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  • FATPad
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2001
    • 6693

    #1

    I need a math/stats geek momentarily

    There are four 7 game baseball series going on at once. Once a team wins 4 games the series is over. So a series can go either 4, 5, 6, or 7 games.

    What are the chances that 3 of the series go 7 games, but not all 4 do it?

    Ignore player abilities and all that. I just want a straight math percentage.
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  • PowerCum
    CjOverkill
    • Apr 2003
    • 1328

    #2
    exactly 50%

    They can do it or they cannot.

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    • DTK
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      • Feb 2002
      • 4546

      #3
      1 in 64 i think
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      • fiveyes
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2001
        • 1680

        #4
        Half of all the possibilities can be shown as (swap X for O for the other half):

        XXXX - 2

        XXXOX - 8
        XXOXX
        XOXXX
        OXXXX

        XXXOOX - 20
        XXOXOX
        XOXXOX
        OXXXOX
        XXOOXX
        XOXOXX
        OXXOXX
        XOOXXX
        OXOXXX
        OOXXXX

        XXXOOOX - 22
        XXOXOOX
        XOXXOOX
        OXXXOOX
        XXOOOXX
        XOXOOXX
        OXXOOXX
        XOOOXXX
        OOXOXXX
        OXOOXXX
        OOOXXXX

        So, we have 52 possible outcomes. There's a 22/52 chance that any one series will go 7 games and 30/52 chance it won't. We have four series and for three, and only three, of those series to be 7 games long ->

        number of ways A does happen
        _____________________________ ..... OR .... P(A)/ (1 -P(A))
        number of ways A does not happen

        Where:
        P(A) = 22/52 * 22/52 * 22/52 * 30/52 * 4 = 1277760/7311616

        1 - P(A) = (22/52 * 22/52 * 22/52 *22/52) + (30/52 * 30/52 * 22/52 * 22/52 * 6) + (30/52 *30/52 * 30/52 * 22/52 * 4) + (30/52 * 30/52 * 30/52 * 30/52) =
        (234256 + 2613600 + 2376000 + 810000)/7311616 = 7077360/7311616

        (1277760/7311616)
        __________________ = 1277760/7077360 =
        (7077360/7311616)

        5324/29489 or about an 18% chance.
        Last edited by fiveyes; 07-03-2003, 12:18 PM.
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        • Penthouse_mike
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          • Jun 2003
          • 317

          #5
          22/52*22/52*22/52*30/52

          4.36%

          Edited: to remove geeky exposition
          Last edited by Penthouse_mike; 07-03-2003, 01:05 PM.

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          • fiveyes
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2001
            • 1680

            #6
            Originally posted by Penthouse_mike
            22/52*22/52*22/52*30/52

            4.36%

            Edited: to remove geeky exposition
            What you're showing is the possibilty of any one <B>specific</B> match of a series being the only one not 7 games long.

            Look at it this way- There are four series to be played, and three of them must be 7 games and one of the others is of 4-6 games.

            OK, label each of the series A-D, but use lower case to designate the 4-6 game set. You'll then see there are 4 possible permutations:
            a-B-C-D = 30/52*22/52*22/52*22/52
            A-b-C-D = 22/52*30/52*22/52*22/52
            A-B-c-D = 22/52*22/52*30/52*22/52
            A-B-C-d = 22/52*22/52*22/52*30/52

            This is how P(A), the number of possible ways, is derived. So we have <B>22/52*22/52*22/52*30/52*4</B>. But that has to be divided by 1 - P(A), the number of ways it doesn't happen, to give the odds.
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            • fiveyes
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              • Aug 2001
              • 1680

              #7
              Got an e-mail that shows a bit of lack of understanding on what "odds" are, so one last time in...

              See http://www.saintjoe.edu/~karend/m111/m111c7.html for the difference between "probability" (P(A)), and "odds" (P(A)/P(not A)). Also check on the definition of "sample space".

              Breakdown of the <B>complete</B> sample space, using UPPER CASE to show a seven game match:

              a-B-C-D = 30/52*22/52*22/52*22/52 | These
              A-b-C-D = 22/52*30/52*22/52*22/52 | meet
              A-B-c-D = 22/52*22/52*30/52*22/52 | the
              A-B-C-d = 22/52*22/52*22/52*30/52 | criteria.
              __________________________________________
              a-b-c-d | No 7 game matches. (30/52*30/52*30/52*30/52) +

              A-b-c-d | Just
              a-B-c-d | one match
              a-b-C-d | of 7
              a-b-c-D | games. (30/52*30/52*30/52*22/52*4) +

              a-b-C-D | Two
              a-B-c-D | matches
              A-b-c-D | of
              a-B-C-d | 7
              A-b-C-d | games
              A-B-c-d | each. (30/52*30/52*22/52*22/52*6) +

              A-B-C-D | All 7 game matches. (22/52*22/52*22/52*22/52)

              ~~~~~~~

              So, the odds are app. 3/20, 3:20, 3 to 20 or, as a percentage, 15%.
              Last edited by fiveyes; 07-03-2003, 03:45 PM.
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              • Amputate Your Head
                There can be only one
                • Aug 2001
                • 39075

                #8
                SIG TOO BIG

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                • Brazzer
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                  • Mar 2003
                  • 400

                  #9
                  answer is :

                  12/256

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                  • FATPad
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                    • Oct 2001
                    • 6693

                    #10
                    Thanks, folks.
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