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  • marketsmart
    HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
    • Dec 2004
    • 20419

    #51
    Originally posted by TJSDAD
    Again. I don't condone what she/he said as a matter of fact I didn't hear it.

    Makes no difference.

    And who asked what you care for?

    Do you understand the consequences of censorship?

    Do you understand the first ammendment rights in America?

    Offering an exit interview and explaining the difference between fantasy and reality to quell rumors of a rape makes me a scumbag?

    Don't for a fucking second try and equate a Max Hardcore Fantasy Rape scene to what goes on in real life when a women or child is victimized.
    All I am saying is that there is a difference between fantasy rape and the inclusion of things like "i was raped by my father at age 3" and/or "I will fuck your 10 y/o sister".

    Although I may not like or agree with fantasy rape niche, I do support freedom of speech and all that goes along with that.

    However, I don't agree with catering to persons that are either sexual predators or those people that fantasize about incest or sex with a minor.

    Whether right or wrong, in my beliefs, I feel strongly that if you portray an act like incest or underage sex and treat that act as a normal occurance, eventually it will lead to a person acting on their desires.

    Futhermore, if "one" person ends up engaging in said portrayed acts as a result of something a person has viewed whether online or offline, I feel that the producer of such content is responsible and should be held accountable.

    Hiding behind free speech in my opinion is a deflection of responsibility.

    There are a lot of mentally challenged people in our society and I think that ignoring the fact that some people are unable to grasp the idea of fantasy versus reality ultimately places the burden on the content producer.

    Finally, I find it amusing that people in this thread are bashing other people for simply stating their opinions (freedom of speech) just because they differ from that of their own.

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    • nico-t
      emperor of my world
      • Aug 2004
      • 29901

      #52
      did i miss something? where is that video?

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      • tony299
        lurker
        • Aug 2002
        • 57021

        #53
        I watched the exit interview in alot of ways it means nothing. The girl wants to get paid and she knows this is the road to the money and out the door. So what is she going to say no I dont want this out,no I felt trapped? Also if a exit interview went that way would it be shown? The girl did look like she wasnt to thrilled with Max no matter how extra sweet he was trying to be for the exit interview.
        As far as protecting my free speech, I doubt that.
        It's very weird how this is the only industry we arent supposed to judge whatever our peers do.

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        • fuzebox
          making it rain
          • Oct 2003
          • 22363

          #54
          Originally posted by tony404
          I watched the exit interview in alot of ways it means nothing. The girl wants to get paid and she knows this is the road to the money and out the door. So what is she going to say no I dont want this out,no I felt trapped?
          You are your conspiracy theories... Yes, if she felt that way she should say it. Some money shouldn't change how someone reacts if they feel victimized, but if it does, that is her problem.

          Is there any outcome to a willing participant in a rougher hardcore fantasy who wants to be there that you will support? It seems you're discounting everything that actually did happen because of how it was edited in the production video, which is pretty naive.

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          • fuzebox
            making it rain
            • Oct 2003
            • 22363

            #55
            Originally posted by ismokeblunts
            I'm still amazed at how many people are still making this an issue over the fantasy rape, and keep ignoring that fact that a central theme involved in the dialog was raping extremely underage girls and was blatantly targeted towards fans pedophilic rape.
            I'm going to disagree, it didn't seem like it was blatantly targeted towards fans of pedophilic rape. In most these shoots the girls go on about what happened to them when they were young, and an adult woman telling a story is supposed to target any pedo, nor would a pedo be interested.

            As for the threats of the little sister, those were for the purpose of furthur degrading the model, and they were just that, acted threats in a fantasy dialogue. Calling this in any way a pedo rape fantasy is really taking a couple of sentences way out of context.

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            • CyberAgeGary
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              • Jul 2004
              • 2869

              #56
              The best part of that exit video is that she actually checks each $100 bill to make sure they are real. lol
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              • moneybiz
                So Fucking Banned
                • Sep 2004
                • 1391

                #57
                so she was paid 2.5k for the shoot? 2 differnt vids? I bet the extra 500$ was for the exit video.

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                • ppcwiz
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 539

                  #58
                  controversial subject.....

