Originally Posted by Robbie

And you are repeatedly wrong.

Did you choose any of the things that our govt. has done?

So YOU are the one who decided to experiment on black people by giving them venereal diseases to see what would happen?

YOU are the one who decided that we should go into Vietnam?

YOU are the one who decided that we should invade Iraq?

You see...you are leaving out an important fact:
Our govt. does 99% of things in the shadows. We don't even KNOW what they are doing because they "Classify" everything.
If not for Snowen, we wouldn't even have known what the NSA was doing to us.

So no...obviously it's impossible for the PEOPLE to be in control of the govt. when that govt. is shrouded in secrecy.

Man, you really should stop thinking about everything as "patriotic" or not. The real world doesn't work that way.
The govt. is about as fucking evil as it gets.

Just because you might be a vet (I don't know you personally so I don't know if you're flat out lying or really a vet) doesn't mean you should be lockstep with the Feds.
I have family who are vets of Vietnam. And one who is in Afghanistan right now.
And they are not at all like you. They think for themselves. Some things they agree with, some not.