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  • brassmonkey
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    • Sep 2005
    • 77385
    #51
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      • baddog
        So Fucking Banned
        • Apr 2001
        • 107089
        #52
        Originally posted by Robbie
        I used to redirect to the mobile site.

        But since the advent of tablets becoming so popular...the Android users were pissed off.

        Their tablets are HUGE and flash works just fine on them. They wanted the full "normal" site and not the stripped down mobile site.
        As a once in a while Xoom user, yep. I did not really like looking at my own site's mobile version.

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          • fuzebox
            making it rain
            • Oct 2003
            • 22353
            #53
            This thread is interesting

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              • Paully
                www.Max-Hardcore.com
                • Nov 2005
                • 1556
                #54
                Also, I think now that the Galaxy note and similar fecking phablets along with higher resolution and just an overall better image are going to make their way, even the best responsive designs are gonna die out before not too long.

                Html5 and css3 was a pretty big jump and for good reason but people and tech don't always move that fast. Still the most viewable media is a flash player with mp4 video. Mac guys have lots of workarounds and are usually pretty tech savvy.

                Hate to think I'm leaving money on the table but for the head aches, not sure it's worth it. Maybe I just missed the boat.

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                  • Robbie
                    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 20960
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Axeman
                    Does CM bring in more of an older mature customer base? I would factor in that older surfers are slower adapters to the tablets and smart phones. I know for Karups OW, we do the most technical support for the older members who are not that proficient with computers. We are just starting in the last year to see a rise of these members starting to use the iPad, and emailing asking us how to make it work etc.
                    No, mostly younger guys...early 20's to mid 40's are the majority of her members. I talk to most of them online (we are like a mini-social network in the members area), and they post their own pics in their profiles in the members area for her to see too. And I can't think off the top of my head of any "older" members (60 years old and older).

                    Kinda surprising to me that your Karups Older Women site would be getting older guys though. My experience in selling mature porn on Grampland.Com has been that the younger guys with "mommy" fantasies are the ones who really like the old women (older than CM that is...she's 39)

                    Also, it always seemed like the dirty old men who bought the teen stuff.

                    Kind of like the reverse of what they are is what they want. lol

                    The only thing I could ever figure about that over the years was: Young guys can pick up young women all the time at clubs. And old men are usually married to old women.

                    So when they fantasize...it's about the women they DON'T usually get.
                    That's my theory anyway.
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                      • Femjoy Michael
                        Confirmed User
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 171
                        #56
                        Originally posted by Shap
                        I was just checking out a few big paysites and noticed they don't have mobile sites.

                        So my question is for those of you with no mobile site why don't you?
                        I really like what Michael P did with ZTOD.com. Have you seen it?

                        As a former webmaster of one of Sean's sites, I agree with him. I'm constantly amazed how many program owners still question whether mobile is important or not.

                        The president of Time Warner and the president of Sky UK are both pouring money into mobile. They have said, it's the single biggest return on investment for relatively little money (The Economist July 2013)

                        I've seen one program owner generate 33% more revenue from rebills after launching a mobile version.

                        Another Alexa 12k site I worked on grew by over 100% within 2 months of refining the mobile experience. All organic. The mobile traffic eclipsed desktop in less than a year.
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                          • The Porn Nerd
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                            • Jun 2009
                            • 19780
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Femjoy Michael
                            I really like what Michael P did with ZTOD.com. Have you seen it?

                            As a former webmaster of one of Sean's sites, I agree with him. I'm constantly amazed how many program owners still question whether mobile is important or not.

                            The president of Time Warner and the president of Sky UK are both pouring money into mobile. They have said, it's the single biggest return on investment for relatively little money (The Economist July 2013)

                            I've seen one program owner generate 33% more revenue from rebills after launching a mobile version.

                            Another Alexa 12k site I worked on grew by over 100% within 2 months of refining the mobile experience. All organic. The mobile traffic eclipsed desktop in less than a year.
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                              • Zuzana Designs
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                                • Feb 2005
                                • 20900
                                #58
                                Originally posted by Smut
                                Nobody is going to browse the internet on their phones! Don't be silly.
                                Pretty soon it will be browsing the internet with watches

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                                  • PR_Glen
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                                    • Oct 2006
                                    • 9058
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by Struggle4Bucks
                                    This whole mobile stuff.... A whole upcomming generation of people on tablets, phones, etc... all accustomed to watching STREAMING videos since youtube, etc...

