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  • dyna mo
    just a fucking jerk
    • Dec 2008
    • 68184

    #1

    the French Dip Controversy.





    In American cuisine a French dip sandwich is a hot sandwich consisting of thinly sliced roast beef on a French roll/baguette. It is served au jus ("with juice"), that is, with beef juice from the cooking process. Beef broth or beef consommé is sometimes substituted.

    Despite the name, this American specialty is almost completely unknown in France.


    Two Los Angeles restaurants have claimed to be the birthplace of the French dip sandwich: Cole's Pacific Electric Buffet and Philippe The Original.

    Both restaurants were established in 1908. However, Cole's claims to have originated the sandwich shortly after the restaurant opened in 1908, while Philippe's claims that owner Philippe Mathieu invented it in 1918.


    The story of the sandwich's invention by Philippe's claims that the sandwich was first created by a cook who, while preparing a sandwich for a police officer or fireman, accidentally dropped it into a pan of meat drippings.

    Cole's account states that the sandwich was invented by a sympathetic chef, Jack Garlinghouse, for a customer who was complaining of sore gums.



    This controversy over who originated the sandwich remains unresolved.







  • arock10
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2006
    • 6217

    #2
    it seems any of these places that invented "such and such sandwich" aren't very good

    like cheesesteaks
    Sup

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    • dyna mo
      just a fucking jerk
      • Dec 2008
      • 68184

      #3
      Originally posted by arock10
      it seems any of these places that invented "such and such sandwich" aren't very good

      like cheesesteaks
      i eat regularly at cole's and it's fantastic. i've dined at phillipe's a few times and it's very good too but the wait is stupid long,like an hour- standing on line.

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      • CaptainHowdy
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        • Dec 2004
        • 94023

        #4
        Foodie controversy, hah!

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        • arock10
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2006
          • 6217

          #5
          Originally posted by dyna mo
          i eat regularly at cole's and it's fantastic. i've dined at phillipe's a few times and it's very good too but the wait is stupid long,like an hour- standing on line.
          Myth busted I guess
          Sup

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          • Sarah_Jayne
            Now with more Jayne
            • Dec 2002
            • 40077

            #6
            I've only been to Philippe's and I enjoyed it but the most exciting part for me was that they sold Pa Dutch red beet eggs at the counter. For a displaced PA Dutch girl that was an oddly exciting surprise.

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            • MrMaxwell
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              • Jul 2005
              • 10057

              #7
              http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8180307AAg8pWQ

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              • sandman!
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                #8
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                • avalanche
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                  • Feb 2005
                  • 1922

                  #9
                  Pretty much everything at Philippe's is insanely good. Their dips, custard, cole slaw, pie, and their hot mustard! Not something to miss if you're in the area. Cheap too, cash only.
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                  • RandyRandy
                    Clips still sell!
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 1708

                    #10
                    Originally posted by arock10
                    it seems any of these places that invented "such and such sandwich" aren't very good

                    like cheesesteaks
                    The original cheesesteak - at Pat's on 9th & Passyunk in South Philly is very good.

                    And I used to enjoy the Reuben sandwich at Reuben's (yes, where the sandwich was invented) on 38th and Madson in NYC. Sadly, Reuben's closed about 10 years ago.

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                    • Sarah_Jayne
                      Now with more Jayne
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 40077

                      #11
                      Originally posted by RandyRandy
                      The original cheesesteak - at Pat's on 9th & Passyunk in South Philly is very good.
                      Correct.


                      And Ginos isn't bad either but as a Pat's fan, I can only say that outloud every so often. Outside of Philly, it is difficult to get anything close to either.

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                      • Mutt
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 34431

                        #12
                        I love French Dip roast beef sandwiches and same for Reuben's.

                        Is French Onion Soup an American creation or from France? We know French fries aren't from France.
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                        • dyna mo
                          just a fucking jerk
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 68184

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Sarah_Jayne
                          I've only been to Philippe's and I enjoyed it but the most exciting part for me was that they sold Pa Dutch red beet eggs at the counter. For a displaced PA Dutch girl that was an oddly exciting surprise.
                          did you eat one of those? i haven't tried them. i can't seem to try the eggs sitting in the liquid on the bar

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                          • RandyRandy
                            Clips still sell!
                            • Jul 2012
                            • 1708

                            #14
                            Originally posted by dyna mo

                            Despite the name, this American specialty is almost completely unknown in France.
                            Did you know in France, if you add (French) fries to a sandwich (as a topping, not on the side), it's called "a la Americain"?

                            My favorite though is in Colombia. Insteading of saying "Let's go Dutch" - meaning each person pays for themselves, they say: let's go American. Which is really ironic, because as an American in Colombia, I've always picked up every check - and never had a Colombian offer to chip in.

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                            • slapass
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                              • Nov 2002
                              • 14625

                              #15
                              Now when did it become acceptable to put cheese on it? I always thought it was sans cheese.

