test joins .. test joins ... test joins ...

**lucas131** · 04-16-2014, 05:03 AM

this thread is about sponsors shaving ...

sponsor a
no shaving
affiliate make sales, with ppc 0:005
all good

sponsor b
shaving, not caught
affiliate make sales, with ppc 0:001
all good

sponsor c
shaving, caught
affiliate make sales, with ppc 0:0001
mad, closing accounts

you get it?

... i will answer myself, no, some of you still dont get it

**mopek1** · 04-16-2014, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by Ruseful

But you have every one on GFY believe I am a thief, a scammer and that I shave my affiliates.

Not even close! I never did.

I also didn't see bunches of affiliates believing the same thing either. Maybe a few but if they think you are a scammer based on this one event alone then they have a problem.

In my opinion the way you handled it is making it 10X worse.

**lucas131** · 04-16-2014, 05:10 AM

now just please, someone explain me, why they have that join.php page as redirect, and why is on that page other nats code than the one i used to come to the site ... so i can sleep well

nobody else have it, they have it, maybe its something easy to explain, so please, explain it to me, the last thing about ruc and then, i can sleep well again

**mopek1** · 04-16-2014, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

In 7 pages I tried to show you that money earned per click is what matters.

We heard you a million times and we don't care about that in this thread. In general we do but not in this thread.

The fact that you keep re-posting it tells me you are trying to derail the thread as are others.

**signupdamnit** · 04-16-2014, 05:15 AM

Originally posted by lucas131

come on guys ... i am here to test if programs shave ... if i find shave, and i send the results to program, what you think will came? answer that all is good at their side, they will change the shave to some or all affiliates, all will be good at least for some time and this thread will be useless ... some of you really dont get why i am doing this ... now, i have found that ruc have been sending traffic to other biller, posted it here, and now i am the bad guy ... but, i understand, ruc is sending payments to you, if they shave, they still convert, robert is known old school guy, so i am again the piece of shit on shoes, but i have been already in the past, also have been banned in the past, but i know i am doing my thing well, so will continue, doesnt matter that some of you may be pissed about that or dont understand why i am doing all of this ...

You're doing a great job. Don't worry this kind of shit is standard procedure from businesses which get busted. The same thing often happens on Yelp when a customer posts a bad review. The sleazeball business owner will try to discredit it, sue the reviewer, get the review taken down, anything but improve their business or the reason for the bad review. Just keep doing what you are doing.

The affiliate program owner has the job to make sure the affiliate's sales are counted when sent through the appropriate link. If they are not for any reason then that means THEY (not you) failed to do their job and that is the bottomline. All of them will try to come up with an excuse when caught. You might not want to get into it with them and instead maybe you just want to stick to the facts-- they failed the test signup.

**mopek1** · 04-16-2014, 05:15 AM

Originally posted by lucas131

now just please, someone explain me, why they have that join.php page as redirect, and why is on that page other nats code than the one i used to come to the site ...

Hi Lucas,

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain to me how that works or what you are referring to?

Keep up the tests.

Thanks again.

**lucas131** · 04-16-2014, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by mopek1

Hi Lucas,

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain to me how that works or what you are referring to?

Keep up the tests.

Thanks again.

this file http://fakehospital.com/tour/join.php is just a redirect. but if you download the file with download manager, you can see the source code, and in the source code, there is this

Code:

<script>window.location = 'http://join.fakehospital.com/strack/MC4wLjIxLjM5LjAuMC4wLjAuMA/21:39/0/1/join';</script>

there is some nats code, that is hard coded on the file/page, and the nats code is not the one i used to visit the site. it is nats code of someone or something else, not mine or not the one i came to the site with ... cant explain it better cause of my engrish ...

maybe its all good, just some standart code and it dont affect the affiliates nats codes, just, everyone have to go through the page and through that nats code on that page ... sorry, cant explain better in english

once again, maybe its all good, i just will be more happy to know and expand my knowledge about nats

btw, two other guys, sitting on another places, have the same nats code hardcoded on the join.php file, so its nothing variable if i am right ...

**freecartoonporn** · 04-16-2014, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

In 7 pages I tried to show you that money earned per click is what matters.

We heard you a million times and we don't care about that in this thread. In general we do but not in this thread.

The fact that you keep re-posting it tells me you are trying to derail the thread as are others.

