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  • iwantchixx
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Oct 2002
    • 12860
    #101
    Getting all your panties in knots over nothing...

    Minimum has been over $10 here for ages and nobody closed up shop anywhere over it. Prices just increase and people pay the prices.

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      • mineistaken
        See signature :)
        • Apr 2007
        • 29656
        #102
        Originally posted by iwantchixx
        Getting all your panties in knots over nothing...

        Minimum has been over $10 here for ages and nobody closed up shop anywhere over it. Prices just increase and people pay the prices.
        Where?
        And how do you know that nobody closed the shop? You mean nobody from the shops you frequent maybe?

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          • Barefootsies
            Choice is an Illusion
            • Feb 2005
            • 42635
            #103
            Originally posted by signupdamnit
            Anyway It seems as if some people can only feel better about themselves when they put down others.
            A week ago you were defending that Damian/Markham guy DVTimes for what YOU felt was people being rude or talking down to him despite no one really was. Now you're off defending the fry cooks. It seems a recurring theme here with you since you've become bitter about the fail in the adult affiliate game over the past year.

            One of these days you're going to find more productive ways to spend you time other than fighting with complete strangers on the web, defending other strangers you've never met, arguing with PR Glen and alike because they have a differing opinion and focus on your business. You should spend more of your anger and energy on your business, then you would have more success and less fail to be negative and bitching about daily.

            Once you actually achieve some level of consistent success, only then will you truly understand.

            Last edited by Barefootsies; 09-14-2013, 12:36 PM.
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            Link1 | Link2 | Link3

            Enough Said.

            "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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              • signupdamnit
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2007
                • 6697
                #104
                Originally posted by mineistaken
                Where?
                And how do you know that nobody closed the shop? You mean nobody from the shops you frequent maybe?
                If a business closed up shop for a raise which is equal to or less than inflation then that basically means the business was already struggling or not viable (absent slavery times) in the first place. It would be much like an affiliate suddenly announcing they are leaving the business because GoDaddy raised their domain prices 30 cents per domain.

                You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                  • signupdamnit
                    Confirmed User
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 6697
                    #105
                    Originally posted by Barefootsies
                    A week ago you were defending that Damian/Markham guy DVTimes for what YOU felt was people being rude or talking down to him despite no one really was. Now you're off defending the fry cooks. It seems a recurring theme here with you since you've become bitter about the fail in the adult affiliate game over the past year.

                    One of these days you're going to find more productive ways to spend you time other than fighting with complete strangers on the web, defending other strangers you've never met, arguing with PR Glen and alike because they have a differing opinion and focus on your business.

                    Once you actually achieve some level of consistent success, only then will you truly understand.

                    I just don't like bullies, Barefootsies. And I'm here less than you are. I don't get what you mean about Pr_Glen. He kept personally attacking me and following me around the forum so I put him on ignore almost a month ago. I don't argue with the guy, I just ignore him. <shrug> IF you don't like what I post, see sig.

                    Why so angry anyway?

                    You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                      • Barefootsies
                        Choice is an Illusion
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 42635
                        #106
                        Originally posted by signupdamnit
                        Why so angry anyway?
                        I am not angry. I am making a simple point, along with a few other business owners in this thread, that most of you guy have no idea what the TRUE COST of an employee is nor appreciate the ripple effect. Here is a link example for your pleasure to educate your brain.

                        The 'real cost' of an $8.50/hour employee to business = $13.51/hour

                        http://www.employ-solutions.com/RealCosts.asp
                        Should You Email Your Members?

                        Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                        Enough Said.

                        "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                          • signupdamnit
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 6697
                            #107
                            Originally posted by Barefootsies
                            I am not angry. I am making a simple point, along with a few other business owners in this thread, that most of you guy have no idea what the TRUE COST of a pay raise or employee is. Here is a link example for your pleasure to educate your brain.

                            The 'real cost' of an $8.50/hour employee to business = $13.51/hour

                            http://www.employ-solutions.com/RealCosts.asp
                            That's the challenge of running a business. You must deal with things like administrative expenses and taxes. Nobody owes you anything. If your business isn't viable and you can't pay the minimum wage and deal with the overhead then maybe you don't have a viable business. Especially here when the proposed increase is basically just keeping up with inflation over the past decade.

                            I don't think the above is the situation for many of these businesses though. They can afford the increase and will be able to absorb it through various means. F.U.D. aside it's probably not going to mean a $7 Big Mac either.

                            You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                              • Magnetron
                                Lord High Groundhog
                                • Jun 2013
                                • 1841
                                #108
                                Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                I am not angry. I am making a simple point, along with a few other business owners in this thread, that most of you guy have no idea what the TRUE COST of an employee is nor appreciate the ripple effect. Here is a link example for your pleasure to educate your brain.

                                The 'real cost' of an $8.50/hour employee to business = $13.51/hour
                                And the ripple effect of paying the masses the bare minimum allowed by the law is what again for the 3rd time?

                                People in need of financial aid.
                                .
                                Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                                and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                                While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                                with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                                you stood for
                                ever before the window saying
                                nothing

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                                  • Magnetron
                                    Lord High Groundhog
                                    • Jun 2013
                                    • 1841
                                    #109
                                    Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                    You should spend more of your anger and energy on your business, then you would have more success and less fail to be negative and bitching about daily.
                                    I couldn't agree more.

                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                    You, like all other poor people have no real clue how business works. The added costs are ALWAYS passed to consumers. YOU are paying for the pay raise... not the "evil corporation". Fucking moron.
                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                    It works quite well for those that actually adapt. Not so well for dipshits who are in a perpetual state of befuddlement at the fact that money isn't just falling out of the sky.

