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You're alluding to dress codes and common-sense social conduct which I should point out, apply to everyone. They're not going to let shirtless white people in but refuse unshirted blacks. The rule applies to everyone. See how that works?Bullshit. She is running PRIVATE venture and reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Ever see that on the door of 7-11 or a restaurant? Imagine some porn star in see thru shirt and ass hanging out of her daisy dukes in Chucke-E-Chees? She'll be shown where the door is pretty damn fast. Why stop at gay wedding? How about some swinger shit where every guest comes naked and bangs the bride later on.
They're not saying "We reserve the right to serve only whites".
What will be your next deluded point be? Let me guess: "What do you mean I can't shit on the floor and fling my shit around? IS THIS NAZI GERMANY?"
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BUT, she's not refusing to shoot gays, just a Gay wedding ?Bullshit. She is running PRIVATE venture and reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Ever see that on the door of 7-11 or a restaurant? Imagine some porn star in see thru shirt and ass hanging out of her daisy dukes in Chucke-E-Chees? She'll be shown where the door is pretty damn fast. Why stop at gay wedding? How about some swinger shit where every guest comes naked and bangs the bride later on.
and as far as this goes, bring it on, I'll shoot it
How about some swinger shit where every guest comes naked and bangs the bride later on.
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How is that any different? You don't come to a Jewish celebration with bag of pork rinds and pass them out to the kids. You are running PRIVATE VENTURE (!!!!!) and if you believe filming gay wedding is against you beliefs, contentiousness and rules of conduct tell them to fuck off. You are not government employee or salvation army. You are private business! if I don't want to see some red neck with cow semen on his steel toe boots or nig with pants around his ankles, or hells angels boys - its my fucking business. Not NAACP or GLT or what ever their name are.You're alluding to dress codes and common-sense social conduct which I should point out, apply to everyone. They're not going to let shirtless white people in but refuse unshirted blacks. The rule applies to everyone. See how that works?
They're not saying "We reserve the right to serve only whites".
What will be your next deluded point be? Let me guess: "What do you mean I can't shit on the floor and fling my shit around? IS THIS NAZI GERMANY?"
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I already addressed that specific point
but just in case clicking that link is too much effort, and by the strenght of your arguments it clearly is, here is the gist of it:
So you see, even though she's running a "private business!" she can't simply pick and choose which rules and regulations she's going to follow.Originally posted by fetish gimp
Just like YOU or I can't.
For example, you could say "fuck taxes, gubirmint spending MAH MONEE letting fags and dykes marry ruining strait marrege's holeeness" but the law specifies that one must pay taxes and if you disregard the law then there are consequences to that.
This has nothing to do with personal beliefs, it has to do with THE LAW. You run a business, you have to follow certain rules. And anti-discriminatory regulations are part of those rules.
And as I also posted, her mistake was lacking business sense and telling those people "I can't do your wedding because you fags" instead of "I can't do your wedding because I'm already booked".
This is basic business sense.
I have turned down clients that set-off my internal alarms not by saying "I can't take you as a client because you're fucking nuts, don't know what the fuck you want and I can tell you're gonna fuck me over when it comes time to pay so get the fuck outta my sight you're wasting my time".
Instead I say "I'm very sorry, my schedule is full and although I'd love to work on your wonderful project I simply can't. Thank you for having thought of me and have a marvelous day".
Please feel free to use that one next time the gays come asking you to shoot their wedding
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You can call it open mind or what ever but others have beliefs, standards or just feel uncomfortable. I seriously doubt open "minded" gay person is going to have blast at Christian Coalition "Family Values" convention. Somehow you people forget that shit like this works both way. If fucking PETA want to throw paint on peoples fur coats, people in fur coats should have right to punch them in their stupid face. If gays want to have gay pride parade, they should respect Westboro Baptist Church Parade too, no matter how wrong and disgusting it looks.Comment
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What you describe is a professional business person. GFY severely lacks such so most here won't get it.I already addressed that specific point
but just in case clicking that link is too much effort, and by the strenght of your arguments it clearly is, here is the gist of it:
So you see, even though she's running a "private business!" she can't simply pick and choose which rules and regulations she's going to follow.
Just like YOU or I can't.
For example, you could say "fuck taxes, gubirmint spending MAH MONEE letting fags and dykes marry ruining strait marrege's holeeness" but the law specifies that one must pay taxes and if you disregard the law then there are consequences to that.