**robwod** · 04-16-2014, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by lucas131

i just will be more happy to know and expand my knowledge about nats

Lucas: NATS documentation is posted online for anyone to review and understand how it works. Anyone can educate themselves here and through all of the various sub-sections:
http://wiki.toomuchmedia.com/index.p...Page_Variables

**mopek1** · 04-16-2014, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by lucas131

this file http://fakehospital.com/tour/join.php is just a redirect. but if you download the file with download manager, you can see the source code, and in the source code, there is this

Code:

<script>window.location = 'http://join.fakehospital.com/strack/MC4wLjIxLjM5LjAuMC4wLjAuMA/21:39/0/1/join';</script>

there is some nats code, that is hard coded on the file/page, and the nats code is not the one i used to visit the site. it is nats code of someone or something else, not mine or not the one i came to the site with ... cant explain it better cause of my engrish ...

maybe its all good, just some standart code and it dont affect the affiliates nats codes, just, everyone have to go through the page and through that nats code on that page ... sorry, cant explain better in english

once again, maybe its all good, i just will be more happy to know and expand my knowledge about nats

btw, two other guys, sitting on another places, have the same nats code hardcoded on the join.php file, so its nothing variable if i am right ...

Got it ... thanks.

**lucas131** · 04-16-2014, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by robwod

Lucas: NATS documentation is posted online for anyone to review and understand how it works. Anyone can educate themselves here and through all of the various sub-sections:
http://wiki.toomuchmedia.com/index.p...Page_Variables

thanks, i know about it and have read many of it. so, it is something about bypassing the nats join form, but still, there is nats tracking code, but the nats tracking code is another on the join.php page than the one i came to the site with ... thats why i ask if someone knows what is the reason why the code is different?

**TROLLENSTEIN** · 04-16-2014, 05:35 AM

The NATS code is a blank (cookie-less) for linking to the biller, your own NATS affiliate cookie will fill in (over-ride) the contents of it.

You can use this code to decode the NATS link and check for yourself:

PHP Code:

<?
$data = "Paste_the_NATS_code_in_here";
if($argv[1]) $data = $argv[1];
$chars = strlen($data);
$add = 4 - ($chars % 4);
if ($add < 4) while($add--) $data .= '=';
list($campaign, $program, $site) = explode(':', base64_decode($data));
echo "Campaign: $campaign \nProgram: $program \nSite: $site \n\n";
?>

It's absolutely safe and fine, and not shaving. Just like a billing error is not shaving, either.

**lucas131** · 04-16-2014, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by TROLLENSTEIN

The NATS code is a blank (cookie-less) for linking to the biller, your own NATS affiliate cookie will fill in (over-ride) the contents of it.

You can use this code to decode the NATS link and check for yourself:

PHP Code:

<?
$data = "Paste_the_NATS_code_in_here";
if($argv[1]) $data = $argv[1];
$chars = strlen($data);
$add = 4 - ($chars % 4);
if ($add < 4) while($add--) $data .= '=';
list($campaign, $program, $site) = explode(':', base64_decode($data));
echo "Campaign: $campaign \nProgram: $program \nSite: $site \n\n";
?>

It's absolutely safe and fine, and not shaving. Just like a billing error is not shaving, either.

thats good, thank you for the share

**Relentless** · 04-16-2014, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by lucas131

go and start your own thread

If you want to talk nonsense with specific people do it via email. When you start a public thread, it's possible that logic from other people may get posted in it from time to time.

**Magnetron** · 04-16-2014, 05:54 AM

Like I've said here and there and elsewheres, I'm a hobby guy. I don't do this to pay the rent. I do it because I enjoy being a part of the industry.

That's not to say, making money isn't a priority. Part of the hobby is making as much as I can with what I have to work with. And lately that challenge lies in acquiring quality traffic ( not just ) because of the consequences of the idiotic YouPorn model and the thousands of clones that have sprung up ..... without compounding the consequences with more tubes. Some of us can see the impact of our actions beyond the dollar signs. Some of us alway have.

So, my traffic must go to sponsors who make it worth my while as well as being worthy of my traffic.

JT and ColMike kiss and make up. Fine. Should I resume pushing the few RU sites that I was before they had their falling out? Ummm .....