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                  • tony299
                    lurker
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 57021

                    #59
                    Originally posted by fuzebox
                    You are your conspiracy theories... Yes, if she felt that way she should say it. Some money shouldn't change how someone reacts if they feel victimized, but if it does, that is her problem.

                    Is there any outcome to a willing participant in a rougher hardcore fantasy who wants to be there that you will support? It seems you're discounting everything that actually did happen because of how it was edited in the production video, which is pretty naive.
                    What conspiracy? Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable. I gave my opinion from what I saw on the video. Nothing more nothing less.

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                    • C_U_Next_Tuesday
                      WW4L
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 10581

                      #60
                      Max Hardcore fights for Max Hardcore.. sure as fuck does not fight for me. People who try to shove their values down my throat makes me want to silence them with sharp objects... This is as bad as the christians that knock on your door to shove Jesus in your face.

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                      • Paully
                        www.Max-Hardcore.com
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 1556

                        #61
                        she was paid 1250 per scene. we do not pay for exit interviews. so you think max raped her twice on video? then decided hey i could make a few bucks off this. fucktards

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                        • tony299
                          lurker
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 57021

                          #62
                          Originally posted by TJSDAD
                          she was paid 1250 per scene. we do not pay for exit interviews. so you think max raped her twice on video? then decided hey i could make a few bucks off this. fucktards
                          Who said she got paid to do a exit interview? Also why call people names if your right is there a need to be so aggressive?
                          Last edited by tony286; 03-14-2008, 09:37 AM.

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                          • Paully
                            www.Max-Hardcore.com
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 1556

                            #63
                            btw, if what max and the whore said during the scene does it for some pedo. then good. i'd rather they be home jacking off to that video then going out and destroying some child. maybe we should start a fund. we'll send our videos out to chris hanson from dateline and he can hand them out to all the pedos and rapists.

                            fantasy is fantasy

                            sick fucks are sick fucks

                            drawing a line when it comes to how consenting adults fuck
                            and how they wish to express themselves is a problem

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                            • Paully
                              www.Max-Hardcore.com
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 1556

                              #64
                              Originally posted by moneybiz
                              so she was paid 2.5k for the shoot? 2 differnt vids? I bet the extra 500$ was for the exit video.
                              this guy, and a few others.

                              look. we are having an adult conversation an adult board.

                              sorry if i hurt your feelings.

                              just having a little fun while trying to make a point

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                              • Ayla_SquareTurtle
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                                • Sep 2005
                                • 3550

                                #65
                                Like a couple of other posters, I also do not understand the shrieking of "freedom of speech!" coming from the same people who want everyone who didn't like that video to shut up...and not speak. As I said in the original thread, it should be legal to shoot that stuff with legal age, willing models. That doesn't mean that we have to like it and that certainly doesn't mean that this guy or any other violent movie producer is "fighting the good fight" or whatever BS line you guys believe. I mean, really, it's laughable.
                                gone. long gone.

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                                • lazycash
                                  Troll Patrol
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 15214

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by moneybiz
                                  so she was paid 2.5k for the shoot? 2 differnt vids? I bet the extra 500$ was for the exit video.
                                  Why is it so hard for you to watch and comprehend? She was paid $1000 upfront and $1500 upon completion of the two scenes, there was no extra $500 and no money for the exit vid. Stick to your craigslist marketing and your 200 hits a day and stop poppin off with nonsense.
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                                  • Paully
                                    www.Max-Hardcore.com
                                    • Nov 2005
                                    • 1556

                                    #67
                                    i'm not trying to shut anybody up. i appreciate all opinions. and again i don't mean to rip into anybody to hard. just having a little fun

                                    but the thread that started this dialogue was titled "Legal porn or real rape"

                                    and while i personally don't appreciate this kind of smut. i think the demonizing of it, out of pure speculation is wrong. thats all

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                                    • lazycash
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                                      • Aug 2002
                                      • 15214

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by AlienQ
                                      "If it weren't for people who push the limits like I do - like Hal Freeman has in the past - none of you would be working in this business today - Because there would be no fucking business. I put my ass on the line every day, and everyone in this industry enjoys the benefits."

