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  • wehateporn
    Promoting Debate on GFY
    • Apr 2007
    • 27176

    #106
    Originally posted by Paully
    The 1st is info from a parental survey with 83 kids who were autistic and 80 who weren't. Hardly scientific.
    Looking at statistics is part of science, the study was scientific run by scientists

    Originally posted by Paully
    The second you point out has references no later than 2009 and was meant to measure the immune system of mice that had their immune system purposefully destroyed by adding high and repeated dosages of antigens.
    The study is peer-reviewed, what they did closely mirrors the US childhood vaccine schedule.

    Originally posted by Paully
    No one is claiming vaccines are perfect but for you to think that passing out vaccines for free for the most part is some sort of conspiracy or has any other purpose other than saving lives make you a fool.
    It's sweet if you believe that these corporations who profit from your bad health are trying to help you with their vaccines, the studies show that they are sowing the seeds of disease to increase future profits.

    Originally posted by Paully
    Not to mention living past the age of 7 years old.
    Actually studies show that of the first world nations the ones which give the least vaccines have the best infant mortality rates.

    Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

    Originally posted by Paully
    Unless you have devoted your life to saving others through medicine and vaccines and have double blind, placebo controlled, peer reviewed studies then what you say is not only ignorant but dangerous to the overall health of anyone within earshot or maybe even a cough from you.
    There is a lot of propaganda out there, it's all paid for by a $Trillion industry, an industry which makes money when you get sick, they ideally want you on drugs for life i.e. lifetime rebills. Here's a former Pharma exec blowing the whistle on the industry


    Originally posted by Paully
    I have a kid. I did the research hearing the same shit you did. I talked to multiple doctors and as far as I'm concerned parents should be locked up for not immunizing their kids.
    The problem is that there's so much propaganda around that it's very difficult to get away from when you do research for the first time, it will give you a false impression. I too used to believe in vaccines, I've had a fascination with the topic as I'm a bit like that having studied two science degrees. I can understand why people new to the topic will quickly take the pro-vaccine side, but you've got to keep your mind open and keep reading through the studies, keep listening to the doctors and researchers who are speaking out against the pharmaceuticals as this will allow you to form a balanced opinion on this complex topic.

    Here's a good video for all those who are relatively new to the topic, the doctor looks into the history of childhood disease and weighs up the risks against the benefits of each vaccine.

    Last edited by wehateporn; 04-08-2014, 05:25 AM.

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    • wehateporn
      Promoting Debate on GFY
      • Apr 2007
      • 27176

      #107
      Originally posted by arock10
      Wehateporn is fapping hard to this thread right now. A wet dream come true

      Now if only he'd huff some small pox to prove us wrong
      Actually it's insanely irritating as I'm meant to be earning money, but I do the decent thing and pop in to make sure all those new to the topic have all the facts; I wouldn't want a kid to be vaccine-disabled just because I didn't post on a forum one day

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      • DWB
        Registered User
        • Jul 2003
        • 31779

        #108
        Originally posted by baddog
        I think it is pretty obvious that it is the change of diagnosis that has caused the increase. What I found interesting is that so many of these autistic kids came from wealthy families.

        I guess having the cash to pursue the diagnosis helps, which could account for why some third world country does not have as many autistics.
        I do believe modern testing and diagnosis procedures have increased the numbers some on a global scale, but it's not just third world countries with lower rates. Look up the stats on other first world countries. They have the same testing ability as the USA. However, not all of them push the same vaccines. There is endless amounts of information out there, look it up.

        It very well may NOT be vaccines, it could be anything, but with the data that is out there, it's a little hard for me to rule it out as a possibility. Something is causing it, and the increase in American children particularly is alarming. 1 in 1000+ in most other first world nations vs 1 in 70 in the USA. That is simply staggering, and I find it hard to believe better diagnosis is the cause for such a mind boggling number, and only in the USA. Unless of course, it's in a doctor's financial benefit somehow to label more children as autistic. And I don't rule that out either.

        It could just be diet, or lack of proper nutrients before a certain age. You personally know what a difference that makes to the body. I don't rule that out either. Until they actually know for 100% certainty what causes it, I've left my mind open to any and all reasons, as that is the only logical way to look at a problem that is without a solution. I'm certainly not going to simply put blind trust in any government agency or health organization that is funded by or lobbied by big pharma.