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                              • EddyTheDog
                                Just Doing My Own Thing
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 25433

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Mutt
                                I love French Dip roast beef sandwiches and same for Reuben's.

                                Is French Onion Soup an American creation or from France? We know French fries aren't from France.
                                French onion soup is very French - I actually have a French guy here at the moment who I can ask...

                                He confirms it's French - He also said something about stupid fucking Americans but I stopped listening (true story, his name is Matt).....

                                All I know is that I am starving...

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                                • Arnox
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                                  • Sep 2009
                                  • 2169

                                  #17


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                                  • dillfly2000
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                                    • Mar 2012
                                    • 2209

                                    #18
                                    Had a french dip yesterday at Perkins. yep...
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                                    • pornmasta
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                                      • Jun 2006
                                      • 19811

                                      #19
                                      i can't afford a dip but i like poo

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                                      • RandyRandy
                                        Clips still sell!
                                        • Jul 2012
                                        • 1708

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by EddyTheDog
                                        French onion soup is very French - I actually have a French guy here at the moment who I can ask...

                                        He confirms it's French - He also said something about stupid fucking Americans but I stopped listening (true story, his name is Matt).....

                                        All I know is that I am starving...
                                        It is absolutely French. My mother (straight off the boat from France) still makes French Onion soup when it's cold outside, using crocks she brought from Alsace. The broth is spiked with Cognac and the cheese used to top the crocks is gruyere, France's version of what we call Swiss cheese. It's finished in the oven, and I can still see my mother pulling out the crocks by the handles, using oven mitts!

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                                        • JFK
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                                          • Jan 2002
                                          • 67369

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by RandyRandy
                                          It is absolutely French. My mother (straight off the boat from France) still makes French Onion soup when it's cold outside, using crocks she brought from Alsace. The broth is spiked with Cognac and the cheese used to top the crocks is gruyere, France's version of what we call Swiss cheese. It's finished in the oven, and I can still see my mother pulling out the crocks by the handles, using oven mitts!

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                                          • EddyTheDog
                                            Just Doing My Own Thing
                                            • Jan 2011
                                            • 25433

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by JFK
                                            love it, made it last week
                                            I am not normally into soup - I always think of it like a hot vegetable smoothie - A good onion soup is a feast though - I love it...

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                                            • dyna mo
                                              just a fucking jerk
                                              • Dec 2008
                                              • 68184

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by slapass
                                              Now when did it become acceptable to put cheese on it? I always thought it was sans cheese.
                                              i may be bastardizing mine, but when i make them at home, i put swiss on them, i don't order them that way on the outside though and would never ask even!
                                              Originally posted by Arnox


                                              Skip to 1:50 for a segment on this.
                                              hah, that was xcllnt. and that was a slow day, based on my experience, it really is like the dmv in there. partly why i'm partial to cole's, + coles's has a killer full bar and is stumble home close.

                                              Originally posted by RandyRandy
                                              It is absolutely French. My mother (straight off the boat from France) still makes French Onion soup when it's cold outside, using crocks she brought from Alsace. The broth is spiked with Cognac and the cheese used to top the crocks is gruyere, France's version of what we call Swiss cheese. It's finished in the oven, and I can still see my mother pulling out the crocks by the handles, using oven mitts!

                                              http://

                                              i haven't made french dip sammies and homemade onion soup in ages, but this has me thinking i need to geta crock and make some. my version of onion soup is/was quite simple, slice up some really nice onions, put them in beef consomme, simmer for a long time. there might be a spice or 2 but i can't recall, i'm going to go to my recipe folder, might be some clues...............

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                                              • CDSmith
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                                                • May 2001
                                                • 51460

                                                #24
                                                Want to throw a real twist in? Substitute in some French onion soup in place of the "au jus" and dip your french dip sandwich in that.

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                                                • Sly
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                                                  • Sep 2004
                                                  • 31377

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Mutt
                                                  I love French Dip roast beef sandwiches and same for Reuben's.

                                                  Is French Onion Soup an American creation or from France? We know French fries aren't from France.
                                                  The other night I had a reuben pizza. It was awesome.
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                                                  • RandyRandy
                                                    Clips still sell!
                                                    • Jul 2012
                                                    • 1708

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                    i haven't made french dip sammies and homemade onion soup in ages, but this has me thinking i need to geta crock and make some. my version of onion soup is/was quite simple, slice up some really nice onions, put them in beef consomme, simmer for a long time. there might be a spice or 2 but i can't recall, i'm going to go to my recipe folder, might be some clues...............
                                                    I just called my mother - she uses thyme.

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                                                    • pornmasta
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Jun 2006
                                                      • 19811

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                      Want to throw a real twist in? Substitute in some French onion soup in place of the "au jus" and dip your french dip sandwich in that.