                                      -Max Hardcore 2007




                                      LOL!
                                      Delusions of grandjour is treatable.
                                      Agreed, I don't understand his logic that because he pushes the limit that somehow he opened the door for everyone else and there would be no business without him. Lol at him putting his ass on the line, nobody forces him to produce his niche.
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                                      • fuzebox
                                        making it rain
                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 22363

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by lazycash
                                        Agreed, I don't understand his logic that because he pushes the limit that somehow he opened the door for everyone else and there would be no business without him. Lol at him putting his ass on the line, nobody forces him to produce his niche.
                                        With every case he beats though precedents are set that people with much more vanilla content can use... Sorta like in the People vs. Larry Flynt where Woody Harrelson says "If the 1st amendmant can protect a scumbag like me it can protect all of you, because I'm the worst". (as far as I know he didn't say that in real life though heh)

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                                        • Snake Doctor
                                          I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                          • Mar 2001
                                          • 13449

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by fuzebox
                                          With every case he beats though precedents are set that people with much more vanilla content can use... Sorta like in the People vs. Larry Flynt where Woody Harrelson says "If the 1st amendmant can protect a scumbag like me it can protect all of you, because I'm the worst". (as far as I know he didn't say that in real life though heh)
                                          This is exactly the point.....the fact that extreme associates and max hardcore can produce whatever they want and not go to jail means that the rest of us can produce what we want and not be afraid of the gestapo.

                                          In the same vein, allowing the national enquirer to print whatever they want is the only way we can be sure that the New York Times is printing whatever it wants.

                                          Just because one is content that alot of people want to consume and is considered mainstream and the other is something that's ridiculous that only people with serious "issues" want to consume doesn't matter.

                                          It's easy to have free speech when you're only talking about speech you (or most people) agree with. The true test of free speech is allowing something that makes your stomach turn and your blood boil to be published without hindrance or penalty, only then is speech truly free.
                                          sig too big

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                                          • VicD
                                            ICQ: 304-611-162
                                            • Feb 2005
                                            • 13245

                                            #71
                                            I watched it without sound but it looks like a cover up

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                                            • Paully
                                              www.Max-Hardcore.com
                                              • Nov 2005
                                              • 1556

                                              #72
                                              VicD pull those dicks out of your ears then. come on now. i'm not even getting paid for this. at least listen and watch the fucking video before you post.

                                              be informed, ok

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                                              • nico-t
                                                emperor of my world
                                                • Aug 2004
                                                • 29901

                                                #73
                                                rape that whore!

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                                                • bsw11
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Mar 2008
                                                  • 1

                                                  #74
                                                  You have no clue

                                                  Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
                                                  Max Hardcore fights for Max Hardcore.. sure as fuck does not fight for me. People who try to shove their values down my throat makes me want to silence them with sharp objects... This is as bad as the christians that knock on your door to shove Jesus in your face.
                                                  My guess is your under 40. So you did not experience our wonderful gov at work in the early years. The people in the justice dept under the Bush idiocy would like nothing more than to shut down the porn biz - 2257 anyone?

                                                  By pushing the envelope, Max is making it that much more difficult for the rest of the porn biz to be attacked by our wonderful gov. Its really that simple and its true.

                                                  For other people in the porn biz to make negative comments on his predicament is just plain wrong and stupid.

                                                  As far as extreme content is concerned, I would rather watch his movies any day rather than ANY mainstream slash, burn, mutilate and murder flick!
                                                  When the gov bans all of those films, they might have a position - but you know that's not going to happen!

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                                                  • Fletch XXX
                                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                    • 60840

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                    "If it weren't for people who push the limits like I do - like Hal Freeman has in the past - none of you would be working in this business today - Because there would be no fucking business. I put my ass on the line every day, and everyone in this industry enjoys the benefits."

                                                    -Max Hardcore 2007




                                                    LOL!
                                                    Delusions of grandjour is treatable.
                                                    exactly.

                                                    I have sat with models (MORE THAN 1) who regret filming with Max, talked to them personally for hours, they were hurt during the shoot and regret signing the papers they did before the shoot.. i wont even go into it here,... but after figuring out how people like him operate its pretty simple...

                                                    once you get them to sign,... it doesnt matter how
                                                    "hardcore" you go on them...

                                                    max hardcore does what he does, for himself - no one else.

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                                                    • BVF
                                                      Black Vagina Finder
                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                      • 13975

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                      At times Im amazed that people in an industry that is built off fantasy, want to put down what some people are into. Morality police that work in porn is to say the least a bit odd.
                                                      Yes....Especially when the person making those statements have been on this same board whining about Little Lupe.....

