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  • Mutt
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Sep 2002
    • 34431
    #1

    Is it 'Ukraine' or 'The Ukraine'?

    When I was young people would say 'The people down the street are from the Ukraine' - is it more common now to 'they are from Ukraine'?

    what about Czech Republic - is it The Czech Republic or just Czech Republic? I even hear people saying 'He's from Czech' which sounds funny, it would be like saying 'He's from American'
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    • PR_Glen
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      • Oct 2006
      • 9058
      #2
      sounds common to me, kinda like The Congo.

      The South Of France bothers me though, I have a feeling nobody calls it that there.. at least nobody i know who lives there.. hehe
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        • Barry-xlovecam
          It's 42
          • Jun 2010
          • 18083
          #3
          A friend of mine from the UK lived in Ukraine for a while -- "The" is not included in the country's name -- he corrected me often.

          Someone from Olso is not a citizen of The Norway.

          However, Joe from the United States city of Chicago is an American citizen

          If you hail from Amsterdam you are living in The Netherlands ...
          Last edited by Barry-xlovecam; 10-11-2013, 05:24 AM.

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            • jigg
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              • Feb 2002
              • 2527
              #4
              Ukraina... no The
              ......
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                • MaDalton
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                  • Feb 2004
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                  #5
                  Czech Republic/Česká republika

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic
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                    • crockett
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                      • May 2003
                      • 76818
                      #6
                      I dated a girl from there and they always referred to it as Ukraine.
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                        • Grapesoda
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                          • Jul 2003
                          • 46238
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Mutt
                          When I was young people would say 'The people down the street are from the Ukraine' - is it more common now to 'they are from Ukraine'?

                          what about Czech Republic - is it The Czech Republic or just Czech Republic? I even hear people saying 'He's from Czech' which sounds funny, it would be like saying 'He's from American'
                          before the civil war it was 'those united stated' after the civil war it became 'the united states'

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                            • Shap
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                              • May 2001
                              • 8313
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                              A friend of mine from the UK lived in Ukraine for a while -- "The" is not included in the country's name -- he corrected me often.

                              Someone from Olso is not a citizen of The Norway.

                              However, Joe from the United States city of Chicago is an American citizen

                              If you hail from Amsterdam you are living in The Netherlands ...
                              If we are going to have a thread about questions

                              Barry why do you always have that weird spacing in your posts?

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                                • TheDA
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                                  • May 2006
                                  • 4665
                                  #9
                                  I've always, and probably will always call it The Ukraine, but it is wrong. It should simply be Ukraine.
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                                    • Manfap
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                                      • Jan 2013
                                      • 2626
                                      #10
                                      Could have come about when it was part of the USSR. so The Ukraine was the area.

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                                        • O MARINA
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                                          • Mar 2003
                                          • 13796
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Mutt
                                          When I was young people would say 'The people down the street are from the Ukraine' - is it more common now to 'they are from Ukraine'?
                                          Never heard anyone refer to it with "the".
                                          Just pronounce it "Ykraeena".

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                                              #12
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                                                • AndrewX
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by O MARINA
                                                  Never heard anyone refer to it with "the".
                                                  Just pronounce it "Ykraeena".
                                                  Ooh-kra-eena. The Y is the cirillic U.
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                                                    • O MARINA
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                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                      • 13796
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by AndrewX
                                                      Ooh-kra-eena. The Y is the cirillic U.


                                                      Yeah, exactly

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                                                        • Barry-xlovecam
                                                          It's 42
                                                          • Jun 2010
                                                          • 18083
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Shap
                                                          If we are going to have a thread about questions

                                                          Barry why do you always have that weird spacing in your posts?
                                                          I despise uniformity ;)

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                                                            • erikwil
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                                                              #16
                                                              The Ukraine is incorrect, but everyone outside Ukraine says it. Prettiest girls in the world by the way
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                                                                • oppoten
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                                                                  • Nov 2007
                                                                  • 4793
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                  Could have come about when it was part of the USSR. so The Ukraine was the area.
                                                                  I think this is the reason. I've seen Russians put "the" in front of many words when writing English, where an English speaker wouldn't say it.

                                                                  Might also be an independence thing, Ukrainians saying Ukraine because Russians said "the Ukraine". Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

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                                                                    • Si
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                                                                      • Feb 2008
                                                                      • 13900
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by O MARINA
                                                                      Never heard anyone refer to it with "the".
                                                                      Just pronounce it "Ykraeena".
                                                                      Originally posted by O MARINA
                                                                      Yeah, exactly
                                                                      You're a Ukrainian girl? I had a good Ukrainian friend before, he told me all your dirty words . I couldn't type a single one properly, but my pronunciation would make you wet.

