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07-31-2002, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by gothweb

With a picture, you can (probably) recognize someone if you bump into them. That means she can't keep herself a total secret.

With a full name, you can track someone down. Find their house, whatever. That means she isn't *safe*.

See the difference? It all depends on what you want the privacy for.

Damn, I never get any stalkers. What the hell am I doing wrong? I need some one to practice martial arts with, and my little rottie most definitely needs a new chew toy... Damn!
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07-31-2002, 09:53 PM

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>-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:04 PM

this mail comes from the future

Yeah, I commented on that up above too. Weird.
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07-31-2002, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by mrthumbs

Cheshire: send someone an email with tech knowledge
and let them verify it.

Or let me forward a message (suspicious though!) to one of you.

You tell me who Cheshire.. Dont wanna be accused of 'spreading' your name.

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07-31-2002, 09:55 PM

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07-31-2002, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by nocostporn
uh what the fuck is the big deal about a name? ooook he went out of his way to find out your first name... whats the big deal? I don't think you can say anoniminty since your picture is plastered everywhere... its just your first name big deal... or maybe it is a big deal if your name is... manly?

you guys are acting like he got your house address or some shit, its a name,grow the hell up

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sorry but i have to agree.... a names a name. i would think a picture would be more harmful than a first name.

BUT.... Why dont you just fess up and tell where you read it???

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07-31-2002, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by gothweb

With a full name, you can track someone down. Find their house, whatever. That means she isn't *safe*.
for.

I dont think he knows her FULL name? Does he cheshire?

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07-31-2002, 09:56 PM

Let me say this again:

I asked him three times, each time more vehemently than the last how he knew my name.
He repeatedly refused to tell me, hinting that he had ways of finding out information about me. The last email he sent he expressed his opinion that I don't have privacy if my picture is up on a chatboard.

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#108

07-31-2002, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

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Just send you the emails.. c'mon man.. set this straigt...
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07-31-2002, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Cheshire

Here's where that loses credibility Pathfinder
"Cheshire sends mrthumbs an E-mail with her name in the E-mail (this is what he has stated) and she gets upset that he knows her name and accuses him of being a stalker"

No ~ I asked him three times, each time more vehemently than the last how he knew my name.
He repeatedly refused to tell me, hinting that he had ways of finding out information about me. The last email he sent he expressed his opinion that I don't have privacy if my picture is up on a chatboard.

Either the name is in the E-mail or it isn't and if it is you would/or should be aware of this, thus you would automatically know how he got your name.

If you do not know that you are sending out your name in an E-mail...well...do I need to expand upon this?
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07-31-2002, 09:57 PM

AND i ONLY know her FIRST NAME....
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07-31-2002, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

sorry but i have to agree.... a names a name. i would think a picture would be more harmful than a first name.

BUT.... Why dont you just fess up and tell where you read it???

Then why do models use different names? Even first names? Porn stars do also. It's for various reasons.

As a webmaster, we give up a shitload of privacy. You could find almost anything you want about me with a quick search. Cheshire isn't a webmaster. She's an employee of an Internet company. The same rules do not apply.

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#112

07-31-2002, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by mrthumbs

Just send you the emails.. c'mon man.. set this straigt...

He's right. It's in the headers.

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07-31-2002, 10:02 PM

Mr Thumbs, you did something extremely child like tonight (or should I say this afternoon in your time). Only kids who have never seen any parts of an ass or touched a tit would do something like that. She might not have known her name was in her e-mail address but that didn't give you the right to act like you knew stuff about her that was private. That is a very uncomfortable feeling.

It's time for you to change your screen name and try again kid cause your name and respect from us is trashed.

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07-31-2002, 10:02 PM

And at what point could you have told me where you found my name???

Your mistake was being so underhanded with me ~ you should have been upfront.

Originally posted by Cheshire
>-----Original Message-----
> From: Mr Thumbs
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:04 PM
To: kat
Subject: Re: You're silly

Kat,

Kat, my dear.

Not -------?

Okok.. but keep in mind you have credits for flowers with me..

