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10-19-2013, 08:04 PM

I need to start a thread... my findings are killing me.

What I did was simply swap out saraswirls.com prejoin... and join page. Here are results:

May
Ratio: 1/973

June
Ratio: 1/1029

July
Ratio: 1/801

August
Ratio: 1/892

September
Ratio: 1/1095

October (THIS IS WHERE NEW NO LIMITS BILLING WAS INSTALLED)
Ratio: 1/386

These numbers are as real as they get... anyone who wants to step up their program hit me up. I will double your revenue...

markj at nolimitlsllc.net is a good email

I have learned a lot along the way... but what always bothered me was the billing process. Well, now, let me tell you about the billing process. For starters... you don't need third party billers!

And I would also like to express my interest in blackflag band... because they rock! Whatever music you listen to I suggest putting it into your car. Because radio bands suck almost as bad as 3rd party billers!

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10-19-2013, 08:08 PM

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10-19-2013, 08:13 PM

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10-19-2013, 08:24 PM

I would like to express my belief in that listening to good music... sooths the soul.

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10-19-2013, 08:30 PM

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10-19-2013, 08:46 PM

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I would like to express my belief in that listening to good music... sooths the soul.

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10-19-2013, 11:27 PM

I am so fed up man!!! Holy shit I need the cure!

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10-20-2013, 01:10 AM

What else (if anything) did you change, besides the biller? The form?

But.... I pulled out...
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10-20-2013, 01:51 AM

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10-20-2013, 01:58 AM

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10-20-2013, 02:32 AM

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10-20-2013, 02:33 AM

i cunt etc etc etc... double your sales!

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10-20-2013, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by beaner

I need to start a thread... my findings are killing me.

What I did was simply swap out saraswirls.com prejoin... and join page. Here are results:

May
Ratio: 1/973

June
Ratio: 1/1029

July
Ratio: 1/801

August
Ratio: 1/892

September
Ratio: 1/1095

October (THIS IS WHERE NEW NO LIMITS BILLING WAS INSTALLED)
Ratio: 1/386

These numbers are as real as they get... anyone who wants to step up their program hit me up. I will double your revenue...

markj at nolimitlsllc.net is a good email

I have learned a lot along the way... but what always bothered me was the billing process. Well, now, let me tell you about the billing process. For starters... you don't need third party billers!

And I would also like to express my interest in blackflag band... because they rock! Whatever music you listen to I suggest putting it into your car. Because radio bands suck almost as bad as 3rd party billers!

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10-20-2013, 06:57 AM

What is "NEW NO LIMITS BILLING "

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10-20-2013, 07:21 AM

I looked at your pre-join and join page - what on those pages do you credit for the dramatic improvement in conversion rate? nothing jumped out at me as to why somebody would be 3 times as likely to submit their credit card as they would if it was a CCBILL or Epoch join page.

Were you using a pre-join page where surfers input their username/pass/email and radio buttons to select between full membership and trial?

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10-20-2013, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Mutt

I looked at your pre-join and join page - what on those pages do you credit for the dramatic improvement in conversion rate? nothing jumped out at me as to why somebody would be 3 times as likely to submit their credit card as they would if it was a CCBILL or Epoch join page.

Were you using a pre-join page where surfers input their username/pass/email and radio buttons to select between full membership and trial?

Well isn't that the million dollar question?

If I were not still busy kicking my hubby in his tiny nuts for all those years pissing away sales and transactions with 3rd party billers I would try and answer but I am busy kicking him in the nuts!
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10-20-2013, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Mutt

I looked at your pre-join and join page - what on those pages do you credit for the dramatic improvement in conversion rate? nothing jumped out at me as to why somebody would be 3 times as likely to submit their credit card as they would if it was a CCBILL or Epoch join page.

Were you using a pre-join page where surfers input their username/pass/email and radio buttons to select between full membership and trial?

I could tell you the answer, I actually have it all written out and sent to someone, but none of you will get it. Not to be insulting, but it is the hard truth. It is the smaller details typically that make, or break, the process.
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10-20-2013, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by beaner

I could tell you the answer, I actually have it all written out and sent to someone, but none of you will get it. Not to be insulting, but it is the hard truth. It is the smaller details typically that make, or break, the process.

