Marijuana dispensary opens up next door....

Yeah eek... People are helping sick people somebody must put their foot down now and stop this shit.

I really appreciate any reasonable input as for this issue.

As I mentioned it is something that I ONLY know from my OWN experience. I know many people that turned into a totally bone dumbheads just by smoking pot.. alcohol doesn't do this unless you abuse it for 10 years every day or so, then you become a dumbhead.. but marijuana is the safe way..

If someone is from Jamaica, I don't give a shit if he is a seriuous pot smoker, if someone is from my place, I don't give a shit if he is a serious alcohol abuser, but I don't want a society that is praising one drug over others...

That's damn sick, no drugs are good and even we all abuse them, it's no fuckin reason to push ANY drugs.. no reason at all..

No pothead has any right in the world to persuade the others about how great it is...

As far as it's a saturday, give me another chance to make a total idiot of you..

I will kind of enjoy that, it's fun.

Noiceeeeeee

pot fags are like flaming homosexuals and derive a form of psuedo identity by flaunting their use of cannabis in a desperate and pathetic semblance of dope sponsored semantic rhetoric in an feeble attempt to identify or bind with other weak minded losers capitalizing on a common ground in which they inflate the validity of the use of a substance that need not be glorified but rather consumed without fanfare

don't be a pot fag

And this coming from someone who proudly brags about his alcohol abuse on GFY?

You are a fucking hypocrite, a troll and a moron.

Congratulations!

No, I just made a total idiot out of you in the other thread so the only way you survive is to shout with your keyboard..

Well in other words, there are thousands of drugs in the world, but only potheads always brag about how great their drug is..

You won't find a coker or a fucking alcoholic praise his thing, but there is always the pothead around the corner to tell you that:

1) I am a dumb motherfucker but because I smoke pot I must be way more intelligent than you so listen to my theories
2) it's HEALTHY
3) it's HARMLESS
4) you don't understand that this is the best way to be

Ok, so here we are, in the year 2008 - we are seriously fighting against alcohol and cigarettes cause it's expensive to cure, but we LOVE to get high, we love to watch the coffee machine and speak about the mysteries of the universe.

That's just about what is happening.

Now tell me, is there anything I haven't mentioned yet?

Nothing wrong with speaking about the mysteries of the universe, it has afterall been what propells mankind.

As for watching the coffee machine which I have seen you reference several times... Who is your dealer?
Seriously pot does not lend itself to visuals or interest in visuals. Sure one may stare off into space while contemplating something, however that is very different than watching or talking to the coffee maker.

so again
1. Please stop lumping users in together.
2. It is healthier than many alternatives.
3. It is about as harmless as anything taken in moderation can possibly be.
4. Most of us could care less if others used it or did not use it, we primarly only care if others attempt to push their choices on us and keep it illegal or claim it has no medical uses nor warrants medical study.

Alcoholics yell about how great beer is all the time, even in public places.

You are right, I am speaking only from my own experience and I never stated that what I speak about was ever a subject of research or whatever.

Now, what really pisses me off, what is the reason I went on this totally desperate crusade to fight with the wind mills?

Why? Why can't I just leave the contemplating stoners behind the keyboard to live their life?

Again, the point of drugs is not to be healthy, the point of drugs is not it to be harmless..

You abuse drugs for getting high and you pay the price, you always pay the price, so noone in the world will ever persuade me that there is a drug where you DON'T pay the price...

Ok now it's time for the shocking truth:

I TRIED the shit like three times in my life:

1) once I have seen both of my hemispheres like on a thermometer
2) second time I haven't felt my body, I was just a floating head
3) third time, I watched the fireplace for about 30 minutes beeing it the most intense thing I ever seen in my life

NOW this is NOT how I ever imagine to have FUN.

This is the point, I am a really bad person, I am really bad what concerns having fun with my mates, when I get down to it, it's always bad, but there is always the SOCIAL aspect, there are people, you communicate to them, you have laughs that are based on something that you can laugh at, you actually have something to remember and it doesn't disqualify you from the society..

Not everyone is capable of having fun, as testified here.. by stoned morons..

Yes, but if they will annoy you for hours about how great it is and how important for their life is to get drunk.. you will never justify that, but you justify that with weed.