                                                                      The only country I know that has the word "The" in the true name, is L'Espana, AKA The Spain.

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                                                                        • DiamonMike
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                                                                          • Oct 2013
                                                                          • 98
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Ukraina is already articulated.No need for 'the'
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                                                                            • just a punk
                                                                              So fuckin' bored
                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                              • 32393
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Course Ukraine as a country name must be used without "the". The etymology of this name is rooting from the old Russian language which means outskirts of the country ("Okraina" -> "Ukraina"). Since it was a western part of Russian Empire.
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                                                                                • Mutt
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                  • 34431
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  The use of the article relates to the time before independence in 1991, when Ukraine was a republic of the Soviet Union known as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, she says. Since then, it should be merely Ukraine.

                                                                                  There is no definite article in the Ukrainian or Russian languages and there is another theory why it crept into the English language.

                                                                                  Those who called it "the Ukraine" in English must have known that the word meant "borderland", says Anatoly Liberman, a professor at the University of Minnesota with a specialism in etymology. So they referred to it as "the borderland".

                                                                                  "After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukrainians probably decided that the article denigrated their country [by identifying it as a part of Russia] and abolished 'the' while speaking English, so now it is simply Ukraine.

                                                                                  "That's why the Ukraine suddenly lost its article in the last 20 years, it's a sort of linguistic independence in Europe, it's hugely symbolic."

                                                                                  The Germans still use it but the English-speaking world has largely stopped using it.
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                                                                                    • Mutt
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                      • 34431
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      This I believe is why in the West it was referred to as THE UKRAINE

                                                                                      "When the Soviet Union annexed Ukraine into the USSR, they found that Ukrainians were exceptionally patriotic and indpendent. To quell potential revolution, Russia deported the wealthy and middle class Ukrainians to Siberia, relocated Russians to Ukrain, and began referring to Ukraine as a region of Russia, even though it was still a separate country. The sole purpose of this move was to try to take away Ukraine's individual identity from the rest of the world.

                                                                                      Hence, we (English speakers) always heard the Russians refer to Ukraine as a region, and we simply accepted this in our ignorance of Ukraine and Russia's history."


                                                                                      Makes sense - the Russians wanted it to be referred to as a region of Russia the same way Americans call the middle states, 'THE MIDWEST', and Canadians call the Atlantic provinces 'THE MARITIMES'.
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                                                                                        • just a punk
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                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                          • 32393
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                          "After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukrainians probably decided that the article denigrated their country [by identifying it as a part of Russia] and abolished 'the' while speaking English, so now it is simply Ukraine.
                                                                                          This is what I just told above.

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                                                                                            • just a punk
                                                                                              So fuckin' bored
                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                              • 32393
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                              Makes sense - the Russians wanted it to be referred to as a region of Russia the same way Americans call the middle states, 'THE MIDWEST', and Canadians call the Atlantic provinces 'THE MARITIMES'.
                                                                                              Ukraine was a part of Russian Empire for 100's of years, so it wasn't annexed by Soviet Union. It just became a part of Soviet Union as any other regions of Czarist Russia
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                                                                                                • thumbuilderic
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                                                                                                  • Aug 2012
                                                                                                  • 365
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Wow. I learned something today. Thanks for posting the reference to Anatoly. I'll have to amend my methods. (I think I might have been referring to it with the article.)

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                                                                                                    • Manfap
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                                                                                                      • Jan 2013
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Si

                                                                                                      The only country I know that has the word "The" in the true name, is L'Espana, AKA The Spain.
                                                                                                      Really.. 40 million+ people who live here get it wrong then.

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                                                                                                        • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                          It's 42
                                                                                                          • Jun 2010
                                                                                                          • 18083
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by CyberSEO
                                                                                                          Ukraine was a part of Russian Empire for 100's of years, so it wasn't annexed by Soviet Union. It just became a part of Soviet Union as any other regions of Czarist Russia
                                                                                                          That is correct. My maternal grandparents we from the Czarist Russia Ukraine. My grandfather was drafted for life into the Czar's Army, he was a blacksmith -- he deserted the Czar's army conscription for life and came to America with his wife. That was about 1895 and long before the Bolshevik revolution.

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                                                                                                            • livexxx
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              When in doubt about countries I normally get a map out.
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                                                                                                                • Mutt
                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                  • 34431
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by CyberSEO
                                                                                                                  Ukraine was a part of Russian Empire for 100's of years, so it wasn't annexed by Soviet Union. It just became a part of Soviet Union as any other regions of Czarist Russia
                                                                                                                  Not by choice.