So you start a thread, about you findings that are awesome. But when asked, you don't want to share the details with the rest of us because we are too stupid?

Some funny shit lol

But.... I pulled out...
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10-20-2013, 10:57 AM

Good stuff however only 1 month of stats is really not enough to judge anything on imho

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10-20-2013, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Markul

So you start a thread, about you findings that are awesome. But when asked, you don't want to share the details with the rest of us because we are too stupid?

Some funny shit lol

It is funny actually. I've given the tips multiple, multiple times in multiple threads. And nobody wants to listen. I started a thread about my findings, and hit me up if you want.

I'm not copy/pasting an email the size of a small story on this board to fall on deaf ears.
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10-20-2013, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by beaner

It is funny actually. I've given the tips multiple, multiple times in multiple threads. And nobody wants to listen. I started a thread about my findings, and hit me up if you want.

I'm not copy/pasting an email the size of a small story on this board to fall on deaf ears.

So why start the thread in the first place?

But.... I pulled out...
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10-20-2013, 11:04 AM

hit beaner up for the contemporary theory as to why and hit me up for the conspiracy theory as to why!

Either way you slice it truth is truth...when billing reps and asshats tell lies....the numbers always speak truth.

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10-20-2013, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by Markul

So why start the thread in the first place?

To give my findings... I said it in first sentence... the findings are killing me.

People who are *TRULY* interested in making a shit ton more money can email me direct.
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10-20-2013, 11:44 AM

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10-20-2013, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Roald

Good stuff however only 1 month of stats is really not enough to judge anything on imho

Thanks Roald!

To add... it is the exact same thing I saw when I opened up my mainstream merchant account. Sales immediately increased (multiple reasons) and rebills are out of this world awesome. I offer $0 trial on mainstream and easily keep chargebacks in check.

Originally posted by SwirlsGirl

hit beaner up for the contemporary theory as to why and hit me up for the conspiracy theory as to why!

Either way you slice it truth is truth...when billing reps and asshats tell lies....the numbers always speak truth.

Great work Beaner, I love it when a plan comes together and doubters and asshats can insert and initiate consumption of CROW

Honestly Sara, I was so discouraged trying to secure a merchant account. Snotty little reps wanted nothing to do with me unless I could prove 100K/month billing or some outlandish requirement.
We really, really lucked out with an old contact who came through for us. And what do you know?
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10-20-2013, 12:36 PM

How many sales a day does Sara make, on average, before the change and now?

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10-20-2013, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by The Porn Nerd

How many sales a day does Sara make, on average, before the change and now?

You know i'm not sharing that info. I am sharing the conversion increase. The dollar amount is by most, significant. What will blow your mind will be the rebills coming in over the following months.
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10-20-2013, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by beaner

You know i'm not sharing that info. I am sharing the conversion increase. The dollar amount is by most, significant. What will blow your mind will be the rebills coming in over the following months.

Yes but without knowing the CONTEXT for these numbers they don't really help much.

In other words, going from 3 sales a day to 6 sales a day is great but doesn't impress me that much, especially since the data is so new. But if she went from 20 sales to 40+ sales THEN I would be impressed.

The problem with just touting conversion ratios is that they don't translate to other websites, companies, operations, etc. How much traffic Sara gets and where it comes from is way more important data than simply doubling conversion ratios. Volume of sales is critical.

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10-20-2013, 02:10 PM

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10-20-2013, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by The Porn Nerd

Yes but without knowing the CONTEXT for these numbers they don't really help much.

In other words, going from 3 sales a day to 6 sales a day is great but doesn't impress me that much, especially since the data is so new. But if she went from 20 sales to 40+ sales THEN I would be impressed.

The problem with just touting conversion ratios is that they don't translate to other websites, companies, operations, etc. How much traffic Sara gets and where it comes from is way more important data than simply doubling conversion ratios. Volume of sales is critical.

It more then doubled.

I've set this up before, in mainstream. I will get to my computer and post the graph. It is, without any shadow of a doubt; the ratio of conversions that matter. The ratio will always hold true. So 5 sales, 20 sales, 100 sales... it doesnt matter.

And dont you want to get out of adult? Shit, i could bill the hell out of your sites and give you that exit. I have no plans to shoot content or any of that, but would make a sale price to someone much more desirable.

