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ANY association with Joe is a negative. His problems aren't a freedom of speech issue or something the average person will even attempt to sympathize with ... The guy is in the news for underage girls and tax problems.
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the dodgeball thing was disappointing to say the least
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With all the whinging I hear adult webmasters do about "crossing over to mainstream" whatever the heck that means, it seems weird for people to be quite this upset about a little paparazzi attention.
Then again, I don't like dodgeball. Didn't like it in grade school and see no reason to inflict it upon myself as an adult.Comment
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Originally Posted by media
What a bunch of fucking hypocrites.. Alot of you got passes to attend our Closing party at Cherry Lounge, This was to attend an invite only area in the club as VIPs, you were anxious and happy to get in, and yet you now talk shit??? Sure Sure... Consume the booze, get hammered, dance your ass off, network, AND THEN post some bullshit
I have only been in North America just over a year so excuse me for my ignorance.
Is that what I have to do to break into this so called Bro Club?
If I hold a party and give free drinks will I be in the club? and no one will say shit about me and will support everything I do ?
Please Help? if its true I will hold a mega party in Montreal in May
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People were not scared - Attendees were told by the Phoenix police department (whom were present at the show) they would get in trouble and that the Hotel would lose its liquor license - then the hotel passed out fliers that warned everyone about nudity and public intoxicationICQ 115433750Comment
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Since it was my event that was cancelled, let me add my comments.
First, let me be clear that I DO NOT officially speak for CCBill or The Phoenix Forum, but we have worked together on the Forum for years and I always try to help them whenever I can.
The cancellation of the Dodgeball War was MY DECISION ALONE. The Forum organizers and the Mission Palms hotel felt they could handle the expected extra media attention that Girl's Gone Wild sponsorship would bring. Security was tighter than ever, and GGW disclosed their promotion and marketing plans before the show started. However, local news crews dropped below anyone's expections of professionalism by attempting to sneak into the hotel, circling the hotel with news helicopters, and staking out the mountain behind the hotel with long range cameras. The tennis courts where the dodgeball war is always played is clearly visible from there.
Pictures from previous year's dodgeball events were located online, and the hotel was warned by the AZ liquor control board about violating their rules regarding alcohol and public nudity. I was notified immediately by concerned hotel managers and show organizers. So out of respect for the Cadwell Family, the Tempe Mission Palms Hotel, and the attendees of the forum, I decided we should send back a loud and clear message that we are not here to cause trouble or break any laws. Cancelling my event seemed the best way to communicate that.
We shared our concerns with the people from GGW, who were very cooperative and apologetic, but also felt they were simply "doing what they do". This was their first time at the Forum, and their only possible mistake was bringing their consumer marketing machine to what is traditionally a very low key business-to-business only event.
I believe I owe GGW an apology. I was asked to make an announcement to the show attendees about the cancellation of the dodgeball war before I had all the facts. I should not have implied that they caused the cancellation of my event.
Now you know all the facts, let's move on to the next drama.
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The press was not camped out on the hillside to catch Joe Francis people...
The press was there to film me...
They heard that AMERICAN CANNIBAL is back by POPULAR DEMAND on SHOWTIME again this month, and they couldn't be believe an A List actor like myself was going to be in attendance.
http://www.sho.com/site/schedules/pr...991&seriesid=0
I heard there were also looking for MFM and Brad Shaw cause those two are now famous by proxy
Lighten up everybody- a lot of good will come of this experience for everyone I am sure.
I'd also like to be the first to thank GGW for the invite to the party last night.
While I didn't see GGW filming on the streets, if that is in fact true I would say that this tradeshow is NOT the place for that kind of exhibition.
People have to bear in mind that GGW has a lot of buses and they film during Spring Break everywhere.
While AZ is a hot destination, it's also pretty hot when you consider what SHANESWORLD did in Tempe a few years back with their College Invasion of ASU-
That got a lot of press...both good and bad.
But as a PR guy I have to say this...
ALL PRESS IS INDEED GOOD PRESS.