                                    We all understand that a high minimum wage is very important to you, _Richard_ and signupdamit. When you have no skills, no education and no real ability to make money in the very business you've been in for years... the future has to look pretty bleak. Add on top of that your mom bitching that you didn't make your bed, your dad threatening to throw you out of the house and add to that, the constant worry of your bicycle getting stolen and life has to be pretty stressful.
                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                    Print these threads out so you have something to amuse yourself when waiting in line, applying for food stamps and welfare or so you have something to keep you laughing in between Johns you are sucking off at the park to make ends meet.
                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                    These issues affect everyone. (except Canadians... though that never stops _Richard_)

                                    These issues are about what we expect of people. What society expects of people. What standards a society has. What standards a society wants to hold its people to.... and what we expect of each and every person. The "American Dream" was never "get a low paying job and then demand more from society".

                                    The message "hey no-skilled assholes who have no value in the workplace because you have no skills, experience or education - you deserve more". is not a great message. I will pay for it directly with higher costs. I will pay for it indirectly as we continue to create a society that - instead of demanding the best effort from everyone and that expects everyone to strive for greatness is slowly being replaced with self entitled idiots who know absolutely nothing about how the world works and believe they need to be rewarded for non-achievement.

                                    The message should be "you need to keep moving up. You need to keep working harder. Keep improving your skills. You need to keep improving your education and INCREASE YOUR VALUE in the workplace. Not simply demand more for a job you shouldn't be doing for more than a year anyway... because its not a career, nor was it ever meant to be"

                                    I am not uber wealthy. I don't try to be. I try to enjoy my life. I don't think I am better than anyone because of my bank account. I think I am better than those who don't try.. because I and those I choose to surround myself with, do.
                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                    Yes, rich people are to blame for your lack of value in the work place. Rich people are to blame for your lack of skills. Rich people are to blame for your lack of education. Rich people are to blame for your inability to better yourself. Everyone is to blame except you.
                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                    What a horrible fucking message to society to sit and argue that the guy washing the lettuce shouldn't be expected to move up in life, improve his skills, his education and job, he should just demand more money for washing lettuce. Thats how the USA will remain an economic super power. By vilifying success and those who work 80hrs a week and risk it all... and instead letting the inmates run the asylum. Makes perfect sense.
                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                    And now... what the fuck. Fast Food in the USA is a life long career - not a first job. Not a temporary measure. Go team.

                                    Time to learn Chinese. You people are fucked and you are dragging the nation down with you.
                                    All that blaming and rage is only going to end in an ulcer.
                                    Last edited by Magnetron; 09-14-2013, 01:27 PM.
                                    .
                                    Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                                    and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                                    While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                                    with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                                    you stood for
                                    ever before the window saying
                                    nothing

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                                      • georgeyw
                                        58008 53773
                                        • Jul 2005
                                        • 9865
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by mineistaken
                                        Its best to speak percentages when speaking about matters like this. Its whole 25% increase. Pretty huge.
                                        33.3% increase
                                        TripleXPrint on Megan Fox
                                        "I would STILL suck her pussy until her face caved in. And then blow her up and do it again!"

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                                          • mineistaken
                                            See signature :)
                                            • Apr 2007
                                            • 29656
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by georgeyw
                                            33.3% increase
                                            from 8 to 10 as far as I read in this thread

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                                              • georgeyw
                                                58008 53773
                                                • Jul 2005
                                                • 9865
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                from 8 to 10 as far as I read in this thread
                                                Thought I read $7.5 to $10
                                                TripleXPrint on Megan Fox
                                                "I would STILL suck her pussy until her face caved in. And then blow her up and do it again!"

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                                                  • ThunderBalls
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                    • 2926
                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                    In ideal world. In reality - there are not enough of quality people to fill all the job openings. Meaning that some percentage of work force do not even meet minimum wage requirements, but there are not enough of people to replace them all.

                                                    Look at it this way, maybe someone will be able to finally pay you $70 to buy that shitty ass domain you've been trying to sell for months in your sig.

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                                                      • Robbie
                                                        Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 20960
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by arock10
                                                        The average mcdonalds worker is 30 years old. Considering they employ 760,000 people in the US that is a lot of failures.
                                                        An average age does not mean that most people there are "30".

                                                        It can also mean that not only are there a lot of teenagers with their first jobs...but also a lot of senior citizens making some extra income (which is pretty much what I see at most McDonalds).

                                                        When you add up all the ages then divide it by the number of employess you probably come up with a number around "30"

                                                        This is called skewing statistics to make them appear to be something that they aren't.

                                                        For instance...I could take Dave Cummings (age 73) and shoot a scene with him and an 18 year old teen girl.
                                                        Then I could tell you that the average age of the performers in my video is 45 years old.

                                                        THAT is what it means when these people with an agenda tell you that the average age of a person working McDonalds is "30".

                                                        We all need to start using our brains and commons sense and stop falling for this bullshit.
                                                        -Robbie
                                                        ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                          • Rochard
                                                            Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                            • 75733
                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by Sly
                                                            What's funny is California is so diverse, not just with its people but also its geography. The farming valleys are absolutely massive and make up a huge part of the country's agricultural output. Raising minimum wage in poor valley towns to make up for the high cost of Los Angeles living does not make much sense to me? basically sounds like the inner-city politicians have way more power than the rural politicians (which I would guess is fairly common), but those rural businesses are certainly going to take a hit.