Will get you the chart.
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10-20-2013, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by beaner

Will get you the chart.

Sexy Chart Below. Same deal, just mainstream. Considering the proper use of trials, a merchant account, and rebilling model. Saraswirls will follow that same pattern, I guarantee it!
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10-20-2013, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by beaner

Sexy Chart Below. Same deal, just mainstream. Considering the proper use of trials, a merchant account, and rebilling model. Saraswirls will follow that same pattern, I guarantee it!

We will see if Sara follows your mainstream success but I can tell you that conversion ratios sometimes do NOT hold up based on volume. Meaning, 5 sales, 10 sales, 40 sales - sometimes traffic does not add up to conversions.

Example:
Get 5k hits to a tour, make 10 sales. 1:500!
Get 10k hits to same exact tour: 15 sales.
Get 20k hits to same exact tour make 25 sales....

Hmmm....

Get 30k hits to same exact tour, get 41 sales.....

And this can change from day-to-day, too.

Now you would THINK the first example would hold true across the traffic increases but hey ho sometimes it doesn't. LOL

So yes, VOLUME of sales and traffic depends greatly when you're trying to ramp up sales. This is my experience only, of course, others who are smarter and know this game better should comment on whether increased traffic always translates to increased sales/conversions.

I wish you GREAT success tho and hope Sara's site does indeed follow your mainstream success.

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10-20-2013, 02:33 PM

Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

<[email protected]>:
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10-20-2013, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by The Porn Nerd

We will see if Sara follows your mainstream success but I can tell you that conversion ratios sometimes do NOT hold up based on volume. Meaning, 5 sales, 10 sales, 40 sales - sometimes traffic does not add up to conversions.

Example:
Get 5k hits to a tour, make 10 sales. 1:500!
Get 10k hits to same exact tour: 15 sales.
Get 20k hits to same exact tour make 25 sales....

Hmmm....

Get 30k hits to same exact tour, get 41 sales.....

And this can change from day-to-day, too.

Now you would THINK the first example would hold true across the traffic increases but hey ho sometimes it doesn't. LOL

So yes, VOLUME of sales and traffic depends greatly when you're trying to ramp up sales. This is my experience only, of course, others who are smarter and know this game better should comment on whether increased traffic always translates to increased sales/conversions.

I wish you GREAT success tho and hope Sara's site does indeed follow your mainstream success.

Thank you!

I have no doubt that it will, and many more to come.

Just to clarify... we did nothing on the third of this month different. No added traffic, nothing. I put live the pre-join and the join page and bam... immediate increase. Do not get me wrong, I put live forms last month and offered a ridiculously low trial and... NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. I pulled them, went back to drawing board... and wadda bam... sales.

We have purchased traffic the last 7 days, but that only makes the overall ratio higher. We are seeing sales from purchased traffic so that will continue. But from the 3rd, to about the 13th... NOTHING changed except pre-join and join page. And the numbers, by themselves, tell the story.
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10-20-2013, 02:40 PM

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Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

<[email protected]>:
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it is nolimitsllc.net ... not nolimitlsllc.net

Yup... I typed it wrong originally
My bad.

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10-20-2013, 06:21 PM

I just want to clarify something as I have received a lot of emails (god knows how since I posted the wrong email lol)... I am not a biller.

I cannot bill as a biller. I can, and is perfectly legit, partner with programs and provide the billing for sites that I am partnered with. That partnership includes anything that any other partnership would include.

But think about it... you are basically partners with third party billers anyway. You are giving them 15% to get your sales processed. And by doing so, you are getting your asses handed to you by hard scrubs, generic forms, lack of sales thought, etc. etc.
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10-20-2013, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by beaner

I just want to clarify something as I have received a lot of emails (god knows how since I posted the wrong email lol)...

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10-21-2013, 12:04 AM

Those ratios aren't even worth worrying about - not to mention considering as a business improvement strategy.
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10-21-2013, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by beaner

I just want to clarify something as I have received a lot of emails (god knows how since I posted the wrong email lol)... I am not a biller.

I cannot bill as a biller. I can, and is perfectly legit, partner with programs and provide the billing for sites that I am partnered with. That partnership includes anything that any other partnership would include.