                                                      Amazing.
                                                      or replace it with orange juice, it works also to get it "au jus". You can also replace the bread with a patato

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                                                      • dyna mo
                                                        just a fucking jerk
                                                        • Dec 2008
                                                        • 68184

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                        Want to throw a real twist in? Substitute in some French onion soup in place of the "au jus" and dip your french dip sandwich in that.

                                                        Amazing.
                                                        !!!!!!!!!!!1

                                                        Originally posted by RandyRandy
                                                        I just called my mother - she uses thyme.
                                                        nice! thanks for that

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                                                        • RevSand
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                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                          • 8151

                                                          #29
                                                          Philippes FTW!!

                                                          and I have never waiting more then like 10-15 mins in line there.


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                                                          • Mutt
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                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                            • 34431

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by RandyRandy

                                                            grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ....... one of my favorite foods. between authentic Jewish matzo ball soup and French Onion for favorite soup, minestrone a close third.
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                                                            • Sarah_Jayne
                                                              Now with more Jayne
                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                              • 40077

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                              did you eat one of those? i haven't tried them. i can't seem to try the eggs sitting in the liquid on the bar
                                                              Well, I am a Pennsylvania Dutch girl who grew up with them as something that was always in the house. So, my opinion isn't likely to be the same as that of other people. I did try them and they tasted just like my mom makes. So, I bought a couple to take home.

                                                              Also, I had the lamb dip which is what brought me there anyway because I haven't seen one of those on a menu before.

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                                                              • Mutt
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                • 34431

                                                                #32


                                                                This french onion soup crock makes the best mobile cereal bowl ever. I have used one for 30 years - u can carry/eat cereal anywhere without spilling a drop.
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                                                                • dyna mo
                                                                  just a fucking jerk
                                                                  • Dec 2008
                                                                  • 68184

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by EddyTheDog
                                                                  French onion soup is very French - I actually have a French guy here at the moment who I can ask...

                                                                  He confirms it's French - He also said something about stupid fucking Americans but I stopped listening (true story, his name is Matt).....

                                                                  All I know is that I am starving...
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                                                                  • dyna mo
                                                                    just a fucking jerk
                                                                    • Dec 2008
                                                                    • 68184

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Sarah_Jayne
                                                                    Well, I am a Pennsylvania Dutch girl who grew up with them as something that was always in the house. So, my opinion isn't likely to be the same as that of other people. I did try them and they tasted just like my mom makes. So, I bought a couple to take home.

                                                                    Also, I had the lamb dip which is what brought me there anyway because I haven't seen one of those on a menu before.
                                                                    right on, being from the south, i can eat 12-13 deviled eggs in 1 sitting (those are 1/2 eggs;-0)but the pickled eggs and the red ones i just can't do, some friends and i meet up at joe jost in lb occasionally and several of them getinto pickled egg eating contests. can't do.

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                                                                    • Red Ezra
                                                                      redezra.com
                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                      • 4678

                                                                      #35
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                                                                      Johnnies French Dip on Sepulveda is the best french dip sammich IMHO - by the way - they don't give you au jus to dip it in - its already dipped - same at Phillipes if I remember correctly. I used to stop at Johnnies on the way to play poker at Hollywood Park.

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                                                                      • the Shemp
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                                                                        • Nov 2001
                                                                        • 10891

                                                                        #36
                                                                        we call that a beef dip ...
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                                                                        • Phoenix
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                                                                          • 35475

                                                                          #37
                                                                          damn it now im hungry..im not getting anything like what i see here
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                                                                          • nico-t
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                                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                                            • 29901

                                                                            #38
                                                                            I thought they would be called freedom dip sandwiches now

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                                                                            • Stephen
                                                                              Consigliere
                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                              • 1771

                                                                              #39
                                                                              I allow myself a French Dip now and again, with the meat browned, add crispy bacon, mayo and Provolone cheese, simply because you can't get a decent cheesesteak in California

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                                                                              • Tom_PM
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                                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                                • 16443

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Did you know that Americans threw out French wine and renamed French fries at the urging of a dim witted administration who wanted to discredit the French ambassador to the UN who called for weapons inspectors to actually find WMD in Iraq before authorizing military strikes?
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                                                                                I've heard the story about the accidental drop in the juice and the cop loving the result. There is also disputes about who invented the hamburger. I believe the one who made it on toasted white bread, with a slab of onion and tomato and beef and nothing else. Great way to make a burger.
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                                                                                • media
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                                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                                  • 9853

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                  i eat regularly at cole's and it's fantastic. i've dined at phillipe's a few times and it's very good too but the wait is stupid long,like an hour- standing on line.
                                                                                  You've gotta get there at the right time of day... my name is carved in the wall upstairs at Phillipes.. I love that place... I used a spoon to carve this bad boy in the brick.. Last time we went back there it was still exactly the same.. I think it'll be there for a long long time like a lot of the other names up there..

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