Take care,
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----- Original Message -----
From: kat
To: Mr Thumbs
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:26 AM
Subject: RE: You're silly

How did you now my real name???

~Kat (Cheshire)

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr Thumbs
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:37 PM
To: kat
Subject: Re: You're silly

I didnt.. did i?

Anyway: you're not accusing me of obsessive stalking already, are you?
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Kat said:

Who are you really ~ don't f*ck with me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr Thumbs
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:47 PM To: kat
Subject: Re: You're silly

Kat,

C'mon..was i, in any way, hostile or did give you any other reason to think that?

If so i apologize (although no flowers needed for this

Anyway.. i'm ---- and im from ---------
(personal blah blah stuff)

And for my knowlegde: Being a porncartel member opens doors i guess.
That's all.

-----------

----- Original Message -----
From: kat
To: Mr Thumbs
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:35 AM
Subject: RE: You're silly

You don't just pull a name like ---------- out of thin air... how did you find
it out?? ~ I've NEVER used it casually so you either know me or you've been
talking to someone that knows me.

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07-31-2002, 10:04 PM

Here's how I see it...

Sometimes us geeks get all thinking that acting mysterious to a woman (in terms of geeky info, etc.) in some way will impress her. Hell I used to be that way (granted it was when I was 16, but well who knows how old this Mr. Thumbs guy is?)

Anyway, I think Mr. Thumbs had a little crush on Chesire, and tried to impress her with some "mystery" shit that just didn't go down right. Now his crush has been dragged out into the public eye, and there's really not going to be a resolution.

Who here hasn't ever done or said something completely off the hook while trying to impress a woman, and then ended up feeling like a total putz after doing it? Let the geek who is without sin cast the first stone.

Chesire, I know you feel violated. I would too. But... the guy has a crush on you, it's obvious. If your info was in the email then it's no more than a crush with some stupid mystery played in that went the wrong way.

If your info isn't in the email, then Mr. Thumbs, I'd suggest leaving the poor girl alone and immediately get out of the house, go to your local bar, get a few drinks in you, and learn how to pick up a woman, sans the stalking shit.

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07-31-2002, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Pathfinder

Either the name is in the E-mail or it isn't and if it is you would/or should be aware of this, thus you would automatically know how he got your name.

If you do not know that you are sending out your name in an E-mail...well...do I need to expand upon this?

If it is in fact in the header I would think that some apologies would be in order for the derogatory statments made about mrthumbs, especially about being accused of stalking.
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07-31-2002, 10:06 PM

I get the feeling that people are thinking... "this wouldn't upset me" or "it doesn't make sense for her to be upset" and think that it decides the issue. The truth of the matter is, she *was* upset. And he knew it. And he harassed her.

What is the problem in seeing that part of it? Okay, assume the least generous case for Cheshire for a moment. Presume she just screwed up and her name really is in her headers. Further presume that she *should* have seen it. Fine. Now we get to the point where she was surprised about him knowing her name. Just take that simple fact, followed by the fact that it upset her. When he saw this, he had the choice to set things straight, and educate her about the privacy breach. He did not. He played.

Isn't is easy to see how insensitive and creepy he was?

Let's take this a step further. Assuming he just didn't understand how much he had freaked her out. It might happen. However, she persistently explained it to him, and asked for more information. At some point, he had all the information to know how upset she was, and what he could do to help it. However, he did not use that information... He continued to argue with her about it.

Worst case scenario and Cheshire is still right. And I am guessing that worst case is a long ways from the truth. We have here a very simple case of creepy guy.

And remember. It is her information. It isn't up to anyone but her to decide how private she wants it kept, and at what level it scares her for people to know it. Explaining why she "shouldn't" be upset doesn't somehow make MrThumbs right.

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#118

07-31-2002, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Then why do models use different names? Even first names? Porn stars do also. It's for various reasons.

As a webmaster, we give up a shitload of privacy. You could find almost anything you want about me with a quick search. Cheshire isn't a webmaster. She's an employee of an Internet company. The same rules do not apply.

I just dont see why a first name is so bad... Shes neither a model or a pornstar but like you say, an employee of an internet company.

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#119

07-31-2002, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

He's right. It's in the headers.

