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Ok this situation really does need some explaining - at stake are both the integrity of Ron Harris and the integrity of CCBILL's cascading billing. Which is why I feel CCBILL should have told us in this thread whether Ron Harris had in fact had his Epoch account set up to post back to CCBILL or not. If not, then CCBILL has absolutely nothing to do with this and Ron Harris is operating a 50% shave on affiliates.
2 hours ago I clicked this Ron Harris affiliate link code http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=1724478 - cybermike's affiliate link code. I signed up to Ron Harris using the Epoch link on his join page. 2 hours later cybermike hasn't seen a sale show up in his CCBILL Affiliate Admin for the signup.
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This isn't a ccbill issue as far as I can see. I setup the cascading on ours fairly early on in the beta, and how his setup is not ccbill cascading at all.Ok this situation really does need some explaining - at stake are both the integrity of Ron Harris and the integrity of CCBILL's cascading billing. Which is why I feel CCBILL should have told us in this thread whether Ron Harris had in fact had his Epoch account set up to post back to CCBILL or not. If not, then CCBILL has absolutely nothing to do with this and Ron Harris is operating a 50% shave on affiliates.
2 hours ago I clicked this Ron Harris affiliate link code http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=1724478 - cybermike's affiliate link code. I signed up to Ron Harris using the Epoch link on his join page. 2 hours later cybermike hasn't seen a sale show up in his CCBILL Affiliate Admin for the signup.
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whether he's cascading or not isn't really the issue - he definitely hasn't set up the cascading the way you have but it's still possible without doing that to follow CCBILL's instructions to have Epoch post back sales data to CCBILL and CCBILL affiliates *might* still be able to receive credit for Epoch sales initiated with a CCBILL link code. But since nobody from CCBILL has addressed this it just leaves everybody in the dark.
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Why would ccbill have a secret way of using epoch as processor for cascading? This issue doesn't affect me as I dont promote that program, but being someone that runs ccbill cascading thats not it.whether he's cascading or not isn't really the issue - he definitely hasn't set up the cascading the way you have but it's still possible without doing that to follow CCBILL's instructions to have Epoch post back sales data to CCBILL and CCBILL affiliates *might* still be able to receive credit for Epoch sales initiated with a CCBILL link code. But since nobody from CCBILL has addressed this it just leaves everybody in the dark.
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it's not a secret way - it's possibly just another way - where surfers are given a choice of which processor to use and affiliates still get credit via CCBILL for either processor
I am very suspicious of this because CCBILL's instructions on how to set up the use of both Epoch and CCBILL are very simple to follow and never mention the possibility of doing it the way Ron Harris has.
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i actually am friends with a guy who works for Ron Harris on the content side and just talked to him - that is a brand new tour design - in the last few days - so that might explain it.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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Yes, the tour seems to be new. However, when I check in the Wayback Machine how the signup page looked back in August 2007 I can see CCBill and Paycom being offered. Is this any different? I'm asking, not blaming... (yet)
http://web.archive.org/web/200708230...ronharris.html
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As far as I know, when you use CCBILL +their own cascading(and yes you can even set epoch primary) the linkincodes still look like 'ccbill' at first right?Questions?
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I think it's pretty obvious that this is a traffic leak, and that affiliates are not being credited for the Epoch signups.Comment
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Hi BV, if this has to do with the recent website changes, then what about this:
http://web.archive.org/web/200708230...ronharris.html
It's from August 2007, and it's CCBill & Paycom instead of CCBill & Epoch. Isn't this the same?
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I also investigated this last night. Paycom/Epoch same thing. But now they want to be referred to as Epoch)
But, No, the paycom link is different. See where it points? (joinronharris-paycom.html)
http://www.ronharris.com/joinronharris-paycom.html
And that's just 2007, that page has had both links as way back as 2005 or earlier if i remember correctly.
I think the problem is he has either 1. not uploaded his join page or 2. has the wrong ccbill redirect link set in his CCBill admin, and his ccbill link is 404'ing.
If you notice any 404 like: http://www.ronharris.com/anyurl.html 404's to the main index page. So it's a possibility that all affiliate links are 404'ng, and that the epoch code is lost. There might be a new/ cloned tour page that affiliate traffic should be going to and is not uploaded, or like i said the master redirect url that each ccbill client must set, could be set to a page that is not uploaded and 404'ng or the ccbill master redirect itself is set to the wrong url.
(when I say master ccbill redirect i am referring to this: http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...0013&PA=XXXXXX
This is just a guess of one of the things that could be happening.
But, I would imagine if you emailed them you would get it figured out.
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Just got a reply from Shaun at Ron Harris Cash:
I guess I can live with that. At least they're not trying to come up with some nonsense about a little web developer who has made a mistake...We recently signed up with epoch and placed it on our site to see how effective it would be. We did this because we will be implementing CCbills cascade billing with epoch as the secondary processor. To be perfectly honest with you, when we put the epoch link up we didn't really think about it impacting affiliate sales - I apologize for that.
The cascade billing will be up soon and you WILL get paid on all sales through epoch via ccbill.
Best
Shaun
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the sad part about this industry is just that, web developer means nothing these days, and anyone with 30 or less IQ can open a program, and when he fucks up because he isn't an actual webmaster with real life skills on the web, everyone pays in the end
sorry, I just get sick of seeing 20 new programs popping up every month run by a team of trained monkeys....not saying ron harris is a new program, he has a solid program that made an honest mistake, I am just rambling....Comment
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And then I asked about the Paycom link which seems to have been there since long. Another reply from Shaun:
So basically they tell me, "Ah, who cares if our affiliates lose a few $$ when people sign up through Epoch. The majority is using CCBill anyway."apparently I mis-understood - we are moving to cascade billing ASAP - and we recently moved epoch to the left side as opposed to the right side of the page to see what people prefer to use. Surprisingly it did not change much - the vast majority of people still go to ccbill first and epoch if they get refused on the ccbill link. The results just confirmed what we already thought, people know and trust ccbill with their credit card number more then epoch.
Once again sorry for the mishap.
Shaun
Or do I understand something wrong here? What is a "vast majority"? 80%? That still means a 20% loss in affiliate income which they put into their own pocket.
Anyway, I have pulled all my links to them.
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Good idea, I am not digging their answers at all.
I guess I'll eat crow too.
I never would have guessed someone of his stature could have such a chicken shit setup.
After looking around in the affiliate area, wow, very amateurish. Especially for such HOT HOT content. What a waste IMO. I'm sorry I posted in this thread.
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Got an email saying how great the new tour is
Work is complete on our brand new tour and woh... it is working like a charm. Early stats show a sharp increase in sales - particularly the one year memberships. Send your traffic here http://refer.ronharris.com/?PA=1724478 and you will notice the differance. More girls, more HD videos, better navigation. It's time to make more money with Ron
But the first link is epoch..Hey surfers how about some The Best Porn SitesComment
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If they insist on putting an Epoch link first I don't understand why they don't code it as part of the CCBill cascade. That way, everyone is happy..Comment
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They just released a cute sologirl site.. has this issue been resolved?Hey surfers how about some The Best Porn SitesComment
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Possibly for the same reason a lot of the small time shady ccbill programs like to have huge links to clips4sale while at the same time making the join link for the actual site very hard to see. CCBill can be a great way to help ensure you get a fair shake as an affiliate but there is still a lot of crap to check to make sure you are not being cheated. Cookie length, grouping status, cascading, traffic leaks, etc. So many will try to pull a fast one on you.
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