This has nothing to do with personal beliefs, it has to do with THE LAW. You run a business, you have to follow certain rules. And anti-discriminatory regulations are part of those rules.
And as I also posted, her mistake was lacking business sense and telling those people "I can't do your wedding because you fags" instead of "I can't do your wedding because I'm already booked".
This is basic business sense.
I have turned down clients that set-off my internal alarms not by saying "I can't take you as a client because you're fucking nuts, don't know what the fuck you want and I can tell you're gonna fuck me over when it comes time to pay so get the fuck outta my sight you're wasting my time".
Instead I say "I'm very sorry, my schedule is full and although I'd love to work on your wonderful project I simply can't. Thank you for having thought of me and have a marvelous day".
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Which rules and regulation? You crazy!!! Its called "code of conduct" son. If you go to Baylor University you obey their code of conduct. You don't drape yourself in rainbow flag and bitch about not being able to be openly gay. You work for Christian Radio Station cleaning bathrooms, you don't come to work wearing fucking Metallica shirt. You get hired by "Jesus Loves me auto body shop" you don't fucking drink beer on its parking lot after 6 PM. Plain and simple. Same goes for business enforcing Christian atmosphere and beliefs as it code of conduct. Walk into Jewish Deli and bitch about not having bacon on your poached eggs. See how that goes.Comment
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it happened in 2004 and wasn't even a wedding, same sex wedding were not recognized at the time... the girls only wanted the photographer to document a recommitment ceremony or something like that... and yes, I think it was a deliberate ploy for publicity...
in case you weren't aware a wedding can have 2 separate components, the legal or license from the state/city whatever and the religious ceremony. I have performed a wedding ceremony and I did sign the legal papers however I am ordained but I'm pretty sure something was signed down at city hall as well... been 20 years and I really can't remember..
this is why the whole gay wedding drama was so weird to me... a legal joining of estates has nothing to do with the 'ceremony'... one reason I was opposed to using the word 'marriage' ... I always felt that using the word marriage was a deliberate/calculated attack against the religious crowd.... very, very low class in my opinion... and yes the religious crowd can be a real burden, and are complexly obtuse at times... yet sinking to their level was not a real impressive.. I had hoped for more I guessComment
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The New Mexico Human Rights Act, or NMHRA which is the regulation the photographer violated when she told them she refused to shoot the wedding because they were gay (which falls under discrimination, therefore illegal) and which is the reason they went to court and which would have been the same if she had told them that she refused to shoot the wedding because the groom was white and the bride black (which falls under discrimination, therefore illegal) or because the bride and groom were law-abiding Christians (which falls under discrimination, therefore illegal) you hopelessly silly goose you
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you spend a lot of time doing mental jumping jacks, probably be better off earning moneyYeah, I saw the word "fag" in the tagline when I first Googled "The Gay Card", but quickly figured out that it was meant in a whimsical sense, and not in a mean-spirited manner (as you took it):
I checked the source of the Gay Card image (a gay guy's blog), and knowing that many gay people use the "F--" word in various ways, I quickly deduced that he meant it in a non-offensive way.
The funniest part is that I thought if you could read the small print, that you might get your panties in a bunch...and you did!
Thanks for playing (again)! 
Here's the link:
http://bosguy.com/2011/06/22/get-your-gay-card/
See, lots of gay people have a wicked sense of humor. If you didn't have such a stick up your butt about gay rights, civil rights, etc., you might have got a chuckle out of it, instead of being the usual incessant racist gay bashing whiner that you are on GFY.
Just so you know, we love you anyway...
You try so desperately to bait people endlessly about race and sexual orientation issues, that it's fun teasing you back a little every once in awhile.
ADG
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shoot content for awhile
btw really interested in the new d4x, not 100% the camera is in the pipe but I read some good sourced rumors, hopefully for sale first 1/4 2014... maybe 54MP... seriously the d800 is like a farm truck to the d3x being a Ferrari, in all seriousness you can't believe how easy the d3x shoots... def night and day.. you comer back to my area shoot it for a bit...Last edited by Grapesoda; 09-04-2013, 07:36 PM.Comment
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But that's not the point. At all
The point is that the photographer violated The New Mexico Human Rights Act when she refused to provide services based on discriminatory bias. The bias in this case was sexual orientation of the clients, but it would have been the same thing if it would have been something else.
As I previously stated, it would have been the exact same result if she had refused to shoot the wedding because:
- The couple was interracial
- The couple were Christians
- The couple was fat (although I couldn't blame her. Fat people fucking suck and should be hunted for sport )
FACT: You run a business, you have to comply with regulations. And in this case the photographer ran afoul of the New Mexico Human Rights Act, which applies to her business and all other businesses in the New Mexico area.
