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Originally Posted by sperbonzo
Rochard.... You are amazing. People have shown you PLENTY of examples where they have broken the law, and yet you just keep on repeating yourself over and over, like a mantra. Are you trying to convince yourself?
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Someone else - Barry - posted up a number of links in another thread this weekend. None of them provided any proof of the NSA breaking any laws. Instead, they were about the ACLU trying to take the US Goverment to court because they thought a law was illegal, and another link about how one of eleven Federal judges quit over this. Multiple posts and half a dozen links, and he was unable to provide me with a link proving where the law was violated.
Can you show me a link where someone was arrested, and went to jail because the NSA did something illegal? (I can.)
I am not really saying that the NSA hasn't broken any laws. I am sure they have; It would be difficult for them not to break any laws. The laws are created, then law enforcement or Homeland Security wants to do one thing, and suddenly it falls on the NSA to define the law legally, and decide where the line is. On more than one occasion the NSA has come back and said "We don't believe we can do this legally" and multiple times the NSA has reported itself back to Congress saying they may have unintentionally broken the law.
My problem is that a lot of people believe the NSA is automatically tapping everyone's phones and emails, and I don't believe that is the case. With that said, any law enforcement agency can quickly get a warrant and read all of your email since the beginning of time and trace your location through cell phone towers quicker than they can bake a pie. Law enforcement has always been able to do this; When I was a teen a friend's house was robbed and I got called in because someone I lived with had called a pawn shop.
If Homeland Security wants to read your email they will - all they need to do is get a warrant, which seems to be a rubber stamp process. They might even be able to read your email in real lime. But I don't believe the NSA is doing it in bulk without a warrant. It's not like getting a warrant is a difficult process.