0:5000 / 0:10000 etc... RATIO when do you drop a SPONSOR??? - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

X

Pokey the Turtle

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 216
Share

Post
#1

0:5000 / 0:10000 etc... RATIO when do you drop a SPONSOR???

03-13-2008, 07:09 PM

Sure it takes time to fine tune your traffic to the relevant sponsor

But when exactly do you call it game and stop sending traffic?

I have seen drastic ratio changes over a few weeks, by a couple thousand even...what is your cut off taking in to account the time and ratio?

.

Fight Porn! NOW!

ICQ 405-839-610
Tags: None
Camco

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2008

Posts: 137
Share

Post
#2

03-13-2008, 07:11 PM

0:5000 is normally my drop of point
Comment
baddog

So Fucking Banned

Join Date: Apr 2001

Posts: 107089
Share

Post
#3

03-13-2008, 07:14 PM

depends on the traffic source . . . if blind link, what do you expect?
Comment
Tempest

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: May 2004

Posts: 10217
Share

Post
#4

03-13-2008, 07:15 PM

Statistically speaking, if everything else stays the same, a program that averages conversions of 1:500 could have a period of 1:11000
Comment
Martin

"Assassins"

Join Date: Dec 2001

Posts: 17274
Share

Post
#5

03-13-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Camco

0:5000 is normally my drop of point

Same. If I don't see a sale, I move on.
Comment
Pokey the Turtle

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 216
Share

Post
#6

03-13-2008, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Camco

0:5000 is normally my drop of point

is that within a certain time-frame?

taking in to account any fine tuning of traffic or just general?

Fight Porn! NOW!

ICQ 405-839-610
Comment
Martin

"Assassins"

Join Date: Dec 2001

Posts: 17274
Share

Post
#7

03-13-2008, 07:21 PM

If it doesn't average out over 3 months to 1-1000, Raw I don't bother with it. Most good sponsors average out to 1:800 Unq. I need to see atleast 1 sale for the first 5000 clicks I send if I'm going to consider moving forward with the program.
Comment
fuzebox

making it rain

Join Date: Oct 2003

Posts: 22381
Share

Post
#8

03-13-2008, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by baddog

depends on the traffic source . . . if blind link, what do you expect?

Exactly, every traffic source is different and everyone's method of promotion is different... Conversion ratios are meaningless when shared between two people.
Comment
Pokey the Turtle

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 216
Share

Post
#9

03-13-2008, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by baddog

depends on the traffic source . . . if blind link, what do you expect?

assuming that I have blogs with relevant keywords for which 90% of traffic comes from google... and every sponsor is selected for that niche,

when would you drop a sponsor?

Fight Porn! NOW!

ICQ 405-839-610
Comment
Pokey the Turtle

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 216
Share

Post
#10

03-13-2008, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Tempest

Statistically speaking, if everything else stays the same, a program that averages conversions of 1:500 could have a period of 1:11000

that would mean I'd wait at least 11000 before dropping?

Fight Porn! NOW!

ICQ 405-839-610
Comment
D Ghost

null

Join Date: May 2006

Posts: 9819
Share

Post
#11

03-13-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by baddog

depends on the traffic source . . . if blind link, what do you expect?

Very good point, there are many factors to take into consideration.
Comment
Pokey the Turtle

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 216
Share

Post
#12

03-13-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Martin

If it doesn't average out over 3 months to 1-1000, Raw I don't bother with it. Most good sponsors average out to 1:800 Unq. I need to see atleast 1 sale for the first 5000 clicks I send if I'm going to consider moving forward with the program.

thanks, that sounds like a good way to go

Fight Porn! NOW!

ICQ 405-839-610
Comment
Tempest

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: May 2004

Posts: 10217
Share

Post
#13

03-13-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Pokey the Turtle

that would mean I'd wait at least 11000 before dropping?