Actually, I suppose having to talk about your habit is one of the things that makes you addict.. and after all, ADDICT is the key word we talk about..

You can't spell it, either

Noone has spouted such idiocy since MINUSONEBIT. You are taking a strong charge at unseating him as the biggest dumb ass in GFY history.

Funny the only thing you can do is s-cow-er my posts for spelling errors because you cannot refute what I write. Keep smoking your cig-er-ets you fucking nick-o-tine junkie.

keep telling everyone how great cigarettes are.

Let's quit the sunday's fun not to damage the precious reputation of this place. Let's show some class and let's be politically correct, let's show some respect to our minors..

Once again, in short, WHY AM I SO BAD KARMA OVER REACTING GUY ON THIS ISSUE:

- we have two accepted drugs in our culture, we ain't at Jamaica or Peru to smoke weed or chew coca (can't spell it), although weed is becoming widespread and accepted

- it's alcohol, still a very popular social drug, a long term use (usually 5 - 10 years of serious consumation) can lead to an addiction, it's also damn bad for your liver and it's pretty expensive to cure those who are seriously damaged by alcohol, the promotion and accesibility of alcohol is restricted by government by age

- it's cigarettes which doesn't cause any side effects, but that are really bad for your lungs and cause addiction, they also in generally suck in taste if you don't buy the US originals.. the promotion and accesibility of cigarettes is restricted by government by age

- we have succesfully imported another drug that's becoming fairly popular and accepted, it resonated with its audience lke never before and it's not tough to get it, it's also not expensive - its name is cannabis.

Among side effects are loss of short term memory, as far as it's not spoken about it's also very simple to get used to it and even it's hard to testify I have never met a serious pot smoker that would ever be the same again.. the accesibility of marijuana is criminalized

There is no way back so I will not ask if we really NEED a new overally accepted and accessible drug..

Now let's think for a second, why do cigarettes and alcohol kill so many people? They are ACCESSIBLE and ACCEPTED

Ok now I will not use the dictionary of the government and will remain correct, weed won't be killing people anytime soon... it really won't

The question is, how to cope with a new drug that's incredibly in vogue, that already created a certain subcommunity of its followers, almost a cult following - as we can see from the flaming in here, it's the CULT OF CANNABIS.

Marijuana is the only drug from these three that may rapidly change the way your associations may look like, affects your overall concentration, short term memory etc. so you don't need to be under a direct influence and it still directly affects your brain.

You won't behave like crazy if you had a couple of beers a week ago, but you might have trouble if you smoke a lot of weed over the past six months.. so not only this affects your brain, but those effects are also not temporary, I remember a guy who stopped to smoke weed and for a decent time he still was not a company you would like to meet for a decent talk and his associations were way over the top, about at the level of a 12 year old kid.

And to remain correct again, it's people who have it prescribed by a doctor so let's leave those out too, it's also people who moderate their abuse.

But BRAIN is what we speak about here all the time, anything that can damage the half of the brain that's left in me is immediately my enemy, we are living in a tough world.

If you are dumb someone will immediately eat you for his breakfeast, so anything that affects our miserable brains is unnaceptable for me. Maybe a stoner population will be easier to manipulate, I can't judge this.

Now this is all I can say about this issue, and forgive me if I haven't resisted the temptation to troll it up a little bit.

You could actually see After Shock Media, now that's the guy I like, I do enjoy bumping into this guy, this guy would be very tough to beat in a discussion.

Most of the pissers that are a true blood of this place usually attack you without using a single cell in the rest of their brains, trying to piss you with totally unrelated statements or silly pics, so it's also kind of easy to ignore or once upon a time even respond, if you want to have a little bit of pissing fun..

I hope you had the same fun as I had, I hope I haven't wasted my time for nothing.

Thanks!

Man, so much of what you just posted is so much bullshit i wont even take the time to dissect it. Keep telling yourself that the reason cigarettes and alcohol are more dangerous is because they are accepted. LOL

Well, It's actually not that hard to figure it out but again, as I metioned it takes a little bit of brain, which is in many cases the problem on this politically correct board with elite and distincted audience.

- what's the ratio between heroin overdoses and lung cancer?