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While the people at GGW may thrive on media attention, the sponsors of this years dodgeball war (inlcuding myself) do not. I have learned from past experience that the mainstream press likes to exaggerate and vilify everyone in the adult industry. I am not interested in seeing my face on tv.Abra-cadabra!Comment
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you can't be serious? do you really think anyone would skip an open bar party based on principles?? get real. As for your reaction here, you represent ggw and with the shit they pulled last week and now this you are further tarnishing the name. A simple "thanks for coming" or even some damage control would have been appropriate but not name calling and bitching. After all, Joe did treat this like it was a public carnival when it clearly was not. I can't believe the organizers couldn't see this coming.Comment
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I respect your opinion, however I was mainly talking about those that came up, asked for passes, and then talked crap.. We did not hand out VIP passes to just anyone.. They were given to those who asked for them that we wanted there, or people we felt should be there at the party that were added to the list prior to the show. And that's that... And as for Damage control? Go back up and read the response from Steve, we all already obviously worked it out..I'm here for the violence!Comment
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I just wish joe francis had picked AVN Expo or even Internext to pull this shit, why did he decide to use the phoenix forum?
and yes, this is what girls gone wild does, which is why people need to think long and hard about letting them into future events
and media, I have always had respect for you, and I couldn't lose respect for you because of something like this, but you have to see where professionals in the industry are coming from when we are vocal about something like thisComment
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Jace man, it's all good!!! I see where everyone is coming from, I had my views on this as well.. I am one person in the mix however, I saw positives in it as well, It was something that was submitted and it WAS approved.. That being said.. We tried to make it a success for EVERYONE involved.. Never was there intent to damage anything that has for years been a well hidden and tight knit crowd of attendees.I'm here for the violence!Comment
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HAHA, for sure, I lost some cash that was sitting on the pool chair that was wrapped in a towel.. it was sitting there and someone had to be digging for some GGW shirts and spotted the cash and took it.. Next time I'll just have soggy money and keep it in my pocket.I'm here for the violence!Comment
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Yes, actually, adult professionals should be capable of skipping free drinks from someone they have no intention of doing business with. This is why the shows have gone downhill in general. Why should GGW or Lightspeed or any program sponsor a party if no one thinks they even have to say "thank you" for the drinks, much less promote the program who bought them.
Look at it this way. If you bought a girl a ton of drinks in a bar, even if she didn't sleep with you, you'd probably expect that she would at least not spend the next week running you down on the internet. Or do you think you should just thank her for drinking your wallet no matter what?Comment
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How can any local news media drop below anyone's expectations of professionalism? They LIVE below it. So this is clearly a case of ALL of you involved in organizing this being ignorant and/or naive (whichever term you prefer) about the attention GGW would get.However, local news crews dropped below anyone's expections of professionalism by attempting to sneak into the hotel, circling the hotel with news helicopters, and staking out the mountain behind the hotel with long range cameras.
It's not a valid excuse, you should have known better.Comment
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I'm sorry but you seem way too normal to work in adult. Either that or you have some serious blinders on. This is the bottom of the barrel even if no one wants to admit it. If you want an example, I would have more faith in an anonymous over the internet drug deal going through than an adult deal.Last edited by ProjectNaked; 03-30-2008, 07:15 PM.Comment
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I think that has got to be the dumbest post "Juicy D. Links" has ever made.
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I am with you.. I wasn't at the GGW party either. I was watching PR_Matt dominate at Rock Band.
There will be attention in anything Joe Frances does. I would have to assume he is a bright guy. He should have known attention would have followed into a function that wants no attention.
And at least the girls i shoot have 2 forms of ID before i put them on my films.
I was pretty excited to play on team "pimp roll" and it was a giant let down when i got the news about the cancellation.
Dodge ball or naked hop scotch, I hate when someone tells me "NO" of fucks up what i was looking forward to for a month. I already had the $1000 prize money spent!!!
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well said steve...
i just hope we can manage to continue on witht he fun next year
regardless of any set back or recalculation... I had a great time and all the sponsors pulled off another great show for the masses...
there was a ton of people this year and I HAVE to say... a lot of HOT women...
kudos to freeones, phil-flash, spunkycash and ftv for the ongoing tantalizing women... Im sure there were more contributing to the great awry of women, these are just the stand out fromt he top of my head... just got in... its time to retire for the evening... Lots Of Built up SEX!!Comment
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You guys love the media attention any fucking company that was there would benefit from any photo takin with a company name on it, or website name or even a girl appearing in the mainstream media.