Yes... but note I said "if everything stays the same".. which is never the case as traffic "quality" can change hourly and daily... So I would say that it would depend on the period... If you're sending 11,000 a day, then I would say you could see that type of thing fairly often.. but if you sent that over a month, then I'd definatley drop it at that point. Keep in mind also that if the site is converting worse than 1:500, then you'd have to send a lot more to just get 1 sale for that bad time frame.
Comment
Pokey the Turtle

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 216
Share

Post
#14

03-13-2008, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Tempest

Yes... but note I said "if everything stays the same".. which is never the case as traffic "quality" can change hourly and daily... So I would say that it would depend on the period... If you're sending 11,000 a day, then I would say you could see that type of thing fairly often.. but if you sent that over a month, then I'd definatley drop it at that point. Keep in mind also that if the site is converting worse than 1:500, then you'd have to send a lot more to just get 1 sale for that bad time frame.

no way near to 11.000 to a sponsor per day

but per month per sponsor ...yes close to 8.000/10.000

again assuming I have mostly 2 sponsors per blog

sure the ratios differ largely from day to day but also depend upon the niche being promoted, right?

thanks a lot for your insight

Last edited by Pokey the Turtle; 03-13-2008, 07:57 PM.

Fight Porn! NOW!

ICQ 405-839-610
Comment
Pokey the Turtle

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 216
Share

Post
#15

03-13-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by fuzebox

Exactly, every traffic source is different and everyone's method of promotion is different... Conversion ratios are meaningless when shared between two people.

good point, so assuming blogs fed mostly by google traffic?

Fight Porn! NOW!

ICQ 405-839-610
Comment
Jdoughs

Confirmed User

Join Date: Mar 2004

Posts: 5794
Share

Post
#16

03-13-2008, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Pokey the Turtle

good point, so assuming blogs fed mostly by google traffic?

The traffic is good, but a 9th place listing will bring you nowhere near the conversions a 2-3rd place listing will. By the time a surfer has reached your page he has clicked through to the sponsor X times allready, every time he doesnt sign up there is less chance he will next time.

I think you will find that by bumping the site to the top few searches your conversions will suddenly be very good.

Many top 3 ranks in terms will do 1-60/1-75 average, where as the 9th spot may be lucky to see 1:1000 - 1:1500, and certainly, as bad as 1-5000, but at 1 in 5000 you still need only 1-2 good days to turn it into a respectable conversion rate.

Last edited by Jdoughs; 03-13-2008, 08:19 PM.

LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250
Be Seen By New Webmasters/Affiliates * Target out webmasters/affiliates based on niches your sites are for less than $20 a month.
AmeriNOC - Proudly hosted @ AmeriNOC!
Comment
Pokey the Turtle

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 216
Share

Post
#17

03-13-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by deejne

Very good point, there are many factors to take into consideration.

yup indeed

Fight Porn! NOW!

ICQ 405-839-610
Comment
Pokey the Turtle

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 216
Share

Post
#18

03-13-2008, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Jdoughs

The traffic is good, but a 9th place listing will bring you nowhere near the conversions a 2-3rd place listing will. By the time a surfer has reached your page he has clicked through to the sponsor X times allready, every time he doesnt sign up there is less chance he will next time.

I think you will find that by bumping the site to the top few searches your conversions will suddenly be very good.

Many top 3 ranks in terms will do 1-60/1-75 average, where as the 9th spot may be lucky to see 1:1000 - 1:1500, and certainly, as bad as 1-5000, but at 1 in 5000 you still need only 1-2 good days to turn it into a respectable conversion rate.

great post, so many things to consider that I never even thought of...thx

Fight Porn! NOW!

ICQ 405-839-610
Comment
fuzebox

making it rain

Join Date: Oct 2003

Posts: 22381
Share

Post
#19

03-13-2008, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Pokey the Turtle

good point, so assuming blogs fed mostly by google traffic?