                                                            They should put up a new sign on the Tijuana entry. "Hello migrant workers, we welcome you!"

                                                            On the bright side, this could spur technological innovations. Speed trains to bring in workers from Oregon, Nevada, Arizona?
                                                            California is amazing.

                                                            I had to drive up north to the REAL Northern California a few times in the past few months, and it was fucking amazing.
                                                            Herschel Savage
                                                            Brooklyn, NY

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                                                              • mineistaken
                                                                See signature :)
                                                                • Apr 2007
                                                                • 29656
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by ThunderBalls
                                                                Look at it this way, maybe someone will be able to finally pay you $70 to buy that shitty ass domain you've been trying to sell for months in your sig.
                                                                On the contrary - now whopper floppers would be rich enough not to need to supplement theri day job income by becoming adult webmasters. Less potential buyers for me, why do you think I oppose the raise?
                                                                Last edited by mineistaken; 09-14-2013, 03:49 PM.

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                                                                  • TheSquealer
                                                                    Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                    • Oct 2004
                                                                    • 26181
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by Magnetron

                                                                    All that blaming and rage is only going to end in an ulcer.
                                                                    "blaming"?

                                                                    Oh...Thats what you're calling my expecting people to strive for more, to constantly improve their skills, to continually educated themselves and therefore be worth more in the marketplace and have the life they want instead of just doing nothing and demanding that everyone else pay for their xbox and iPhone5?

                                                                    "blame"... uhm... yeah...

                                                                    Working at McDonalds used to be embarrassing. It was supposed to be. It means you are on the very bottom rung of the ladder of the workforce and should immediately start climbing.... That is how you get past the shame and earn respect.. the respect of others and build self respect. That doesn't happen by just pounding your fist and demanding those who did pay you more so you can wash lettuce as a career choice. Thats not a good message for anyone. Thats a formula for economic failure.
                                                                    Last edited by TheSquealer; 09-14-2013, 03:51 PM.
                                                                    .
                                                                    Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                    Rochard

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                                                                      • SuckOnThis
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                        • 6844
                                                                        #118

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                                                                          • Magnetron
                                                                            Lord High Groundhog
                                                                            • Jun 2013
                                                                            • 1841
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                            "blaming"?

                                                                            Oh...Thats what you're calling my expecting people to strive for more, to constantly improve their skills, to continually educated themselves and therefore be worth more in the marketplace and have the life they want instead of just doing nothing and demanding that everyone else pay for their xbox and iPhone5?

                                                                            "blame"... uhm... yeah...

                                                                            Working at McDonalds used to be embarrassing. It was supposed to be. It means you are on the very bottom rung of the ladder of the workforce and should immediately start climbing.... That is how you get past the shame and earn respect.. the respect of others and build self respect. That doesn't happen by just pounding your fist and demanding those who did pay you more so you can wash lettuce as a career choice. Thats not a good message for anyone. Thats a formula for economic failure.
                                                                            Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                            It's the cheap ass AMERICAN CONSUMER that dictates a low wage not business.

                                                                            American consumers don't care manufacturing jobs moved to China or they would insist on buying "made in America" labeled goods at slightly higher prices. They don't.

                                                                            If there is a demand for something American business would fill it. If a fast food owner opened a location guaranteeing $15 an hour and great benefits per entry level worker he would be out of business in 6 months.

                                                                            The same people whining here about low wages would be to cheap to pay the higher food prices and shop at the cheaper restaurants. American consumers are all about price and not about pride in quality. Why do you think the largest retailer in the country is fucking walmart. American consumers don't care their clothes are made in sweat shops. American consumers don't care their Christmas ornaments are made by 10 year old children locked in dirt floored rooms. They sure as shit don't care about the person flipping a burger.


                                                                            .
                                                                            Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                            These issues are about what we expect of people. What society expects of people. What standards a society has. What standards a society wants to hold its people to.... and what we expect of each and every person. The "American Dream" was never "get a low paying job and then demand more from society".

                                                                            The message "hey no-skilled assholes who have no value in the workplace because you have no skills, experience or education - you deserve more". is not a great message. I will pay for it directly with higher costs. I will pay for it indirectly as we continue to create a society that - instead of demanding the best effort from everyone and that expects everyone to strive for greatness is slowly being replaced with self entitled idiots who know absolutely nothing about how the world works and believe they need to be rewarded for non-achievement.

                                                                            The message should be "you need to keep moving up. You need to keep working harder. Keep improving your skills. You need to keep improving your education and INCREASE YOUR VALUE in the workplace. Not simply demand more for a job you shouldn't be doing for more than a year anyway... because its not a career, nor was it ever meant to be"

                                                                            I am not uber wealthy. I don't try to be. I try to enjoy my life. I don't think I am better than anyone because of my bank account. I think I am better than those who don't try.. because I and those I choose to surround myself with, do.
                                                                            hmmmmmmm................
                                                                            .
                                                                            Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                                                                            and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                                                                            While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                                                                            with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                                                                            you stood for
                                                                            ever before the window saying
                                                                            nothing

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                                                                              • Magnetron
                                                                                Lord High Groundhog
                                                                                • Jun 2013
                                                                                • 1841
                                                                                #120
                                                                                SON: Mom, why does my hamburger taste like ass?

                                                                                DAUGHTER: And why does mine have a deflated balloon in it?

                                                                                MOTHER: Kids, do you see that man behind the counter wearing a hair net? Well, your Father thought it was a good idea to yell at that man and call him a broke fucking loser moron. Before he served us our food.

                                                                                SON: Why, Mom, why?