Thank you.. although i must admit i do look like
an ass if you read the highlights of this thread.

Really.. how could i expect Cheshire didnt know
she had it in her email? I mean.. that would sound
like a joke to you? Wouldnt it?

Able to post on GFY, set het signature.. i mean
that's Rocket Science compared to email and computernames.

And not the phonenumber of her familiy: just her first name.

It IS actually a Joke.. Well.. Cheshire got her revenge for my poll i guess. Revenge is
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07-31-2002, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Pathfinder

If it is in fact in the header I would think that some apologies would be in order for the derogatory statments made about mrthumbs, especially about being accused of stalking.

He mentioned stalking first. But yeh, I'll apologize for whatever I may have said (don't even remember now). But, dude, you were extremely creepy about this. What the fuck for?

And by the way, why were you even looking through the headers? Is this common? Just wondering, I've never done it...

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07-31-2002, 10:08 PM

(My last post took a while to type. When I wrote it, I had not seen confirmation that the name was indeed in the headers. I'll stick by what I said, though.)

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07-31-2002, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Pathfinder

If it is in fact in the header I would think that some apologies would be in order for the derogatory statments made about mrthumbs, especially about being accused of stalking.

What the fuck? it's the way he was acting that's the real issue here. Go back to CNN dude.
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07-31-2002, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
And by the way, why were you even looking through the headers? Is this common? Just wondering, I've never done it...

I actually look at headers alot to make sure the E-mail is coming from the right place and person.

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07-31-2002, 10:11 PM

I do not actually think Mr. Thumbs was being that scary...just a little joke that was taken the wrong way.
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07-31-2002, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

He mentioned stalking first. But yeh, I'll apologize for whatever I may have said (don't even remember now). But, dude, you were extremely creepy about this. What the fuck for?

And by the way, why were you even looking through the headers? Is this common? Just wondering, I've never done it...

Well...stalking is the subject of this thread.
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07-31-2002, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

He mentioned stalking first. But yeh, I'll apologize for whatever I may have said (don't even remember now). But, dude, you were extremely creepy about this. What the fuck for?

And by the way, why were you even looking through the headers? Is this common? Just wondering, I've never done it...

Sly... If a girl asked me how I knew her name when it was clearly in the header of an email, I would fuck with her to. Guys always fuck with girls like that and I dont think MrThumbs was being creepy at all. Just trying to be funny...

Glad its all sorted out though. At least Cheshire can rest now that she knows shes not being stalked.

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07-31-2002, 10:13 PM

BTW.... New niche???? "Stalker Bus"

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07-31-2002, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by TheApostate

What the fuck? it's the way he was acting that's the real issue here. Go back to CNN dude.

To dumb to know that her name is in the E-mail header, accuses him of being a stalker...yeah you are right...wtf.
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07-31-2002, 10:14 PM

Does this mean I have to stop trying to hack her ICQ?

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07-31-2002, 10:14 PM

Herrasment? Childish? C'mon! This was a chatty conversation
where Cheshire tried to convince she WAS who she claims to be ( refering to my poll) and me just trying to outsmart her.

Nothing fucking SERIOUS. . and if you and if you READ the entire thread i did with here you see it was in a 'fucking around' mood.

Playing around.

So this is REALLY way out of line and even the most ignorant
retard would be able to see i did NOT go out of line
and it was a JOKE.. nothing more nothing less..

Not even a BAD joke.. and cheshire knows that! Or SHOULD know.
Specially with over 2000 posts.
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07-31-2002, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by mrthumbs
Really.. how could i expect Cheshire didnt know
she had it in her email? I mean.. that would sound
like a joke to you? Wouldnt it?

ummm.... I don't think so dude....

I think you knew full well what you were doing. Why else would you make comments like you did.... "I know your name" and shit like that....

don't try to play it off now you creepy fuckstick. If you had *assumed* she knew it was in her email headers, none of any of this ever would have come to be in the first place because you wouldn't have done your little "I can get info on you" routine.

Leave her the fuck alone man.