                                    Will it kill the demand for downloadable files at some point?

                                    And is this incidentally going to kill the torrents? file-sharers?
                                    even if it did there would just be illegal streaming sites up instead. piracy problems don't go away, they just find new ways to deliver. You just have to find ways to earn in spite of that.
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                                      • epitome
                                        So Fucking Lame
                                        • Jun 2009
                                        • 12156
                                        #60
                                        Adaptive designs are where its at. Not dedicated mobile sites.

                                        And for the love of God, please let mobile users select the desktop version of your site if that is what they want. Nothing more frustrating to me than being forced to use the mobile version on a tablet.

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                                          • Shap
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2001
                                            • 8313
                                            #61
                                            Agreed. I should have clarified. i didn't mean MOBILE sites as much as I meant adaptive/responsive site. IE if you visit it on a computer, ipad or iphone it looks great

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                                              • The Porn Nerd
                                                Living The Dream
                                                • Jun 2009
                                                • 19780
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Shap
                                                Agreed. I should have clarified. i didn't mean MOBILE sites as much as I meant adaptive/responsive site. IE if you visit it on a computer, ipad or iphone it looks great
                                                The problem, as I see it, is as soon as you go responsive what happens when new devices, OS, tablet hybrids, etc emerge? The race to force new tech down our throats every six months is beginning to reach overwhelm and I see a backlash coming.

                                                This reminds me of when I used to design 8 different websites for 8 different browsers. LOL Fun times.
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                                                  • Shap
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                                                    • May 2001
                                                    • 8313
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                    The problem, as I see it, is as soon as you go responsive what happens when new devices, OS, tablet hybrids, etc emerge? The race to force new tech down our throats every six months is beginning to reach overwhelm and I see a backlash coming.

                                                    This reminds me of when I used to design 8 different websites for 8 different browsers. LOL Fun times.
                                                    you adapt as best you can

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                                                      • webgurl
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 7954
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Zuzana Designs
                                                        Pretty soon it will be browsing the internet with watches
                                                        Watches are pretty much becoming obsolete, so no this most likely won't happen.

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                                                          • potter
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Dec 2004
                                                            • 6559
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                            The problem, as I see it, is as soon as you go responsive what happens when new devices, OS, tablet hybrids, etc emerge? The race to force new tech down our throats every six months is beginning to reach overwhelm and I see a backlash coming.

                                                            This reminds me of when I used to design 8 different websites for 8 different browsers. LOL Fun times.
                                                            Obviously you don't understand what responsive/adaptive actually means. You should go to a conference, or read a book.

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                                                              • Shap
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • May 2001
                                                                • 8313
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by webgurl
                                                                Watches are pretty much becoming obsolete, so no this most likely won't happen.
                                                                I think her point was how smart watches are going to be the next way.

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                                                                  • Roald
                                                                    SecretFriends.com
                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 27910
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                    The problem, as I see it, is as soon as you go responsive what happens when new devices, OS, tablet hybrids, etc emerge? The race to force new tech down our throats every six months is beginning to reach overwhelm and I see a backlash coming.

                                                                    This reminds me of when I used to design 8 different websites for 8 different browsers. LOL Fun times.
                                                                    Thats the beauty of responsive designs less worrying about these things.

                                                                    Read into it.


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                                                                      • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                        • Jun 2009
                                                                        • 19780
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by potter
                                                                        Obviously you don't understand what responsive/adaptive actually means. You should go to a conference, or read a book.
                                                                        Thanks for the feedback, I'll try that new fangled thing called 'reading' sometime.
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                                                                          • Axeman
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                                                                            • Feb 2004
                                                                            • 5201
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                            Kinda surprising to me that your Karups Older Women site would be getting older guys though. My experience in selling mature porn on Grampland.Com has been that the younger guys with "mommy" fantasies are the ones who really like the old women (older than CM that is...she's 39)

                                                                            Also, it always seemed like the dirty old men who bought the teen stuff.
                                                                            Oh for sure Karups OW has a lot of younger members with the fantasy of cougars/teachers etc. But compared to Karups Hometown Amateurs or Karups Private Collection, the site has a big base of older members, which seems to result in less mobile users than the other two sites.
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                                                                              • kristin
                                                                                GOO!
                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                • 9768
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by clickhappy
                                                                                Its extremely expensive to have it done and complicated. I got 3 quotes and all of them were 5 figures.
                                                                                And its extremely difficult to learn to program mobile. I dont want to have to learn Objective C or Java.
                                                                                I took a class on PhoneGap and it was hard as fuck. and Titanium is even worse.