                                                                                MOTHER: Because your Father thinks that man should be paid to thirty-two dollars less an hour than your Father who is a Journeyman Electrician, instead of being paid thirty dollars less an hour.

                                                                                SON: I just threw up in my mouth!!!

                                                                                DAUGHTER: Hey, this funny looking balloon has mayonaise inside it!

                                                                                MOTHER: Now, Kids, what do you say to your Dipshit Father?

                                                                                SON & DAUGHTER ( in unison ): THANKS ALOT, DIPSHIT!!!
                                                                                Last edited by Magnetron; 09-15-2013, 03:18 AM.
                                                                                .
                                                                                Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                                                                                and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                                                                                While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                                                                                with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                                                                                you stood for
                                                                                ever before the window saying
                                                                                nothing

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                                                                                  • clickhappy
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                    • 4027
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                    I mean its not like they are perpetually bankrupt, have high taxes, high cost of living and are driving people and entire industries out of the state in droves.
                                                                                    Im leaving California soon but it makes me laugh when I read "People are leaving California in droves".

                                                                                    Its like saying "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

                                                                                    Its jammed as fuck here, traffic everywhere, long lines for everything. I dont see people leaving.
                                                                                    I like california but Ill be be able to buy a house here, so leaving soon

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                                                                                      • TheSquealer
                                                                                        Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                                        • Oct 2004
                                                                                        • 26181
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by clickhappy
                                                                                        Im leaving California soon but it makes me laugh when I read "People are leaving California in droves".

                                                                                        Its like saying "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

                                                                                        Its jammed as fuck here, traffic everywhere, long lines for everything. I dont see people leaving.
                                                                                        I like california but Ill be be able to buy a house here, so leaving soon
                                                                                        It is not like its a secret. People with money are leaving. Dipshits with a dream of just flipping burgers for 12.00 an hr are flooding in. It began as the housing bubble started to peak and continues to this day.

                                                                                        It is kind of cute however that you simply looked out your window to gauge the health of the economy, housing market, job market and to determine exactly how many people were leaving and staying... and how many wealthy people were leaving and taking their money with them.

                                                                                        http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...or-Instability
                                                                                        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...861056966.html
                                                                                        Last edited by TheSquealer; 09-15-2013, 05:26 AM.
                                                                                        .
                                                                                        Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                                        Rochard

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                                                                                          • ThunderBalls
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                            • 2926
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                            I mean its not like they are perpetually bankrupt, have high taxes, high cost of living and are driving people and entire industries out of the state in droves.
                                                                                            Where are you getting your info that California businesses are leaving in droves?

                                                                                            Wyoming is the highest-rated state in the nation for business tax policy yet they are the only state in the country to lose population every year. If your theory was correct Wyoming and Alabama would be booming and places like NYC, Palo Alto, Silicon Valley would all be deserted and isolated.

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                                                                                              • Grapesoda
                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                • 46238
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                California is amazing.

                                                                                                I had to drive up north to the REAL Northern California a few times in the past few months, and it was fucking amazing.
                                                                                                I agree, most are under the impression that California is Los Angles, San Francisco, San Diego... California is a beautiful state of small communities and farms....

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                                                                                                  • Grapesoda
                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                    • 46238
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    Originally posted by clickhappy
                                                                                                    Im leaving California soon but it makes me laugh when I read "People are leaving California in droves".

                                                                                                    Its like saying "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

                                                                                                    Its jammed as fuck here, traffic everywhere, long lines for everything. I dont see people leaving.
                                                                                                    I like california but Ill be be able to buy a house here, so leaving soon
                                                                                                    I've heard this mentioned several time... the tax base in California is getting smaller as companies relocated due to harsh legislation... ever wonder why movies are shot in Louisiana, New York and Canada? the rental house in California have moved the majority of their equipment out of the area.. I didn't read this online and can NOT show you the stats.. I know this from a 30 year relationship with the rental house that allows me to speak with the mangers that were working the counter when I started dealing with the vendors... belive it or not, as you will, I actually don't give a fuck what you think
                                                                                                    Last edited by Grapesoda; 09-15-2013, 07:21 AM.

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                                                                                                      • mineistaken
                                                                                                        See signature :)
                                                                                                        • Apr 2007
                                                                                                        • 29656
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Originally posted by ThunderBalls
                                                                                                        Where are you getting your info that California businesses are leaving in droves?

                                                                                                        Wyoming is the highest-rated state in the nation for business tax policy yet they are the only state in the country to lose population every year. If your theory was correct Wyoming and Alabama would be booming and places like NYC, Palo Alto, Silicon Valley would all be deserted and isolated.
                                                                                                        Not that simple. Tax policy is just one thing. You can not compare it like that. The thing is that Wyoming with better tax policy would be better than Wyoming with worse tax policy. Completely does not mean that it would be better than any other state with worse tax policy.

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                                                                                                          • ThunderBalls
                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                            • 2926
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                            Not that simple. Tax policy is just one thing. You can not compare it like that. The thing is that Wyoming with better tax policy would be better than Wyoming with worse tax policy. Completely does not mean that it would be better than any other state with worse tax policy.

                                                                                                            Tell that to your right wing buddies who keep crying that high taxes are pushing businesses out of CA in droves.