                                                                                                                  "A chaotic period of incessant warfare ensued, with internationally recognized establishment of independent Ukrainian People's Republic. Independent Ukraine emerged from its own civil war. Then Soviet aggression and the Ukrainian?Soviet War followed, which resulted in Soviet victory. Ukrainian People's Republic was occupied and a puppet state called Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was created. On December 30, 1922 it became one of the founding republics of the Soviet Union. The Soviet government was hostile to Ukrainian language and Ukrainian culture; there were mass repressions of Ukrainian poets, historians and linguists. Then there was a genocide of Ukrainians: millions of people starved to death in 1932 and 1933 in the Holodomor. After the 1939 invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and Soviet Union, the Ukrainian SSR's territory was enlarged westward. During World War II the Ukrainian Insurgent Army tried to reestablish Ukrainian independence and fought against both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. But in 1941 Ukraine was occupied by Nazi Germany, being liberated in 1944. In 1945, the Ukrainian SSR became one of the founding members of the United Nations.[12] In 1954 it expanded to the south with the transfer of the Crimean Peninsula."

                                                                                                                  Ukranians and Russians are descendants of the Rus people and there's a debate whether the Rus were Vikings from Scandinavia or Slavs.

                                                                                                                  This description points to them being blonde Norsemen.

                                                                                                                  Ahmad ibn Fadlan, an Arab traveler during the 10th century, provided one of the earliest written descriptions of the Rus': "They are as tall as a date palm, blond and ruddy, so that they do not need to wear a tunic nor a cloak; rather the men among them wear garments that only cover half of his body and leaves one of his hands free."[
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                                                                                                                    • pornmasta
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      «В Украине» или «на Украине» ?

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                                                                                                                        • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                          It's 42
                                                                                                                          • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                          • 18083
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Google for the win

                                                                                                                          Originally posted by pornmasta
                                                                                                                          «В Украине» или «на Украине» ?
                                                                                                                          https://translate.google.com/?client...en&sa=N&tab=wT

                                                                                                                          "Ukraine" or "Ukraine"?

                                                                                                                          Google for the win note the 'на' is omitted

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                                                                                                                            • Si
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                                                                                                                              • Feb 2008
                                                                                                                              • 13900
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                                                                              Really.. 40 million+ people who live here get it wrong then.


                                                                                                                              I forgot my [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags.

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                                                                                                                                • mineistaken
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                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                  • 29656
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Si


                                                                                                                                  I forgot my [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags.
                                                                                                                                  So why was it a sarcasm to sat that Spain's official name is The Spain?

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                                                                                                                                    • Supz
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                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                      • 11057
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      is it 'The United States of America' or USA

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                                                                                                                                        • klinton
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                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 8766
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Si
                                                                                                                                          The only country I know that has the word "The" in the true name, is L'Espana, AKA The Spain.
                                                                                                                                          first time I heard about it......

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                                                                                                                                            • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                              It's 42
                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                              • 18083
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Supz
                                                                                                                                              is it 'The United States of America' or USA
                                                                                                                                              The United States of America, or the (with or without the the) USA
                                                                                                                                              Capital T is in the county's formal title?
                                                                                                                                              I am from the USA
                                                                                                                                              not I from USA
                                                                                                                                              He is a USA citizen
                                                                                                                                              not he USA citizen
                                                                                                                                              I am visiting the United States
                                                                                                                                              not I am visiting United States

                                                                                                                                              Depends on the use of the words/acronym in a sentence ...

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                                                                                                                                                • Sid70
                                                                                                                                                  Downshifter
                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 16413
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  There is no 'the' in the country name.
                                                                                                                                                  I hear 'the Ukraine' mostly from English speakers.
                                                                                                                                                  Guess they just think if they live in The UK then it must
                                                                                                                                                  be The Uk(raine)...

                                                                                                                                                  When asked why don't you say The Russia or the France they cant explain it.
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                                                                                                                                                    • Sid70
                                                                                                                                                      Downshifter
                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 16413
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                      The United States of America, or the (with or without the the) USA
                                                                                                                                                      Capital T is in the county's formal title?
                                                                                                                                                      I am from the USA
                                                                                                                                                      not I from USA
                                                                                                                                                      He is a USA citizen
                                                                                                                                                      not he USA citizen
                                                                                                                                                      I am visiting the United States
                                                                                                                                                      not I am visiting United States

                                                                                                                                                      Depends on the use of the words/acronym in a sentence ...
                                                                                                                                                      If you leave 'America' only for the country name would you refer to it as The America?
                                                                                                                                                      Probably not, same about Ukraine.