..... not after seeing the extremes of TC's stats. I'll send what little traffic I do have to other sponsors who are

A] more worthy of it

B] who don't have mysterious billing/shaving/whatever issues subjecting affiliates with more traffic than myself to 40 day dry spells

C] are drama and controversy free ( aside from this thread )

and

D] who can convert better than 1:1000 because tons of their content isn't being handed to the public for free by the dumptruck load.

http://join.danejones.com/track/NDQ2...LjAuMC4wLjAuMA
http://join.lesbea.com/track/NDQ2LjcuMy4zLjAuMC4wLjAuMA

**lucas131** · 04-16-2014, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

If you want to talk nonsense with specific people do it via email. When you start a public thread, it's possible that logic from other people may get posted in it from time to time.

you must be programmer

i know few programmers, who is not possible to argue. they are always right, they know everything best, and they think they are always on top of the game and on top of the topic

are you a programmer?

**Relentless** · 04-16-2014, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by lucas131

you must be programmer

i know few programmers, who is not possible to argue. they are always right, they know everything best, and they think they are always on top of the game and on top of the topic

are you a programmer?

I don't code at all. I hire terrific people to do that work.

The difference between you and I is that I understand basic math all the time. You understand basic math only when you feel like it.
Basic math is always true, not only sometimes true.
If you feel like 2 x 2 is 6, it is still 4 even if you prefer it to be 6.

$ / clicks is Always True
I think I feel like maybe I should have 2 sales but I only have 1 is not math. It's nonsense.

You know that, I know that... But you act like we don't know that.

**lucas131** · 04-16-2014, 06:42 AM

so, on the other side, another sponsor, all good there ... ratios are for me on those unique content on new sites bad, so did testing, but no problems detected. i am talking about kinkydollars. first test was about two weeks ago, on 30minutesoftorment, used friends card and my account, all went well, sale have been credited asap. second testing was few days ago, from my card on another friends account, site was sadisticrope, again, sale have been credited asap. so, kinkydollars all good at that side!

**lucas131** · 04-16-2014, 06:48 AM

btw, anyone knows how to best test cams? i mean, if i signup as member, how much do i must spend to make pps? and will all revs be credited to me asap? and those ppl, how that works? really interested in this ... thank you for in advance for any info!

**mopek1** · 04-16-2014, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by lucas131

so, on the other side, another sponsor, all good there ... ratios are for me on those unique content on new sites bad, so did testing, but no problems detected. i am talking about kinkydollars. first test was about two weeks ago, on 30minutesoftorment, used friends card and my account, all went well, sale have been credited asap. second testing was few days ago, from my card on another friends account, site was sadisticrope, again, sale have been credited asap. so, kinkydollars all good at that side!

Thanks again for this.

**NewNick** · 04-16-2014, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by klinton

ridiciulous....
someone is posting how the sponsor is cheating and sponsor get angry and ban guy....

is this how adult look like in 2014 ? should we be glad to mr JT for bringing up youporn and helping to kill adult biz for 90 % of people ?

this is ridiculous....

I'm waiting for more opinions on sponsors from lucas......great thread

Another fool that does not understand the definition of cheating.

**freecartoonporn** · 04-16-2014, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by lucas131

this file http://fakehospital.com/tour/join.php is just a redirect. but if you download the file with download manager, you can see the source code, and in the source code, there is this

Code:

<script>window.location = 'http://join.fakehospital.com/strack/MC4wLjIxLjM5LjAuMC4wLjAuMA/21:39/0/1/join';</script>

there is some nats code, that is hard coded on the file/page, and the nats code is not the one i used to visit the site. it is nats code of someone or something else, not mine or not the one i came to the site with ... cant explain it better cause of my engrish ...

maybe its all good, just some standart code and it dont affect the affiliates nats codes, just, everyone have to go through the page and through that nats code on that page ... sorry, cant explain better in english

once again, maybe its all good, i just will be more happy to know and expand my knowledge about nats

btw, two other guys, sitting on another places, have the same nats code hardcoded on the join.php file, so its nothing variable if i am right ...

after decoding that nats code , it gives

0.0.21.39.0.0.0.0.0
21 is siteid
39 is tourid
they are using nats version v4.1.7.1

now nats links for that version are like this
http://wiki.toomuchmedia.com/index.p...ate_Link_Codes

**klinton** · 04-16-2014, 07:05 AM

thats great... however their ratios are terrible in their niche... with such amazing content they should have 5 x times better ratios...