                                                                                I could go to elance/oDesk etc and have Indians do a shitty job, but no thanks. And if I did outsource and I needed to update or change something It would be very hard to do so.
                                                                                Hit me up, we can do it for way cheaper than that. We can make all the sites responsive so regardless of device it's optimized and always stays on one URL. No m.sitename.com or anything.

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                                                                                  • kristin
                                                                                    GOO!
                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 9768
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by potter
                                                                                    Obviously you don't understand what responsive/adaptive actually means. You should go to a conference, or read a book.
                                                                                    All of our new sites are now responsive, it really is the best way to go.
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                                                                                    "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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                                                                                      • Achmed's Wife Halimah
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                                                                                        • Mar 2008
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                                                                                        #72
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                                                                                          • epitome
                                                                                            So Fucking Lame
                                                                                            • Jun 2009
                                                                                            • 12156
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                            Agreed. I should have clarified. i didn't mean MOBILE sites as much as I meant adaptive/responsive site. IE if you visit it on a computer, ipad or iphone it looks great
                                                                                            I knew you got it, you were always ahead of the curve on those types of things.

                                                                                            Even still, in 2013 I see people asking about developing standalone mobile sites. If you already have them there is nothing wrong with keeping them, but if you're going mobile in the future it should be responsive. Apparently a lot of people (in mainstream, too... perhaps more so there) don't even know that is an option.

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                                                                                              • BareBacked
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                                                                                                #74
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                                                                                                  • BareBacked
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                                                                                                    • Feb 2007
                                                                                                    • 3685
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    adaptive/responsive sites

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                                                                                                      • mineistaken
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                                                                                                        • Apr 2007
                                                                                                        • 29656
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Because surfers can open non mobile versions of the site with their mobile devices?

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                                                                                                          • kristin
                                                                                                            GOO!
                                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                                            • 9768
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                            Because surfers can open non mobile versions of the site with their mobile devices?
                                                                                                            Doesn't mean it works or is remotely optimized for a phone user.

                                                                                                            Have Flash on your website? Welp that doesn't translate to mobile.
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                                                                                                              • mineistaken
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                                                                                                                • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                • 29656
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by kristin
                                                                                                                Doesn't mean it works or is remotely optimized for a phone user.

                                                                                                                Have Flash on your website? Welp that doesn't translate to mobile.
                                                                                                                I thought only crapple mobile devices did not support flash (they are notorious for making life of their users as hard as possible).

                                                                                                                Anyway in many cases not optimized regular version of the site is still better or on par than not full mobile version.

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                                                                                                                  • epitome
                                                                                                                    So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                    • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                    • 12156
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                                    I thought only crapple mobile devices did not support flash (they are notorious for making life of their users as hard as possible).

                                                                                                                    Anyway in many cases not optimized regular version of the site is still better or on par than not full mobile version.
                                                                                                                    It's not just them. Flash doesn't have a high mobile adoption rate in general. Apple was smart to leave it out as it forced lazy webmasters to adapt better streaming solutions. Best solution to reach the most users is to have a responsive site, HTML5 player and MP4 as the default stream.

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                                                                                                                      • kristin
                                                                                                                        GOO!
                                                                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                        • 9768
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                                        I thought only crapple mobile devices did not support flash (they are notorious for making life of their users as hard as possible).

                                                                                                                        Anyway in many cases not optimized regular version of the site is still better or on par than not full mobile version.
                                                                                                                        Anything after Jelly Bean on Android OS no longer supports Flash. HTML5 all the way.
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                                                                                                                          • bean-aid
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                                                                                                                            • Jun 2011
                                                                                                                            • 16493
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by kristin
                                                                                                                            Anything after Jelly Bean on Android OS no longer supports Flash. HTML5 all the way.
                                                                                                                            I was told differently... I never thought flash was popular at all on any phones.

                                                                                                                            http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1122455

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                                                                                                                              • kristin
                                                                                                                                GOO!
                                                                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                • 9768
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by beaner
                                                                                                                                I was told differently... I never thought flash was popular at all on any phones.