Now let's take If you could buy heroine on every other corner and it would become in vogue, everyone would shoot it and it will be 100x more users, will that mean the same amount of overdoses as it's now?

Why all the hate for stoners?

Nobody is forcing pot on anyone. I don't like cigarettes, but I don't go around telling people they should quit either or that it's bad for them.

Ever hear of methadone clinics? They are on lots of corners. You must not have known too many real drug addicts.

from this page

You can get a week's worth of the stuff, and stay loaded for days on a couple bucks. Its a government program.

If smokers can have their cigarettes, and drunks can have their booze, and junkies can have their methadone, I want my thc. That is all.

indeed...

That's right I am afraid I am a little bit old school, which apparently is the difference between me and "notoldschool"

Interesting link by the way, thanks!

What a bunch of fucking idiots...

wait until they find out they have a dirty pornographer next to their store

;)

Wow, i've never really heard anyone have those sorts of effects from smoking weed.

I've known really "scared to smoke weed" types having that experience.

If you are scared to go on a roller coaster, and then you hop on, you might throw up too.

Please show me where I said that cigarettes were great. In fact, please show me where I ever said that I *smoked* cigarettes.

BTW...Ron Paul has dropped out of the race - you may want to change your sig.

Dude this is not all, I can remember yet another thing from the fireplace evening:

I was 18 and tough as hell as an 18 guy can be.. it was my mates 18th birthday and we had a HUGE cottage rented for that evening, maybe 40 people turned up and about 12 overslept there.

Since one of the guys smoking weed told us once by the breakfest, all of a sudden that he feels like a "baboon" it was never good to be associated with weed anymore, only a very few people smoked that and they were immediately marked as "baboons".

Of course I was tough and telling the dudes who smoked marijuana that it DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO ME...

Now what happened was that four guys jumped on me (I was a really strong bastard working out a lot at that time) and the fifth one sticked a MASSIVE PIPE with the toughest piece of shit in it to my mouth, I inhaled exactly three times...

After a 15 minutes I realized I actually need to piss, I kind of figured out that I will have to stand up from my chair and go to take a piss.. I did that and when I am returning back, now listen what happened..

There was this very intense looking guy, imagine someone with head in the shape of a beer can, incredibly narrow with this HUGE ears... and this guy sit on my chair - the only chair that was free, how can a goddamn alien creature like this sit in your chair?

I assume my reactions were totally over the top and I started to yell at him to get the fuck out, I would never did that but it just happened as I was intoxicated, he got scared to death and most probably becuase he also smoke that night, he immediately run out of the doors and dissapeared in woods, this very intense looking scene made me outburst with laugh... exactly for about 30 minutes..

After I intensely stared into the fireplace and it kind of wore out, I told to myself, damn dude you had no control over yourself, you totally owned yourself in front of your mates, you really can't smoke this shit...

You have quite the imagination.

You're missing the point (at least of most of the thread) - there isn't hate for stoners. There's disdain for stoners who feel they have to repeatedly:
1. Proclaim loud and long how safe pot is, how fabulous it is, and how superior they are to people who don't smoke.
2. Proclaim how sensational it is to be a stoner and make it almost a "cult" experience with their constant conversation ("It's 420, man!") and posts (we don't need to constantly see photos of bongs and piles of weed).

If people like to smoke, fine. If people like to drink, fine. If people like to smoke cigarettes, fine. You just don't see cigarette smokers or most drinkers making it the centerpiece of their public identity. THAT's what's annoying.

Umm..thats because weed is illegal and those are not. Havent you figured that out yet.

You hit it!

I don't care what you smoke, snort, drink, shoot to get high unless you are cool and do not annoy me.. even it's a total waste of time I even tried to make a point here.

(well after my initial pissing off, I just couldn't resist.. )

Of course, the very intense "Baboon" experience haven't helped in forming my attitude towards weed too..

looks like you just became the new target of our our common matey..

That's quite an experience. I didn't say it couldn't happen, but I never heard about anyone having a reaction that bad. Perhaps it caused some sort of hypertensive reaction in you and a panic type state which definitely sounds more plausible.

Um carlos once again you have fallen to propaganda, I do understand your trivial argument but please try to refrain from using bad science to do it.