        Originally posted by trevesty
        So all of those judges and lawyers are somehow experts on vaccines now? If I want the answer to the nuances of law, I ask them. If I want the answer to the nuances of micro biology, immunology, chemistry, etc., I'll ask a specialist in the respective field.

        It's.... silly, man. Come on.
        Do you honestly think that with those multiple court cases, with MILLIONS of dollars at sake, and the legal precedent it may create, that experts from both sides of the fence were not brought in? Or do you believe they let the local sheriff make the final call?

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        • arock10
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2006
          • 6217

          #109
          Originally posted by wehateporn
          Actually it's insanely irritating as I'm meant to be earning money, but I do the decent thing and pop in to make sure all those new to the topic have all the facts; I wouldn't want a kid to be vaccine-disabled just because I didn't post on a forum one day
          Yes you'd prefer them dead from your "facts"
          Sup

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          • 2MuchMark
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Aug 2004
            • 50964

            #110
            For fuck sakes people... Stop believing what you see on Fox News, and especially stop listening to idiotic Celebrities (Trump, Jenny MaCarthy, etc) and politcians (who know who) who make stupid, dangerous off the cuff remarks about shit they know nothing about.

            Listen to the Doctors and Scientists:

            Start with JPEDS: The Journal of Paediatrics
            Increasing Exposure to Antibody-Stimulating Proteins and Polysaccharides in Vaccines Is Not Associated with Risk of Autism
            http://jpeds.com/webfiles/images/jou...SDeStefano.pdf

            Not good enough? Go to the CDC Website at www.CDC.gov and you will find *INFORMATION*, not speculation, like this:
            Some Common Misconceptions About Vaccination
            http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm

            Too lazy to read? Then you're a danger to yourself, your kids, the people around you, and anyone who reads your rants full of misinformation. Or if you're one of those people who won't believe what the CDC tells you then there is no hope for you at all. Go stick your head up Donald Trump's ass and enjoy yourself.
            Last edited by 2MuchMark; 04-08-2014, 07:14 AM.

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            • wehateporn
              Promoting Debate on GFY
              • Apr 2007
              • 27176

              #111
              Originally posted by MarkPrince
              Increasing Exposure to Antibody-Stimulating Proteins and Polysaccharides in Vaccines Is Not Associated with Risk of Autism
              http://jpeds.com/webfiles/images/jou...SDeStefano.pdf
              hmmm.... "We thank Dr Paul Offit for his assistance in determining the antibody-
              stimulating protein and polysaccharide content of specific vaccines."


              Just read that study, Paul Offit is a vaccine patent holder who's made over $20 million from vaccines, his nickname is Paul 'Profit' Offit. When you see his name you know it's BS, he's effectively the car salesman of vaccines. He makes is paid Millions by Merck, that is Merck the makers of the MMR vaccine. The man should not be allowed anywhere near a study like this due to gross conflict of interest.

              Profit Offit once said "an infant can safely receive up to 10,000 vaccines at once"

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              • MediaGuy
                Confirmed User
                • Sep 2004
                • 5500

                #112
                This is one of my favorite scenes from Sleeper:


                And that's just because I couldn't find that first scene where he wakes up which is a classic of slapstick.

                Slapstick - unfortunately one of our greatest comics forgot all about it...

                :D

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                • wehateporn
                  Promoting Debate on GFY
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 27176

                  #113
                  Originally posted by MarkPrince
                  Not good enough? Go to the CDC Website at www.CDC.gov and you will find *INFORMATION*, not speculation, like this:
                  Some Common Misconceptions About Vaccination
                  http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm
                  CDC = Center for Disease Creation

                  CDC receives money from the Pharmaceuticals and is full of people who quit their job in a major Pharmaceutical one day, started in the CDC the next, then after a few years moved straight back to their previous corporate job. Conflicts of interests everywhere, certainly not independent.


                  Originally posted by MarkPrince
                  Too lazy to read? Then you're a danger to yourself, your kids, the people around you, and anyone who reads your rants full of misinformation. Or if you're one of those people who won't believe what the CDC tells you then there is no hope for you at all. Go stick your head up Donald Trump's ass and enjoy yourself.
                  No, the anti-vaccine people and those who are concerned with vaccine safety are the ones who've read a lot more than you, it's takes years of research to start to turn against vaccine. We don't get our information from celebrities either, that's just what the propagandists like to say, we get our information from top doctors like Dr Peter Fletcher the former head of the UK Department of Health, we also use our brains to look for conflicts of interest each time a study appears instead of blindly trusting them.