Now you all acting crazy when something comes about that is 100% pure promotion acting like you are all to good for the attention.
Its a fucken crack up. You got something handed over on a silver plater and spat on it.
I would be so bold to say that regardless of what many of you think, Joe Francis is on his way to legendary industry status. One day people will talk about him like Larry Flynt or Hefner.
He is our generation, and made a fortune with his business.
Not to mention what I would call a clean business as his footage has girls having fun and partying while many of you celebrate pissing on pornstars, degrading girls and so on and so forth.
Keep singing haters...
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alien, shut the fuck up... theres a reason you dont get the clout you feel you deserve....
this was negative... read the arizona papers and come back to this shit... steve di the right thing, he has to look after himself and other people there instead of potnetial positive media...
this incident was NOT positive...Comment
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Bullshit.. Girlsgonewild rocks better then ever
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No I did not miss the point.
I didnt like GGW for a long time standing to me just a few years ago it was just another company doing late night annoying infomercials and every single time I saw one I would curse myself for not doing what he was doing himself.
He is easy to hate because of it, very few of you in the US were probably like me goin, "FUCK! Why don't I fucken do that shit!"
I figured out thats why I did not like GGW and well it was a shallow and superficial point of view. I guess I grew out of it and realised GGW is what it is and it certainly is a good business regardless of a few girls that managed to sneak on the footage, lie about iD's and so forth.
Which brings me to my point and what I think I see happening here in this thread.
Many of you hate GGW because of there success, so it will be easy for many of you to get on the hate wagon and talk shit.
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Negative? Whats negative about promotional value?
Or do you think the mainstream media will someday report the adult biz in some positive light? Stop day dreaming and expect mainstream to be the most condecending, insolent and insulting institution that faces the industry.
No such thing as bad press in the adult biz unless of course you do something illegal.
Just be glad they relie on the same rules under the 1st amendment as we do.
And no I am not saying Steve did anything wrong calling off Naked Dodge ball.
Big Fucking deal! No naked dodge ball OH noes!!!!
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As usual well spoken and to the point .. those of us who were there and saw the drama totally understood .. sometimes we have to act like adults and just pull the plug for the greater good ..
I am still thinking this will actually do us more good than bad promotion wise .. just my thoughts ..No sig .. just meComment
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WOW even though I think you area complete fuckin idiot....No I did not miss the point.
I didnt like GGW for a long time standing to me just a few years ago it was just another company doing late night annoying infomercials and every single time I saw one I would curse myself for not doing what he was doing himself.
He is easy to hate because of it, very few of you in the US were probably like me goin, "FUCK! Why don't I fucken do that shit!"
I figured out thats why I did not like GGW and well it was a shallow and superficial point of view. I guess I grew out of it and realised GGW is what it is and it certainly is a good business regardless of a few girls that managed to sneak on the footage, lie about iD's and so forth.
Which brings me to my point and what I think I see happening here in this thread.
Many of you hate GGW because of there success, so it will be easy for many of you to get on the hate wagon and talk shit.
I have to admit you are being 100% honest and factual here
There are soooooo many ebvious and jealous people in this industry it is beyond belief
Although I dont know Joe Francis.... I respect and admire gis company and everything they have done
I guess people forget that without guys like Joe to test the legal waters and truly be vocal for what he feels to be a legitamate biz... then we would all be fucked
people talk shit all the time about te media and the government attacking porn etc ec etc
and here is a guy whos not even doing a qauter of the shit most of you are.... and making a stand...... and you all bitch and whine about a fucking dodgeball competition???
wtf??
am I the only ebmaster here who gets any pussy
this is crazy
GGW guys keep doing your thing... keep pushing the fuckin limits as long as you have the resources to put up a good fight there is no need for you guys to quiver and back into a corner like some would rather..... this is fuckin America
Americans like porn and girls partying.... whoever osent like it tough fuckin luck
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