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                                                                                                              • TheSquealer
                                                                                                                Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                                                                • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                • 26181
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                                                                                                I've heard this mentioned several time... the tax base in California is getting smaller as companies relocated due to harsh legislation... ever wonder why movies are shot in Louisiana, New York and Canada? the rental house in California have moved the majority of their equipment out of the area.. I didn't read this online and can NOT show you the stats.. I know this from a 30 year relationship with the rental house that allows me to speak with the mangers that were working the counter when I started dealing with the vendors... belive it or not, as you will, I actually don't give a fuck what you think
                                                                                                                It began as the housing market was heating up and getting out of control. Washington, Oregon and Vegas and other places were being flooded with wealthy Californians who could sell their shitbox McMansion for $5,000,000 in Palo Alto or where ever and buy a $1,000,000.00 McMansion in Seattle suburbs that was bigger and still have $4,000,000 in the bank. This all was probably most obvious to those around banking/finance/real estate/mortgages. There was a time in 06/07/08 where it was completely unreal how many Californians were buying property in Oregon and Washington and the impact they were having on the housing market and prices.
                                                                                                                .
                                                                                                                Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                                                                Rochard

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                                                                                                                  • TheSquealer
                                                                                                                    Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                                                                    • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                    • 26181
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by ThunderBalls
                                                                                                                    Tell that to your right wing buddies who keep crying that high taxes are pushing businesses out of CA in droves.
                                                                                                                    Would be cool to live in LA and watch them shoot Breaking Bad.... but you can't since they have to shoot it in New Mexico because of obscene taxes and unions in LA and California.
                                                                                                                    .
                                                                                                                    Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                                                                    Rochard

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                                                                                                                      • L-Pink
                                                                                                                        working on my tan
                                                                                                                        • Mar 2005
                                                                                                                        • 39151
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                                                        It began as the housing market was heating up and getting out of control. Washington, Oregon and Vegas and other places were being flooded with wealthy Californians who could sell their shitbox McMansion for $5,000,000 in Palo Alto or where ever and buy a $1,000,000.00 McMansion in Seattle suburbs that was bigger and still have $4,000,000 in the bank. This all was probably most obvious to those around banking/finance/real estate/mortgages. There was a time in 06/07/08 where it was completely unreal how many Californians were buying property in Oregon and Washington and the impact they were having on the housing market and prices.
                                                                                                                        A good friend of mine, my best man twice, had a small software consulting company and lived in Marina Del Rey. He sold his house for more than 3 million, bought a nicer house in Ft Walton Beach Florida for under I million. Folded his California Corporation, restarted his business with a Florida corp saving over 10% yearly in taxes and is happier than hell to be out of California.

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                                                                                                                          • ThunderBalls
                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                            • 2926
                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                                                            Would be cool to live in LA and watch them shoot Breaking Bad.... but you can't since they have to shoot it in New Mexico because of obscene taxes and unions in LA and California.

                                                                                                                            Just to make sure I understand, if a CA corporation does work in New Mexico or any other state they do not have to pay any state income taxes on their profit? Is that what you're saying?

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                                                                                                                              • mineistaken
                                                                                                                                See signature :)
                                                                                                                                • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                • 29656
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by ThunderBalls
                                                                                                                                Tell that to your right wing buddies who keep crying that high taxes are pushing businesses out of CA in droves.
                                                                                                                                Like I said:

                                                                                                                                CA with better taxation keeps and attracts more businesses than CA with worse taxation. Thats a fact. So no need to tell them anything. Well, maybe not in droves, but it has influence.

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                                                                                                                                  • ThunderBalls
                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 2926
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                                                    Like I said:

                                                                                                                                    CA with better taxation keeps and attracts more businesses than CA with worse taxation. Thats a fact. So no need to tell them anything. Well, maybe not in droves, but it has influence.
                                                                                                                                    This fact is based on what data?

                                                                                                                                    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics California was 3rd in the country for job growth between Dec 2011 and Dec 2012. The average for the entire country was 1.9% growth and CA came in at 3.3%.

                                                                                                                                    I'm not saying higher taxes are a good thing but this argument that it causes businesses to pack up and leave is bunk.

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                                                                                                                                      • mineistaken
                                                                                                                                        See signature :)
                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                        • 29656
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by ThunderBalls
                                                                                                                                        This fact is based on what data?

                                                                                                                                        According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics California was 3rd in the country for job growth between Dec 2011 and Dec 2012. The average for the entire country was 1.9% growth and CA came in at 3.3%.

                                                                                                                                        I'm not saying higher taxes are a good thing but this argument that it causes businesses to pack up and leave is bunk.
                                                                                                                                        Dude..............
                                                                                                                                        For the third time:

                                                                                                                                        a) CA with better taxation for business
                                                                                                                                        b) CA with worse taxation for business

                                                                                                                                        a would attract more businesses than b, a would keep more businesses than b. Thats simple logical fact.

                                                                                                                                        If b provides growth (as you suggest) then a would provide even bigger growth.
                                                                                                                                        How difficult is it to grasp?

                                                                                                                                        Even Lpink gave you an example of one business that closed door and now is enjoying better taxes in another state. Not saying this particular example was solely due to taxation (because he speaks about cheaper house as well), but there definitely were a number of businesses that left for greener pastures. Thats such a simple thing to understand.
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                                                                                                                                          • ThunderBalls
                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 2926
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                                                            Dude..............
                                                                                                                                            For the third time:

                                                                                                                                            a) CA with better taxation for business
                                                                                                                                            b) CA with worse taxation for business

                                                                                                                                            a would attract more businesses than b, a would keep more businesses than b. Thats simple logical fact.

                                                                                                                                            If b provides growth (as you suggest) then a would provide even bigger growth.
                                                                                                                                            How difficult is it to grasp?
                                                                                                                                            Once again, facts are not originated with something you think you know or heard, its based on hard data for which you have provided none of.

