate factory overnight but if your fucking kids...you need to serve time in prison.
                                                                                                                                                                                      They need to go a lot deeper than DNA testing the children. I hate to say it but you might be right. If this had been any other kind of community than a religious one the police would of been all over it years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                      fluffygrrl do their religious beliefs allow them to have sex with girls younger than 14?

                                                                                                                                                                                      If so what age do you drawer the line at?

                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes it does need investigating. Children need protecting. Sometimes even from their parents.



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                                                                                                                                                                                        • fluffygrrl
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                          This has nothing to do with under 18s having children. It's about minors being forced into having children, maybe against their will or indoctrinated. A 16 or 17 year old having a child is not a 14 year old being forced to have one with a man old enough to be her Grandfather. As for what the rest of the world do, what country should the US use as a bench mark for it's laws and morals?

                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes I said that as a person married to a woman younger than my daughter. You need to know her to understand the relationship.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, so how do you draw the line between against their will/indoctrinated and not ?

                                                                                                                                                                                          It's a sticky issue.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by fluffygrrl
                                                                                                                                                                                              Well, so how do you draw the line between against their will/indoctrinated and not ?

                                                                                                                                                                                              It's a sticky issue.
                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree it's a sticky issue. Does that mean it should be ignored?

                                                                                                                                                                                              What is not a sticky issue is adults having sex with minors and others aiding and abetting. Actually it is a sticky issue, they sticky you in prison for it.



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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I agree it's a sticky issue. Does that mean it should be ignored?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  What is not a sticky issue is adults having sex with minors and others aiding and abetting. Actually it is a sticky issue, they sticky you in prison for it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  No, it doesn't mean it should be ignored, it means it should be kept in perspective.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Statutory rape is a crime by statute. That makes it, as impossible as this may sound to you, not malum in se.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now, as far as nature speaks, people are ready to have sex as fast as they're having sex, coercion notwithstanding.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  As far as culture speaks, people may or may not be considered by other people ready to have sex at any arbitrary point in their lives.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  This, however, is a matter of culture, and cultures are equal, consequently, his religious belief, and your religious or otherwise belief carry about the same merit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  The rest is emotion, and laws shouldn't ideally be passed on emotion.

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