                  The game is rigged Mark, difficult to accept I know, hard to throw away your old belief system, I can understand you wanting to cling onto it.

                  Dr Peter Fletcher, former UK Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health on MMR/Autism

                  "it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."

                  ...

                  "the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history"

                  ...

                  "There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

                  ....

                  "Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,"

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                  • wehateporn
                    Promoting Debate on GFY
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 27176

                    #114
                    Let's see what a freedom of information request gets us, these are from a closed meeting of experts from CDC, FDA, and the manufacturers discussing the possibility of neurodevelopment disorders resulting from vaccine components.

                    http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfdaexperts.htm

                    Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.?

                    Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we?ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn?t some possible problem here is unreal.?

                    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

                    Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.?

                    Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

                    Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.? ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

                    Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

                    Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

                    Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

                    Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

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                    • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                      Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 38323

                      #115
                      Originally posted by MediaGuy

                      This is one of my favorite scenes from Sleeper:



                      And that's just because I couldn't find that first scene where he wakes up which is a classic of slapstick.

                      :D
                      Love that movie...

                      Twisted minds think alike!

                      Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

                      Reminds me of one of my favorite scenes from "Sleeper":

                      The "awakening" scene starts at 3 minutes, and about 5 minutes in is when the fun starts:



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                      • VikingMan
                        Exploiting human weakness
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 6857

                        #116
                        I have a question for the braindead people who like to make fun of people who protect their kids from the toxins that are added to vaccines. The tards love to make fun of people like Jenny McCarthy but here is another famous person who is also a MD who does not vaccinate his children. Why don't you tards make fun of him and his wife? Of course he tells other partents to vaccinate but does not vaccinate his own kids. He says his wife makes those decisions and that if it was up to him that he would vaccinate his kids. Nice excuse from another sociopath health care worker.

                        I have posted this before and will do it again for the tards who cannot process simple ideas. It is not just the vaccines people are worried about but mainly it is the preservatives and adjvants added to the vaccines to make them last longer on the shelf and to also increase the power of the vaccines. If I walked up to your kids cereal bowl and dropped in some mercury I would be put into prison. However your doctor can inject mercury into your kid and it is completely legal. Absolutely brilliant!!!! And yes I know that Mercury has been taken out of child vaccines in the last decade or so but is still in the flu shot which kids and adults are constantly encouraged to get by the whore-ish health care workers.
                        Last edited by VikingMan; 04-08-2014, 10:40 AM.

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                        • deltav
                          Confirmed User
                          • May 2010
                          • 1243

                          #117
                          LOL, because Dr. Oz isn't a "celebrity medicine" sensationalist quack? It's widely documented that he offers pseudoscientific advice not really based on actual peer-reviewed research:

                          http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...oz-bad-science

                          http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...a_fact_specter

                          http://www.slate.com/articles/health...t_science.html

                          Again, people like WHP simply don't understand how the science/academic/medicine world works, though the little swirly patterns in their eyes tell them they absolutely do and it's the rest of the world that's deluded. They Know The Truth!
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                          • deltav
                            Confirmed User
                            • May 2010
                            • 1243

                            #118
                            http://www.theonion.com/articles/the...hildren,35731/
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                            • trevesty
                              Confirmed User
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 3810

                              #119
                              Originally posted by Jel
                              I agree with everything you said, but as a complete aside, and unrelated to anything in this thread, take a look at http://www.upworthy.com/ever-hear-ab...r-millions?g=4

                              very eye-opening (basically, it wasn't what the media portrayed as being someone sueing simply because the coffee was too hot - just a few minutes long but worth watching just to be aware of what actually happened)
                              Thanks, I'll definitely check it out when I wind down later on.
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                              • PR_Glen
                                Confirmed User
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 9058

                                #120
                                that has to be the first time i've ever seen doctor oz used as an authority on something health related that wasn't sarcastic. That's fucking too much.. yeah low fat diets are healthy and will leat to fat loss too!

                                fucking clown shoes around here.. and one of you will have their kids die because of it, congratulations. Darwin always wins.
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