                                                                                                                                            Go setup a sandwich shop in Santa Monica and setup another one in Casper Wyoming (where there is zero corporate tax, cheaper rent, labor, etc) and tell me which is more profitable when all is said and done.

                                                                                                                                            There's a reason why taxes and real estate are cheaper in certain parts of the country, because nobody wants to fucking live there which means you have less of a customer base which means less profit. Its simple economics.

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                                                                                                                                              • Magnetron
                                                                                                                                                Lord High Groundhog
                                                                                                                                                • Jun 2013
                                                                                                                                                • 1841
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                                                                Dude..............
                                                                                                                                                For the third time:

                                                                                                                                                a) CA with better taxation for business
                                                                                                                                                b) CA with worse taxation for business

                                                                                                                                                a would attract more businesses than b, a would keep more businesses than b. Thats simple logical fact.

                                                                                                                                                If b provides growth (as you suggest) then a would provide even bigger growth.
                                                                                                                                                How difficult is it to grasp?
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by ThunderBalls
                                                                                                                                                Once again, facts are not originated with something you think you know or heard, its based on hard data for which you have provided none of.
                                                                                                                                                If I paid you $16 hourly to flip hamburgers, as opposed to $8 hourly - you would have twice as much money and I would have less profit. You would be able to afford more necessities and I would be have less money for luxuries. The combined amount of taxes we would pay would go towards projects other than funding welfare programs that you would be applying for if I was paying you $8 hourly, and if this was the case, I would then have little choice but to refer to you as a broke fucking moron loser for choosing to work for me instead of someone else willing to give you valuable on the job training skills that would secure you a $24 to $48 hourly wage in the future. What this boils down to is, you are only valuable to me and society if you make no more than $8 hourly and can live without any public financial aid.

                                                                                                                                                See?

                                                                                                                                                You don't always need hard statistical data to prove something.
                                                                                                                                                Last edited by Magnetron; 09-15-2013, 12:59 PM.
                                                                                                                                                .
                                                                                                                                                Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                                                                                                                                                and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                                                                                                                                                While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                                                                                                                                                with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                                                                                                                                                you stood for
                                                                                                                                                ever before the window saying
                                                                                                                                                nothing

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                                                                                                                                                  • Magnetron
                                                                                                                                                    Lord High Groundhog
                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2013
                                                                                                                                                    • 1841
                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                                                                                                    It's the cheap ass AMERICAN CONSUMER that dictates a low wage not business.

                                                                                                                                                    American consumers don't care manufacturing jobs moved to China or they would insist on buying "made in America" labeled goods at slightly higher prices. They don't.

                                                                                                                                                    If there is a demand for something American business would fill it. If a fast food owner opened a location guaranteeing $15 an hour and great benefits per entry level worker he would be out of business in 6 months.

                                                                                                                                                    The same people whining here about low wages would be to cheap to pay the higher food prices and shop at the cheaper restaurants. American consumers are all about price and not about pride in quality. Why do you think the largest retailer in the country is fucking walmart. American consumers don't care their clothes are made in sweat shops. American consumers don't care their Christmas ornaments are made by 10 year old children locked in dirt floored rooms. They sure as shit don't care about the person flipping a burger.


                                                                                                                                                    .
                                                                                                                                                    Getting merchandise for cheap, putting it all under one roof and using it to lure in droves of potential consumers to expose to other cheap products.

                                                                                                                                                    Sure sounds awfully familiar.

                                                                                                                                                    http://m2.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1119567

                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                                                                                    Lets make a list of all the companies that saw lasting, enduring success by clinging to the past, ignoring the present realities, ignoring change, ignoring the future and ignoring the consumer and his patterns, behaviors and expectations.

                                                                                                                                                    I'll add all the ones that come to mind first!

                                                                                                                                                    1)..................................?


                                                                                                                                                    .
                                                                                                                                                    Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                                                                                                                                                    and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                                                                                                                                                    While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                                                                                                                                                    with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                                                                                                                                                    you stood for
                                                                                                                                                    ever before the window saying
                                                                                                                                                    nothing

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                                                                                                                                                      • L-Pink
                                                                                                                                                        working on my tan
                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2005
                                                                                                                                                        • 39151
                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        It's so obvious who here has ever employed entry level minimum wage workers and who hasn't. Fucking hilarious.

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                                                                                                                                                          • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                            Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                            • 42635
                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                                                                                                            It's so obvious who here has ever employed entry level minimum wage workers and who hasn't. Fucking hilarious.
                                                                                                                                                            Agreed.

                                                                                                                                                            These threads tend to reinforce those who both have money to their name, as well as experience as a business owner. By that I mean, they know the true costs of running a business versus those clownshoes and Utopian dreamers who are more than happy to give away everyone else's money for the sake of being "fair". It's priceless comedy to be sure.

                                                                                                                                                            Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                                                                            Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                                                                            Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                                            "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                                              • Magnetron
                                                                                                                                                                Lord High Groundhog
                                                                                                                                                                • Jun 2013
                                                                                                                                                                • 1841
                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                These threads tend to reinforce those who both have money to their name, as well as experience as a business owner. By that I mean, they know the true costs of running a business versus those clownshoes and Utopian dreamers who are more than happy to give away everyone else's money for the sake of being "fair". It's priceless comedy to be sure.
                                                                                                                                                                Well, I know for a fact that I never suggested anything about giving away everyone else's money for the sake of being "fair". That would be like saying I wholeheartedly support a tax increase upon everyone to be used to fund welfare programs, which would be a very stooopid thing on anyone else's behalf to suggest.