Originally posted by lucas131

so, on the other side, another sponsor, all good there ... ratios are for me on those unique content on new sites bad, so did testing, but no problems detected. i am talking about kinkydollars. first test was about two weeks ago, on 30minutesoftorment, used friends card and my account, all went well, sale have been credited asap. second testing was few days ago, from my card on another friends account, site was sadisticrope, again, sale have been credited asap. so, kinkydollars all good at that side!

**mopek1** · 04-16-2014, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by klinton

thats great... however their ratios are terrible in their niche... with such amazing content they should have 5 x times better ratios...

I was surprised at that too. They do have good content and so I wonder why people have been getting declining ratios.

**freecartoonporn** · 04-16-2014, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by lucas131

btw, anyone knows how to best test cams? i mean, if i signup as member, how much do i must spend to make pps? and will all revs be credited to me asap? and those ppl, how that works? really interested in this ... thank you for in advance for any info!

in PPS , the amount you must spend is in programs TOS.
and about rev-share the % you get is also in TOS.
best thing you read the TOS.
ppl are of two types , one requires confirming email address by clicking the link you receive in email
other doesnt requires the confirmation. i guess chaturbate is of type 2.

**Nickatilynx** · 04-16-2014, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Magnetron

I'll post my AFF ID in a few hours after I'm done with my morning chores.

Don't you hate it when you get that "Clean up in aisle 4" message on the Walmart speakers and you have to jump to it?

**Magnetron** · 04-16-2014, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx

Don't you hate it when you get that "Clean up in aisle 4" message on the Walmart speakers and you have to jump to it?

Actually it was more like 15 minutes feeding the chickens and the stray cats on the farm I live on, but nice troll anyway.

**Relentless** · 04-16-2014, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by lucas131

so, on the other side, another sponsor, all good there ... ratios are for me on those unique content on new sites bad, so did testing, but no problems detected. i am talking about kinkydollars. first test was about two weeks ago, on 30minutesoftorment, used friends card and my account, all went well, sale have been credited asap. second testing was few days ago, from my card on another friends account, site was sadisticrope, again, sale have been credited asap. so, kinkydollars all good at that side!

And how much are they paying per click? Please post that information as well, since it is the only useful information you can provide

**Nickatilynx** · 04-16-2014, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by Magnetron

Actually it was more like 15 minutes feeding the chickens and the stray cats on the farm I live on, but nice troll anyway.

I ain't a troll hobbyist.

But...lol...thanks...I thought it was a good one liner. ;)

Makes sense too now, you like stray cats...hence you sticking up for teencat ;)

**Jel** · 04-16-2014, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by Magnetron

..... not after seeing the extremes of TC's stats.

what extremes? No offence, but this is why you are a hobbyist.

**Magnetron** · 04-16-2014, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Jel

what extremes? No offence, but this is why you are a hobbyist.

I believe going from making sales consistently to not any making sales is a valid illustration of extremes.

**Nickatilynx** · 04-16-2014, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by Jel

what extremes? No offence, but this is why you are a hobbyist.

Magnetron is a pretty butch name though....wish when I started online in 96 I had thought of something butch like that. Like Viper , or Death....You know something masculine not "nickatilynx" (sigh)

;-))

**Magnetron** · 04-16-2014, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx

I ain't a troll hobbyist.

But...lol...thanks...I thought it was a good one liner. ;)

Makes sense too now, you like stray cats...hence you sticking up for teencat ;)

Maybe that explains this guy as well.

**Jel** · 04-16-2014, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Magnetron

I believe going from making sales consistently to not any making sales is a valid illustration of extremes.

a sale every few days is 'consistent' the same way a sale a month is 'consistent' the same way making a sale every 6 months is 'consistent'. If you read that thread properly, and looked at the actual traffic stats and sources, you would have easily been able to see where the 40 day anomaly (that actually isn't) came into it.

**Magnetron** · 04-16-2014, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx

Magnetron is a pretty butch name though....wish when I started online in 96 I had thought of something butch like that. Like Viper , or Death....You know something masculine not "nickatilynx" (sigh)

;-))

Wasn't he the DC Comics villain that looked like a leprechaun and appeared if you said his name 3 times really fast?