Then it depends on volume. 30 hits a day for 3 months is not the same as sending 9000 over a few days...
Comment
Pokey the Turtle

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 216
Share

Post
#20

03-13-2008, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by fuzebox

Then it depends on volume. 30 hits a day for 3 months is not the same as sending 9000 over a few days...

so as such my question was meaningless, too many variables: depending on time of day , day of the week, own hosting, hosting of sponsor, time period,
google position, timing of google position etc...ahh

I might consider going back to my old job milking donkeys for sperm

Fight Porn! NOW!

ICQ 405-839-610
Comment
Jdoughs

Confirmed User

Join Date: Mar 2004

Posts: 5794
Share

Post
#21

03-13-2008, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by Pokey the Turtle

so as such my question was meaningless, too many variables: depending on time of day , day of the week, own hosting, hosting of sponsor, time period,
google position, timing of google position etc...ahh

I might consider going back to my old job milking donkeys for sperm

Rofl, nah just gotta remember that there is many many factors. A sponsor that ive consistantly been at 1-500 with for a few years is doing about 1/1500 with the same traffic. Lots of reasons why.

None make me feel any better..heh

LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250
Be Seen By New Webmasters/Affiliates * Target out webmasters/affiliates based on niches your sites are for less than $20 a month.
AmeriNOC - Proudly hosted @ AmeriNOC!
Comment
nekrom

Confirmed User

Join Date: Mar 2004

Posts: 921
Share

Post
#22

03-13-2008, 09:36 PM

I stop pushing a program at 0:3000. My traffic comes from fs submits to LL's, every single link is "non blind" and has the paysite name in the url. If the paysite can't convert it lower then that, then I move onto another one.

-N

Free Traffic
Comment
PornMogul

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2007

Posts: 1495
Share

Post
#23

03-13-2008, 09:46 PM

Well first of all I never push a sponsor unless I know it will convert. I never get 0:anything. Some sponsors will convert better and some will convert worse but I always get atleast some sales. If you are sending to a sponsor and getting 0 sales then you aren't a good webmaster.
Comment
GatorB

The Demon & 12clicks

Join Date: Oct 2001

Posts: 18208
Share

Post
#24

03-13-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by PornMogul

Well first of all I never push a sponsor unless I know it will convert. I never get 0:anything. Some sponsors will convert better and some will convert worse but I always get atleast some sales. If you are sending to a sponsor and getting 0 sales then you aren't a good webmaster.

How would you know they convert without trying them out? Because someone else told you they did? Not really a smart way of doing it.
Comment
PornMogul

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2007

Posts: 1495
Share

Post
#25

03-13-2008, 10:07 PM

umm no, I know because I know what my traffic is looking for so I know where to send them to.
Comment
GatorB

The Demon & 12clicks

Join Date: Oct 2001

Posts: 18208
Share

Post
#26

03-13-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by PornMogul

umm no, I know because I know what my traffic is looking for so I know where to send them to.

That doesn't answer the question HOW do you know. You can't just tell. While you're at it predict the powerball numbers it's $275 million
Comment
RTP

aka Jimmy James

Join Date: Nov 2006

Posts: 1335
Share

Post
#27

03-13-2008, 11:01 PM

analyze your traffic sources and your strategy for "originating" traffic. not everyones ratio is going to be the same that's for sure

Jimmy James ATKingdom/AMK Empire Since 1996 - My Movies
Home of ATKGirlfriends - Where we take pornstars on trips...and fuck them.
Connect with me on LinkedIn
Comment
Pokey the Turtle

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 216
Share

Post
#28

03-20-2008, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by PornMogul

Well first of all I never push a sponsor unless I know it will convert. I never get 0:anything. Some sponsors will convert better and some will convert worse but I always get atleast some sales. If you are sending to a sponsor and getting 0 sales then you aren't a good webmaster.

but the ratio the ratio...sure if i send x.000 hits then one day i will convert some traffic

Fight Porn! NOW!

ICQ 405-839-610
Comment

Previous template Next

Working...