                                                                                                                                                                So far, I've heard grumbling from Barefootsies from the very start of this thread, but most of it has come from that peculiar Squealer fellow who feels that raising the minimim wage will cheat him out of already acceptable low priced goods and services available at those places where minimum wage earners usually work. Places like Burger King. Wal-Mart. You know, those establishments frequented by a culture of cheap asses who wouldn't know something Made In U.S.A. if it bit them in the ass that L-Pink so passionately despises.

                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                                                                                                                It's so obvious who here has ever employed entry level minimum wage workers and who hasn't. Fucking hilarious.
                                                                                                                                                                Which is weird, because I get mixed signals about his passion for the Wal-mart Business model that thrives on cutting corners and taking shortcuts for sake of maximizing profits.

                                                                                                                                                                Life isn't fair, you said so yourself and I'm not the one complaining. I'm actually having fun pointing out some ridiculous aspects of the ongoing topic.

                                                                                                                                                                Looking forward to another topic like this one. It was a real hoot.
                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by Magnetron; 09-16-2013, 10:33 AM.
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                                                                                                                                                                Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                                                                                                                                                                and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                                                                                                                                                                While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                                                                                                                                                                with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                                                                                                                                                                you stood for
                                                                                                                                                                ever before the window saying
                                                                                                                                                                nothing

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 20960
                                                                                                                                                                    #141
                                                                                                                                                                    Another pic of Whopper Floppers:
                                                                                                                                                                    -Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                    ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Magnetron
                                                                                                                                                                        Lord High Groundhog
                                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2013
                                                                                                                                                                        • 1841
                                                                                                                                                                        #142
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                        Another pic of Whopper Floppers:
                                                                                                                                                                        Robbie, thanks for making another actual and rather substantial contribution to the topic ..... unlike some other posters and topic starters.
                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by Magnetron; 09-16-2013, 10:52 AM.
                                                                                                                                                                        .
                                                                                                                                                                        Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                                                                                                                                                                        and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                                                                                                                                                                        While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                                                                                                                                                                        with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                                                                                                                                                                        you stood for
                                                                                                                                                                        ever before the window saying
                                                                                                                                                                        nothing

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                            • 20960
                                                                                                                                                                            #143
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Magnetron
                                                                                                                                                                            Robbie, thanks for making another actual and rather substantial contribution to the topic ..... unlike some other posters and topic starters.
                                                                                                                                                                            heh-heh, I do what I can, I do what I can...
                                                                                                                                                                            -Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                                                                                              • TheSquealer
                                                                                                                                                                                Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                • 26181
                                                                                                                                                                                #144
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                                                                                                                                A good friend of mine, my best man twice, had a small software consulting company and lived in Marina Del Rey. He sold his house for more than 3 million, bought a nicer house in Ft Walton Beach Florida for under I million. Folded his California Corporation, restarted his business with a Florida corp saving over 10% yearly in taxes and is happier than hell to be out of California.
                                                                                                                                                                                Everyone I knew in Seattle that was in mortgages and banking or real estate was overwhelmed with a flood of CA clients. This is largely why Washington did so well even through the worst of the down times. Its a really surreal time. ... er... i mean, apparently it didn't happen?
                                                                                                                                                                                .
                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                                                                                                                                                Rochard

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Magnetron
                                                                                                                                                                                    Lord High Groundhog
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2013
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 1841
                                                                                                                                                                                    #145
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                                    heh-heh, I do what I can, I do what I can...
                                                                                                                                                                                    Keep up the good work, Mate!

                                                                                                                                                                                    .
                                                                                                                                                                                    Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                                                                                                                                                                                    and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                                                                                                                                                                                    While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                                                                                                                                                                                    with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                                                                                                                                                                                    you stood for
                                                                                                                                                                                    ever before the window saying
                                                                                                                                                                                    nothing

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • signupdamnit
                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 6697
                                                                                                                                                                                        #146
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                        Agreed.

                                                                                                                                                                                        These threads tend to reinforce those who both have money to their name, as well as experience as a business owner. By that I mean, they know the true costs of running a business versus those clownshoes and Utopian dreamers who are more than happy to give away everyone else's money for the sake of being "fair". It's priceless comedy to be sure.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Actually it's usually accepted among most level headed and objective people that if one party has to constantly resort to insults or ad hominem attacks that it means they are unable to debate the topic properly and they have probably ran out of facts. Thus the tendency to resort to the insults and other logical fallacies.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Also I have to point out that talking big on the internet and insulting people left and right doesn't really prove that you are richer or more successful than anyone else. In fact usually it means the exact opposite as I have observed. You don't see a lot of successful people calling people burger floppers online and talking about being able to buy and sell people 100 times over. There is a reason for that. OTOH lots of people desperately try to be someone online that they are not in real life. Not that the size of your pocketbook means you have all the facts any more so than anyone else. That's another fallacy called argument from authority.

                                                                                                                                                                                        You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Magnetron
                                                                                                                                                                                            Lord High Groundhog
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2013
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 1841
                                                                                                                                                                                            #147
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by L-Pink

                                                                                                                                                                                            It's the cheap ass AMERICAN CONSUMER that dictates a low wage not business.

                                                                                                                                                                                            American consumers don't care manufacturing jobs moved to China or they would insist on buying "made in America" labeled goods at slightly higher prices. They don't.

                                                                                                                                                                                            If there is a demand for something American business would fill it. If a fast food owner opened a location guaranteeing $15 an hour and great benefits per entry level worker he would be out of business in 6 months.