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07-31-2002, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

Sly... If a girl asked me how I knew her name when it was clearly in the header of an email, I would fuck with her to. Guys always fuck with girls like that and I dont think MrThumbs was being creepy at all. Just trying to be funny...

Glad its all sorted out though. At least Cheshire can rest now that she knows shes not being stalked.

I concur.
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07-31-2002, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
BTW.... New niche???? "Stalker Bus"

What would that look like? Screenshots of threads started by Cheshire & Nina? All of them could be a candidate. Although I would consider it admiration from afar (and not so far in Nina's case...NY).

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07-31-2002, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by mrthumbs
Herrasment? Childish? C'mon! This was a chatty conversation
where Cheshire tried to convince she WAS who she claims to be ( refering to my poll) and me just trying to outsmart her.

Nothing fucking SERIOUS. . and if you and if you READ the entire thread i did with here you see it was in a 'fucking around' mood.

Playing around.

So this is REALLY way out of line and even the most ignorant
retard would be able to see i did NOT go out of line
and it was a JOKE.. nothing more nothing less..

Not even a BAD joke.. and cheshire knows that! Or SHOULD know.
Specially with over 2000 posts.

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07-31-2002, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

I just dont see why a first name is so bad... Shes neither a model or a pornstar but like you say, an employee of an internet company.

My name and information has been plastered all over the Internet for years. Yet I still get a little creeped out when people come to me WITH my name or information. Why? Because that means they went out of their way to find out who I am.

Anyone who has even a shred of respect for me will call me Sly publicly or on the boards. A few select friends and associates know my real name, I have no problem with them calling me it privately, but publicly I'm not so cool with quite yet. Mainly because I prefer to be called Sly at this time.

It's all about preferences and respect. We get in pisses all the time around here, which is good fun. But at the same time we all respect each other, for the most part anyway. We need to keep the respect for each other and each others wishes, no matter how much we hate each other. Tonight we had a breach of respect... plain and simple.

For every person that you know personal information about, several others know personal information about you. Don't leak information or be secretive about it. You'll just fuck yourself.

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07-31-2002, 10:17 PM

i just think it's funny how gothweb is all up in chesire's and mr.thumbs kool-aid. some of your post make you sound like a whiney bitch getting in other peoples business...
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07-31-2002, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

My name and information has been plastered all over the Internet for years. Yet I still get a little creeped out when people come to me WITH my name or information. Why? Because that means they went out of their way to find out who I am.

Anyone who has even a shred of respect for me will call me Sly publicly or on the boards. A few select friends and associates know my real name, I have no problem with them calling me it privately, but publicly I'm not so cool with quite yet. Mainly because I prefer to be called Sly at this time.

It's all about preferences and respect. We get in pisses all the time around here, which is good fun. But at the same time we all respect each other, for the most part anyway. We need to keep the respect for each other and each others wishes, no matter how much we hate each other. Tonight we had a breach of respect... plain and simple.

For every person that you know personal information about, several others know personal information about you. Don't leak information or be secretive about it. You'll just fuck yourself.

I concur.

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07-31-2002, 10:19 PM

If i would know for real Cheshire REALLY made an issue
out of this besides 'revenge' for me posting that poll
i would apologize.

But it CANT be Cheshire is really offended and 'she didnt know'
just not possible.
And now i'm the bad guy now being accused of 'fucking people'.

Hey.. and now people know MY first name..

(not that that matters now i go in the history books
as a stalker, hacker, herasser, etc etc)

So who's the victim?
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07-31-2002, 10:20 PM

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07-31-2002, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by sternyduke
i just think it's funny how gothweb is all up in chesire's and mr.thumbs kool-aid. some of your post make you sound like a whiney bitch getting in other peoples business...

Yeah. You're right. (sigh) I freaked out. What can I say? This is something very close to my heart, since my girlfriend is the star of an adult site, and we both worry about a "fan" tracking her down. When I saw this thread, it was clear that Thumbs just wasn't getting what he was doing wrong.

But, as I say, you're right. I guess I didn't need to get quite that involved. More a matter of my inability to leave an argument alone, if I think someone is dead wrong, than it is about my whineyness. My whineyness is another issue that I am sure you will witness later. ;)

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07-31-2002, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

My name and information has been plastered all over the Internet for years. Yet I still get a little creeped out when people come to me WITH my name or information. Why? Because that means they went out of their way to find out who I am.