**Jel** · 04-16-2014, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx

Magnetron is a pretty butch name though....wish when I started online in 96 I had thought of something butch like that. Like Viper , or Death....You know something masculine not "nickatilynx" (sigh)

;-))

lynx is pretty butch mate, if you go by the animal and not the deodorant

**Relentless** · 04-16-2014, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by Magnetron

I believe going from making sales consistently to not any making sales is a valid illustration of extremes.

From 1000 sales to 0 sales shows Extremes

From 1 sale to 0 sales is a change of ONE

1000 sales difference is worth looking into to find a reason
1 sale difference could be that a single guy in the world decided "not to jerk off today"

You do see the difference, no?

**DamianJ** · 04-16-2014, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by Magnetron

I believe going from making sales consistently to not any making sales is a valid illustration of extremes.

It's a good job you're only doing this as a hobby.

**3xmedia** · 04-16-2014, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by lucas131

so, on the other side, another sponsor, all good there ... ratios are for me on those unique content on new sites bad, so did testing, but no problems detected. i am talking about kinkydollars. first test was about two weeks ago, on 30minutesoftorment, used friends card and my account, all went well, sale have been credited asap. second testing was few days ago, from my card on another friends account, site was sadisticrope, again, sale have been credited asap. so, kinkydollars all good at that side!

thanks, and keep them coming

**lucas131** · 04-16-2014, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

From 1000 sales to 0 sales shows Extremes

From 1 sale to 0 sales is a change of ONE

1000 sales difference is worth looking into to find a reason
1 sale difference could be that a single guy in the world decided "not to jerk off today"

You do see the difference, no?

man, two sales a day, then one sale in fourty days, then, you know, when i cried, one sale a day again? come on, you cant be that blind. i know my traffic and i know how stats on new sites have to look like, that was not normal. and for example, how you explain that low submits around 5th, 5th zero, and seven submits at 15th?

i know, just one guy didnt wanted to jerk ... lol, not needed to answer, i dont want to battle with you, warrior

**Magnetron** · 04-16-2014, 08:29 AM

Gawd.

If your traffic is consistent in source and quantity, then there is no valid reason to go from making sales to not making sales to making sales again within the span of two months.

If we replicate TC's traffic stream 10x, then you would get 10x the sales per day.

10x 1 sale in 40 days is 1 sale in 40 days.

You people stuck in a high volume mentality or you were never around prior to user upload tubes. Low volume sites under 2K daily uniques still have consistent ratios. The more unique the LV site, the better the ratios compared to tubes, tgps or whatever HV gimmick used.

**Jel** · 04-16-2014, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Magnetron

Gawd.
If we replicate TC's traffic stream 10x, then you would get 10x the sales per day.

Please don't tell me you really think this?

**MrTrollkien** · 04-16-2014, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by Magnetron

If we replicate TC's traffic stream 10x, then you would get 10x the sales per day.

The biggest lie I have ever read

**Fat Panda** · 04-16-2014, 08:46 AM

RUC was caught RED HANDED FUCKING AFFILIATES

not to mention you can watch ALL their porn for free

any affiliate promoting them is a MORON

**lucas131** · 04-16-2014, 08:49 AM

thanks for all the support, more to come!

**Magnetron** · 04-16-2014, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Jel

Please don't tell me you really think this?

Laugh all you want, but until you actually run 2K of decent traffic through a decent LV site, you won't see how many more sales it generates per visitor than an a Tube, TGP, etc.

**Penny24Seven** · 04-16-2014, 08:56 AM

great thread

**Jel** · 04-16-2014, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Magnetron

Laugh all you want, but until you actually run 2K of decent traffic through a decent LV site, you won't see how many more sales it generates per visitor than an a Tube, TGP, etc.

I have, obviously it did, and no, 10 x traffic does not = 10 x sales, never has, never will

**12clicks** · 04-16-2014, 09:06 AM

just skimmed this thread. thank god I stopped chasing peons years ago.

**Magnetron** · 04-16-2014, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by MrTrollkien

The biggest lie I have ever read

You do realize that TGP Networks and then Tubes were built on the principle of making more sales per owner than traditional affiliate sites ( like review sites for example ) by multiplying the volume? More surfers, more $$$.

In theory.

Until you factor in the amount of free porn given out and the overall user experience.

In the end, they make less per unique than the traditional sites.

test joins .. test joins ... test joins ...

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