                                                                                                                                                                                            The same people whining here about low wages would be to cheap to pay the higher food prices and shop at the cheaper restaurants. American consumers are all about price and not about pride in quality. Why do you think the largest retailer in the country is fucking walmart. American consumers don't care their clothes are made in sweat shops. American consumers don't care their Christmas ornaments are made by 10 year old children locked in dirt floored rooms. They sure as shit don't care about the person flipping a burger.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I welcome a chain operation like Wal-Mart selling Made In U.S.A. goods. Even if the cost was higher. There aren't many stores to choose from out in the middle of Nowheresville where I live. Wally World has some kind of 10 year / 50 Billion dollar plan in effect to get more of such merchandise on the shelves, but that is fraction of what the chain sellls in a year and 10 years is a long ass time to wait.

                                                                                                                                                                                            The food at Texas Roadhouse is a helluva lot more closer to the farm raised meats that I'm used to. I rarely frequent fast food joints.

                                                                                                                                                                                            And I can't really fathom anyone buying Christmas ornaments, unless they are in the habit of pitching them in the garbage every year for the last 50 years.
                                                                                                                                                                                            .
                                                                                                                                                                                            Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                                                                                                                                                                                            and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                                                                                                                                                                                            While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                                                                                                                                                                                            with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                                                                                                                                                                                            you stood for
                                                                                                                                                                                            ever before the window saying
                                                                                                                                                                                            nothing

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Magnetron
                                                                                                                                                                                                Lord High Groundhog
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Jun 2013
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 1841
                                                                                                                                                                                                #148
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                                Agreed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                These threads tend to reinforce those who both have money to their name, as well as experience as a business owner. By that I mean, they know the true costs of running a business versus those clownshoes and Utopian dreamers who are more than happy to give away everyone else's money for the sake of being "fair". It's priceless comedy to be sure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                                                                                                                                                                                Actually it's usually accepted among most level headed and objective people that if one party has to constantly resort to insults or ad hominem attacks that it means they are unable to debate the topic properly and they have probably ran out of facts. Thus the tendency to resort to the insults and other logical fallacies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Also I have to point out that talking big on the internet and insulting people left and right doesn't really prove that you are richer or more successful than anyone else. In fact usually it means the exact opposite as I have observed. You don't see a lot of successful people calling people burger floppers online and talking about being able to buy and sell people 100 times over. There is a reason for that. OTOH lots of people desperately try to be someone online that they are not in real life. Not that the size of your pocketbook means you have all the facts any more so than anyone else. That's another fallacy called argument from authority.
                                                                                                                                                                                                And fellows like Squealer get mad when you flake out like that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                                                                                                                                                You keep using the word "troll" and cling to the concept of "being trolled" which implies some sort of superiority on your part as if you actually have any purpose or point or argument, which you don't. Since you aren't smart enough to hold your own ground, you have to cling to this fabricated notion that you are somehow on the high ground as it is. Troll.... The use of that word is the final refuge of an intellectual lightweight. That's because you - though quite dumb, are smart enough to at least recognize that intellectually you are outgunned. You dodge the substance of the argument because you have to. Would end up being quite embarrassing for you if you didn't.
                                                                                                                                                                                                .
                                                                                                                                                                                                Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                                                                                                                                                                                                and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                                                                                                                                                                                                While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                                                                                                                                                                                                with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                                                                                                                                                                                                you stood for
                                                                                                                                                                                                ever before the window saying
                                                                                                                                                                                                nothing

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • L-Pink
                                                                                                                                                                                                    working on my tan
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 39151
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Magnetron

                                                                                                                                                                                                    And I can't really fathom anyone buying Christmas ornaments, unless they are in the habit of pitching them in the garbage every year for the last 50 years.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    You are missing my point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Most of the same cheap, price is everything American consumers that bitch about burger flippers not making $15 an hour are the same people that in the name of "savings" don't bat an eye when their cheap products are made by slaves in other countries.


                                                                                                                                                                                                    Here is an example of cheap foreign produced goods ????.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Police and child advocates broke padlocks and busted down doors in a surprise raid of a sweatshop in India, only to find a group of children imprisoned who had been forced to make Christmas decorations.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    The children were kept in rooms approximately six feet by six feet and had been forced to work up to 19-hour days making the decorations, which advocates believe may have been intended to be sold on the cheap in the United States.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Human rights group Global March for Children led the raid, but also got help from former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who now serves as the United Nations special envoy for global education."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • media
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed Moneymaker
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 9853
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #150
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by bossku69
                                                                                                                                                                                                        CA has always had a higher minimum wage because people believe the BS of "living in California cost more." Nonsense!

                                                                                                                                                                                                        This will only open the door to MORE taxes for those people... so you theoretically make more, but at the end, it will probably be the same amount
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Exactly... They'll bump up into another bracket potentially..

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Also another problem.. The cost of food will also now go up.. When they raised the minimum wage from $8.80 to $8.95 this year in Oregon the price of food went up all across the board.. Example.. one fast food Mexican restaurant raised their cost up $0.10 per burrito and explained that it was due to the cost of minimum wage going up on a flyer they posted on the counter.. BULLSHIT!!! your 5 employees working cost you an additional $0.75 per hour.. that's an extra $6.00 per 8 hour shift for all staff.. and you're raising your prices to the point that you'll probably make an extra $5-10 an hour or $40-80 per 8 hour shift.. this is just bullshit imo and pure greed.. and should not be allowed.. people need to be allowed to catch up not get pushed further behind..
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by media; 09-16-2013, 01:02 PM.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm here for the violence!

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