I bet it doesnt happen to often. Or perhaps as often as you would like

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07-31-2002, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus

Sly... If a girl asked me how I knew her name when it was clearly in the header of an email, I would fuck with her to. Guys always fuck with girls like that and I dont think MrThumbs was being creepy at all. Just trying to be funny...

Mmm... I had to dig for it. Guess I don't have the right settings set to default? No idea. But I highly doubt she remembered it was there...

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07-31-2002, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by mrthumbs
So who's the victim?

you'll get no sympathy here. This was your creation.

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07-31-2002, 10:21 PM

So it comes out that my computer at work was named into the network as my real name... problem will be solved immediately. Curious how my emails have to my knowledge never before been stamped with my network identification.

mrthumbs ~ I do apologize for bringing this to gfy, and I hope you re read those emails I sent you where I repeatedly asked you how you knew my name and see how I was very serious, upset, and CLEAR about wanting to protect my privacy, and to know where your information came from.

Your responses to me about protecting your source of information on me appeared to imply that you have A SOURCE OF INFORMATION ON ME, which opens the door to the question 'what else does he know'.

That question could have been answered quickly, but a game ensued. I played along I see, and maybe I came off as accusing you of stalking (yes I see the title of this thread) ~ but it is a legitimate question when someone knows a little too much information about you and is not forthcoming about how.

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07-31-2002, 10:22 PM

As Cheshire said before, it is about respect.
Some people don't seem to understand that.
On a board full of perverts like this I think she's a brave girl just to show her pics. "hey, are you aware that your real name is in your email headers" would've been a nice gesture, although I guess that's Monday-morning-quarterbacking. I think Cheshire has earned herself a little more respect than what mrthumbs showed her, wether he was fucking aroud or not.
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07-31-2002, 10:23 PM

Far as I knew he could have known my full name, address... anything.

Answering how he knew my first name would have answered the countless questions his knowledge posed.

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07-31-2002, 10:25 PM

I concur.

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07-31-2002, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by mrthumbs
Herrasment? Childish? C'mon!...Nothing fucking SERIOUS.... Playing around.....even the most ignorant retard would be able to see i did NOT go out of line and it was a JOKE....

The feeling that someone is *watching* you, that you've been somehow violated in the slightest, is a very serious feeling. In this day and age of stalkers finding, raping, and killing their victims in all sorts of horrific manners, your "happy-go-dumbass" mindless humor has no place. There is a lesson for you here mrthumbs.

Lesson: When someone says they are concerned and possibly feeling a bit threatened and fearful of you, don't keep yanking their chain like a dipshit. Try giving your wanker head a shake and being real and honest with them and get the shit straightened out.

If you had've done this in the first page of this thread, there wouldn't now be a few hundred webmasters out there thinking you are a creepy retard. Tell me, why was it so hard to just open up and answer Cheshire's questions without her having to ask them 10 times? I've certainly bestowed the title of dipshit to others for much less. I recommend you be a man and apologize to Cheshire, and then I'm sure she will do likewise for saying some things that she said, and all should be well. Unless you really are stalking her. Bad mistake if you are.

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07-31-2002, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by ^R3K^
I concur.

I concur.

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07-31-2002, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

ummm.... I don't think so dude....

Amp.. you're a cool dude that can do cool things
and your posts are entertaining too..

But you're not right this time and making a quick
judgement that is false.

And i know that if i would be reading this i at
least would think "if there's smoke there is fire.."

Cutting up statements out of an email is the easy
way to go.. but if you look at the whole picture
(context) and Cheshire starting this conversation with me
you would probably have done the same in my conversation.

I mean.. c'mon.. READ the fucking email and there's
NOTHING scary.. and EVERYTHING is clearly in a
joking 'way'. If i would found her firstname in an old
post: OK.. maybe she forgot about that and then i
would be worried that 'she might be offended'
but it was in her fucking EMAIL so i was just being smart.

C'mon.
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