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                                                      • NikKay
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2001
                                                        • 1642

                                                        #77
                                                        I know a girl that went into a BDSM shoot expecting to be tied up and caned and ended up being hit in the face with a paddle among other things. She called it quits before the end of the "hour" they agreed to and then was told she wasn't getting paid because she didn't deliver as expected.

                                                        So how does Max operate? Do the girls get paid upfront and then have the right to call it quits and keep any of the cash? Or are they in the middle of something thinking, "Well I've been pissed on and my ass is bleeding profusely. I can't quit now and go through this for nothing."

                                                        For me, this is less about what the law should dictate and more about where we should be morally as an industry. I see a lot of disrespect and disregard for the models that make it all possible and I have to question where the line should be drawn.

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                                                        • Paully
                                                          www.Max-Hardcore.com
                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                          • 1556

                                                          #78
                                                          First of all EVERY model that comes to work for us is explained what exactly the scene will entail. As a matter of fact we have them initial each act on paper so they know line by line what is expected. We show them our video's. We show them our website. We go over the entire scenario with them before the camera's start rolling.

                                                          This is all done so that we don't waste anybodys time.

                                                          Model releases are signed during the EXIT interview. Just like the one we showed of Jessy from Max Faktor 11. Available at all your finer retail outlets.

                                                          Now their have been a few girls who decided after we started shooting that they didn't feel comfortable and have stopped the scene. Even then we pay them a kill fee.

                                                          So Fletch XXX your story is complete bullshit. As much as you may like to think we are over here brutalizing women. We aren't. We love the little fuck puppets that grace the yellow couch.

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                                                          • CyberAgeGary
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                                                            • Jul 2004
                                                            • 2869

                                                            #79
                                                            So what happened to the video? Why was it taken down?
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                                                            • Fletch XXX
                                                              GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                              • 60840

                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by TJSDAD

                                                              So Fletch XXX your story is complete bullshit. As much as you may like to think we are over here brutalizing women. We aren't. We love the little fuck puppets that grace the yellow couch.
                                                              This was before he had a web site and whatever current rules he follows. Nothing you can say can erase the fact I have talked to models who had stories to tell... I worked the SFV for years and spent a lot of days and nights in Chatsworth, I heard lots from models, and max came up.... nothing you say changes that fact.

                                                              I dont care what max does nor do I care to argue further over this, however, what was told to me from models, was told to me, so when you come here acting like max hardcore is saving the adult industry dont expect everyone to just swallow that line of bullshit...
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                                                              • Paully
                                                                www.Max-Hardcore.com
                                                                • Nov 2005
                                                                • 1556

                                                                #81
                                                                You know Fletch I had a model tell me she was a 10th degree blackbelt in seven different types of martial arts and that she was trained to be an assassin since she was 3 years old.

                                                                I think you posting some rumors you heard from some whores during your hours long converstions as fact on an industry message board is irresponsible.

                                                                I don't think you know what the fuck your talking about.

                                                                You can call Max alot of things but un-proffesional is not one of them.

                                                                We treat every soul-less little piss drinking cock socket with the upmost respect. And thats why they come back.

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                                                                • Big Red Machine
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                                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                                  • 9586

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by TJSDAD
                                                                  i dont condone the bring your little sister over bullshit. but it was meant to shock. and obviously it worked.
                                                                  Thats the only thing that should be in question

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                                                                  • Big Red Machine
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jan 2005
                                                                    • 9586

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                    exactly.

                                                                    I have sat with models (MORE THAN 1) who regret filming with Max, talked to them personally for hours, they were hurt during the shoot and regret signing the papers they did before the shoot.
                                                                    I bet after awhile most girls regret being in porn period. Thats why their "Careers" are usually short lived. Now you talk about an extreme scene and the girl probably blew the money either at the mall or up her nose, and she starts to hear about her scene. Its the Porn equivilant to MTV "Punked". I would only consider the girls version of things as 1/3 the story.
                                                                    Last edited by Big Red Machine; 03-18-2008, 06:19 PM.

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                                                                    • Fizzgig
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                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                      • 9649

                                                                      #84
                                                                      I never saw the video that started the controversy.
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