                                                                                                                                http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1122455

                                                                                                                                scroll down
                                                                                                                                Games are a bit different and not our specialty... that would be Bonetown. But for regular paysites - HTML5.
                                                                                                                                Last edited by kristin; 10-10-2013, 02:38 PM.
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                                                                                                                                  • Adam_M
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                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                    • 3800
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                                                    I think her point was how smart watches are going to be the next way.
                                                                                                                                    I think the smart watch will remain a gimmick and ever take off but that is just my
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                                                                                                                                      • bean-aid
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                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2011
                                                                                                                                        • 16493
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by kristin
                                                                                                                                        For games, sure, JS. For regular paysite - HTML5.
                                                                                                                                        Yeah... but some of the comments eluded that flash was just fine. Made me think... for 1 second... and realized you don't want flash at all... JS is not flash.

                                                                                                                                        I'm just saying... the thread kinda was eluding that flash was ok... and I don't think it is at all.

                                                                                                                                        btw... I have a proven 3 year record of doing very well selling adult games and need a developer. I've asked so many people and just can't find anyone to develop my latest ideas. Maybe you may be interested as I see your site in sig

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                                                                                                                                          • bean-aid
                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2011
                                                                                                                                            • 16493
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by kristin
                                                                                                                                            Games are a bit different and not our specialty... that would be Bonetown. But for regular paysites - HTML5.
                                                                                                                                            It's like you already knew what I was thinking... lol ^^

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                                                                                                                                              • thumbuilderic
                                                                                                                                                Just some porn guy
                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2012
                                                                                                                                                • 365
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                We're implementing a mobile site now. I can't find a good reason not to!

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                                                                                                                                                  • kristin
                                                                                                                                                    GOO!
                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 9768
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by beaner
                                                                                                                                                    It's like you already knew what I was thinking... lol ^^
                                                                                                                                                    Let me see what I can find for you. Can you shoot me over some brief details?
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                                                                                                                                                      • bean-aid
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                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2011
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by kristin
                                                                                                                                                        Let me see what I can find for you. Can you shoot me over some brief details?
                                                                                                                                                        kristin @ tbmediaservices.com
                                                                                                                                                        email sent... left you a PM as well. For every 100 ideas I have typically a couple of them pan out. I (cross fingers and hope to die) hope someone like yourself can make it happen. It will happen either way, it would be great sooner... rather then later.
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                                                                                                                                                          • clickhappy
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                                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2004
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                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Adam_M
                                                                                                                                                            I think the smart watch will remain a gimmick and ever take off but that is just my
                                                                                                                                                            eventually they will become holograms so youll have a bigger screen.
                                                                                                                                                            I saw a presentation a few weeks ago on holograms and the presenter could push buttons in the air and have a reaction to it. It was super freaking cool.

                                                                                                                                                            that'll be the iphone 9 lol

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                                                                                                                                                              • BareBacked
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Shap
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                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Adam_M
                                                                                                                                                                    I think the smart watch will remain a gimmick and ever take off but that is just my
                                                                                                                                                                    I agree 100% it will take off with a certain crowd but for apple's high end user base watches are a fashion accessory.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Shap
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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by clickhappy
                                                                                                                                                                        eventually they will become holograms so youll have a bigger screen.
                                                                                                                                                                        I saw a presentation a few weeks ago on holograms and the presenter could push buttons in the air and have a reaction to it. It was super freaking cool.

                                                                                                                                                                        that'll be the iphone 9 lol
                                                                                                                                                                        I'm surprised holograms haven't been mentioned more and haven't started to surface. When holograms happen porn companies that hop on that are going to do well.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            In the future all devices will come with 'responsive translaters' so the device will automatically resize and reformat the pages.

                                                                                                                                                                            Holograms and 3D sense-memory porn are the future.
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Lichen
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                                                                                                                                                                                • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                • 1640
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                                                                                                So my question is for those of you with no mobile site why don't you?
                                                                                                                                                                                There is no need for a mobile site. Current mobile devices can view regular sites just fine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Shap
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Lichen
                                                                                                                                                                                    There is no need for a mobile site. Current mobile devices can view regular sites just fine.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Absolutely not. Go to MetArt on an iphone then go to FtvGirls tell me which is viewed just fine and which is a pain in the ass.

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