For instance the side effect you mentioned of loss of short term memory. This has been long debunked and the only time you loose your short term memory is when you are under the influence of it, when you are no longer under the influence your short term memory returns to normal. Same goes with concentration and other matters related to your brain.

What I still find funny is people are often quoting the same shit that was spread about in the mid to late thirties. From the very same people who claimed to inject THC into an animals brain (years before they knew how to extract it) and also those who swore in front of congress that they grew wings and flew.

As for your cigarettes have no side effects as a former smoker and someone who has no issues with someone who does smoke may I remind you of the following.
Erectile dysfunction issues.
Loss/decrease in taste/smell.
Slows down the healing process of the body.
Physical and mental addiction.

If you want to bash a natural drug that is more commonly used than marijuana, tobacco, and even alcohol why not start in on aspirin. Specially since it can be OD'd on. Is very damn dangerous to those that are young. Has a large number of possible side effects. Plus would never be allowed to be prescribed let alone sold over the counter by the FDA if it was discovered in the past 10 years.

This thread is giving me munchies...

So are meth and crack - but I don't see lots of people going out of their way to wear T-shirts with pictures or rocks or crystal on them, posting numerous threads with photos of crack pipes or meth labs --- or making meth or crack the centerpiece of their online persona.

And I think I'm done here.

But if I had posted a photo of a pot plant instead, I'd be all good with him - interesting, no?

You are of course right about the tobacco but I more meant it's nothing that would really disqualify you from common life or had psychological effects on you ..

As for any medical studies on cannabis, again I read something about it only when we needed to get rid of a programmer that got high at work and caused a lot of mess and needed an evidence... the rest is my very bad subjective experience with anyone who smoked pot in my environment.

I have seen far too many people with say very "limited" ways to communicate after abusing this, and I knew them before so I know they were not idiots.

Like living with their old grandmother in a flat and not leaving their room, planting a cannabis in their room, plus of course the "baboon" was the ultimate experience that definitely persuaded me that this is not the way I would ever want to behave..

Wait your persona is based on cigs, banner has them ect.
I also see plenty of t-shirts promoting everything from acid to club drugs.
Persona wise again you can find those in all types from cigs, acid, club, marijuana, and plenty when it comes to alcohol.

We also do see pictures of say cocaine posted now dont we?

Though I think those who would be playing with crystal or crack very well may understand it would not come off that well as typically both of those associate you with unreliable, untrustworthy, and willing to sell your daughter type issues.

Carlos as with any substance or hell even video game there are some personality types that do not mix with them. I do not care if they first meet up with pot, alcohol, sugar, or world of warcraft. They will be useless brain dead drains on society that get nothing done aside from advocate their usage, talk about their usage, share their usage, associate with other users, and have as little to do with the outside world beyond their needs.

I have met people who seemingly became alcoholics from their first drink and on the flip side I have met people who have no problem doing recreational drugs as strong as heroin without any issues and are able to stop at will.

Your stories are so fucking far fetched, it amazes me.

Did you hear about this? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080309/.../pharmawater_i

Story almost makes me think it was either laced or happened to of been sprayed by some of those oh so helpful chemical pesticides that the US government is using yet have not developed the required markers for.

I wouldn't be able to put that better.

So do I,

my point is, basically, that I dissagree with what is my impression from LOCAL media lately.

That one of the drugs is becoming in vogue and it's cool to be associated with it, young dudes and yuppies don't even eat or drink much anymore, becuase they would put up weight and couldn't wear their Dolce n Gabbana boxers ...but they smoke weed.

What's worse is, that out there has to be always someone, waiting for ME, to feed me with the worst bullshit a sick mind can put together - the "Baboon" types.

If they will ever start to respect my basic human right not to listen to bullshit I will be glad to respect their right to smoke weed, with any personal experience in the world and any opinion about it.

If we take this conversation to a much higher level:

1) is any Dutch guy out here? what's the result of legalization?
2) does marijuana mixed with alcohol have different effects?

Let's leave the trolling for trolls.

I can send you a link to a personal blog of the stoner programmer guy, damn that was some SERIOUS CONTEMPLATING...

Emmanuel Kant between Baboons..

Wonder when we'll get them here

I see the problem, you meant thought we were talking about cigarettes, alchohol, and prescription drugs.

you see the problem but I don't see your point...

Lucky you