But think about it... you are basically partners with third party billers anyway. You are giving them 15% to get your sales processed. And by doing so, you are getting your asses handed to you by hard scrubs, generic forms, lack of sales thought, etc. etc.

So what is your offer?
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10-21-2013, 06:22 AM

This is interesting on a lot of levels.

Why the conversion rate has changed so radically is a subject for conjecture at best.

If only a month, there are few rebills, I am assuming a monthly subscription and not rebills like our cam sites do. You mean conversions from free trials ( or $3 [whatever])?

What your chargebacks (and disputed transactions) will be a few months down the road remains to be determined. With your own merchant account you can not only dispute chargebacks but also institute your own loss control processes at the transaction-point (the "buy page').

I don't think the volume matters that much -- any profit is a good profit. But it is only a profit when you deduct your time spent in administering your own merchant account and the billing process.

Like I said in the beginning "This is interesting on a lot of levels."
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10-21-2013, 07:19 AM

Doubled sales confirmed...

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10-21-2013, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam

This is interesting on a lot of levels.

Why the conversion rate has changed so radically is a subject for conjecture at best.

If only a month, there are few rebills, I am assuming a monthly subscription and not rebills like our cam sites do. You mean conversions from free trials ( or $3 [whatever])?

What your chargebacks (and disputed transactions) will be a few months down the road remains to be determined. With your own merchant account you can not only dispute chargebacks but also institute your own loss control processes at the transaction-point (the "buy page').

I don't think the volume matters that much -- any profit is a good profit. But it is only a profit when you deduct your time spent in administering your own merchant account and the billing process.

Like I said in the beginning "This is interesting on a lot of levels."

"This is interesting on a lot of levels"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK2L8yk376A

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10-21-2013, 08:38 AM

I see there was a $5 drop for 30 days access and a $10 drop for 90 days access.

Anyhoo, so Saraswirls went from billing through CCBILL then Verotel and now No Limits.

Does one still sign up as an affiliate with CCBILL? Is the affiliate paid by CCBILL? Or paid by Verotel? Or paid by No Limits?

What's the 411 on this?

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10-21-2013, 09:16 AM

Beaner can break all of that down for you much better and with more clarity than me.

When you realize that we are 100% serious as a hear attack with good intentions sharing data and results we are not obligated to share then folks may actually end up appreciating our motives and efforts.

We could have slept, sat on and kept this revelation to ourselves but it really is too astonishing to hoard, and it is the right thing to do regardless of all the insults and names we have been called for making these assertions and calling in to question the integrity of 3rd party billers

Rest assured with this thread and this data their integrity is now under a microscope...not ours

I do not suspect they are thrilled or relieved at the findings we have shared

Again no B.S. Simply removing 3rd party billers from the equation and now counting and collecting our own sales,and data in real time is what has happened.

The results speak for itself.

I just can't help to rub it in because of all the shit talking and name calling I had to endure to get this point proven.
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10-21-2013, 10:05 AM

I am so psyched for this! Go Beaner!
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10-21-2013, 10:16 AM

Whats your email beaner?
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10-21-2013, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by SwirlsGirl

"This is interesting on a lot of levels"

well answer the question then

I am supposed to be impressed by a youtube video?

We do a very large volume of transactions (thousands of transactions a day) and loss control is a big issue ... I would wait to "declare victory" for 6 months or so of processing experience.

There is always some blowback in any new process to be mitigated. You still have the chargeback ratios to stay under. If you are excepting/approving more sales, that in itself is good, but your exposure to chargebacks increases -- hopefully not in proportion or in excessive proportion to your accepted transaction ratio increase. That is the "tough row to hoe" in credit card processing.
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10-21-2013, 11:47 AM

How long until we see take the money and run.
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10-21-2013, 12:10 PM

As much as I didn't enjoy Beaners earlier spam work.. THIS is an area I believe in strongly, and over the years have encountered many problems with.

I know the immediate effects of two very important things, micro-tweaking join forms, page continuity, and most of all SCRUBBING.

I support you on this one Beaner, hope you help a lot of people out. If I were them, I would at least keep an open mind.

Barry - as usual, very good points and spot on with the concerns.. but I still believe it.

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CHAT SALES - PAID TRAFFIC - CONVERSION - CREATIVES - CONSULTATION
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