                                                                                                                                                      I would accept 'in the country of Ukraine' but in Ukraine.
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                                                                                                                                                        • Sid70
                                                                                                                                                          Downshifter
                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 16413
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by pornmasta
                                                                                                                                                          «В Украине» или «на Украине» ?
                                                                                                                                                          В Украине.

                                                                                                                                                          На Украине - это по-старому.
                                                                                                                                                          Русня, идите нахуй!

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                                                                                                                                                            • Sid70
                                                                                                                                                              Downshifter
                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 16413
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                              Not by choice.

                                                                                                                                                              "A chaotic period of incessant warfare ensued, with internationally recognized establishment of independent Ukrainian People's Republic. Independent Ukraine emerged from its own civil war. Then Soviet aggression and the Ukrainian?Soviet War followed, which resulted in Soviet victory. Ukrainian People's Republic was occupied and a puppet state called Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was created. On December 30, 1922 it became one of the founding republics of the Soviet Union. The Soviet government was hostile to Ukrainian language and Ukrainian culture; there were mass repressions of Ukrainian poets, historians and linguists. Then there was a genocide of Ukrainians: millions of people starved to death in 1932 and 1933 in the Holodomor. After the 1939 invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and Soviet Union, the Ukrainian SSR's territory was enlarged westward. During World War II the Ukrainian Insurgent Army tried to reestablish Ukrainian independence and fought against both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. But in 1941 Ukraine was occupied by Nazi Germany, being liberated in 1944. In 1945, the Ukrainian SSR became one of the founding members of the United Nations.[12] In 1954 it expanded to the south with the transfer of the Crimean Peninsula."
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                                                                                                                                                                • Sid70
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 16413
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by cyberseo
                                                                                                                                                                  this is what i just told above.

                                                                                                                                                                  Там, где справа обведено ОКРАИНА - самая ебанутая Украина, точнее УРКАина.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Sid70
                                                                                                                                                                      Downshifter
                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 16413
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CyberSEO
                                                                                                                                                                      Course Ukraine as a country name must be used without "the". The etymology of this name is rooting from the old Russian language which means outskirts of the country ("Okraina" -> "Ukraina"). Since it was a western part of Russian Empire.
                                                                                                                                                                      Since it was a western part of THE Russian Empire.
                                                                                                                                                                      Русня, идите нахуй!

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Si
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2008
                                                                                                                                                                          • 13900
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                                                                                          So why was it a sarcasm to sat that Spain's official name is The Spain?
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                                                                                                          first time I heard about it......


                                                                                                                                                                          Have you ever spoken to Spanish people who use the term? I used to work with a guy from Madrid who would say it all the time, "In The Spain,.....".

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                                                                                                                                                                            • lucas131
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              the united states of czech republic ... madalton was right!

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Grapesoda
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 46238
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Mutt

                                                                                                                                                                                  There is no definite article in the Ukrainian or Russian languages
                                                                                                                                                                                  Natasha, get moose and squirrel

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Grapesoda
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 46238
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Sid70
                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah. We suffered a lot.
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                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • just a punk
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 32393
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Sid70
                                                                                                                                                                                          There is no 'the' in the country name.
                                                                                                                                                                                          I hear 'the Ukraine' mostly from English speakers.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Guess they just think if they live in The UK then it must
                                                                                                                                                                                          be The Uk(raine)...

                                                                                                                                                                                          When asked why don't you say The Russia or the France they cant explain it.
                                                                                                                                                                                          It's very simple. The articles are not implemented to names. E.g.: John (not the John), Adidas (not the Adidas), America (not the America) etc. Ukraine is the country name too, while the United States of America and the United Kingdom are not
                                                                                                                                                                                          Obey the Cowgod

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • just a punk
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 32393
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by sid70
                                                                                                                                                                                              В Украине.

                                                                                                                                                                                              На Украине - это по-старому.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Неправда. В Русском языке: НА УКРАИНЕ (см. любой толковый словарь русского языка, хоть царских времен, хоть современный). И только так. В других языках может быть как-то иначе.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 32393
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sid70
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Since it was a western part of THE Russian Empire.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, that's correct.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Obey the Cowgod

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • GregE
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not by choice.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      "A chaotic period of incessant warfare ensued, with internationally recognized establishment of independent Ukrainian People's Republic. Independent Ukraine emerged from its own civil war. Then Soviet aggression and the Ukrainian?Soviet War followed, which resulted in Soviet victory.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Ukrainian People's Republic even had a small airforce during it's brief existence.


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