Of course gay marriage being a hot topic some people go apeshit, letting emotions cloud basic reading comprehension and logic.
The case had little to do with gay marriage and all to do with a business violating an established regulation
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well, I'll just lumber along in the farm truck, till I see something amazingly newshoot content for awhile
btw really interested in the new d4x, not 100% the camera is in the pipe but I read some good sourced rumors, hopefully for sale first 1/4 2014... maybe 54MP... seriously the d800 is like a farm truck to the d3x being a Ferrari, in all seriousness you can't believe how easy the d3x shoots... def night and day.. you comer back to my area shoot it for a bit...
, re content, you can always re shoot if you're not happy with what you have. As for weddings, it's a "once in a lifetime" occasion and everyone involved is stressed all to shit. Just dont need the aggrevation
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good points however more of chance that the wedding party will show upwell, I'll just lumber along in the farm truck, till I see something amazingly new
, re content, you can always re shoot if you're not happy with what you have. As for weddings, it's a "once in a lifetime" occasion and everyone involved is stressed all to shit. Just dont need the aggrevation
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Bullshit, son. Her only mistake was is using word gay first and not religious beliefs. Great victory for lawyers tops. Here's supreme court opinion. Note the very last phrase about first amendment.The New Mexico Human Rights Act, or NMHRA which is the regulation the photographer violated when she told them she refused to shoot the wedding because they were gay (which falls under discrimination, therefore illegal) and which is the reason they went to court and which would have been the same if she had told them that she refused to shoot the wedding because the groom was white and the bride black (which falls under discrimination, therefore illegal) or because the bride and groom were law-abiding Christians (which falls under discrimination, therefore illegal) you hopelessly silly goose you
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3798948.html
Her only mistake was that she didn't post that sign. I bet now she will and they all can go find some gay photographer to be happy with. Just like I said earlier - "No shoes, no shirt, no service". In her case "Two cocks, two pussies - go look somewhere else"."The purpose of the NMHRA is to ensure that businesses offering services to the general public do not discriminate against protected classes of people, and the United States Supreme Court has made it clear that the First Amendment permits such regulation by state. Businesses that choose to be public accommodations must comply with the NMHRA, although such businesses retain their First Amendment rights to express their religious or political beliefs. They may, for example, post a disclaimer on their website or in their studio advertising that they oppose same-sex marriage but that they comply with applicable anti-discrimination laws."Comment
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Someone needs to walk in to gay owned print shop and ask them to print "Fags go to Hell" posters. And then march to very same N.M. court
This gay rights crap is getting out of control.
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you could do that, but once you were in court that gay shop could argue they are not allowed to print hate speechComment
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Your lack of reading comprehension is simply astonishing. It takes a special kind of blindness to actually confirm my argument by posting the information that destroys yours. You're truly gifted
So you see, you're free to put a sign on your place of business that says "We do not condone gay marriage" BUT and please put those shiny keys down that are distracting you and try to pay attention, CAN'T REFUSE SERVICE because of that belief due to the fact that as a business you must "comply with applicable anti-discrimination laws", which by saying "you fags, I can't do your wedding" she violated.
Now astonish me again with another brilliant display of blind pigheadedness. Come on, I know you can
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I should point out that children, the physically and mentally handicapped are protected classes of people to counter-point that pitiful straw-man but who am I kidding?
You guys seem to having so much fun jerking each other's dicks that I would feel bad trying to inject some common sense into your delusions
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I should point out that children, the physically and mentally handicapped are protected classes of people to counter-point that pitiful straw-man but who am I kidding?
You guys seem to having so much fun jerking each other's dicks that I would feel bad trying to inject some common sense into your delusions
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dude you're fucked up... when the government engages in ANY discrimination against it's citizenry that a BIG fucking issue... you're trying to strut your brilliant, mind so think about that and the implications...I should point out that children, the physically and mentally handicapped are protected classes of people to counter-point that pitiful straw-man but who am I kidding?
You guys seem to having so much fun jerking each other's dicks that I would feel bad trying to inject some common sense into your delusions
or are you saying that being gay is mental retardation and gays must be protected legally for their own welfare? definite hate filled, gay bashing mind for sure
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Wait a minute.
So you're saying that having a law whose purpose is to ensure that businesses not discriminate against individuals based on their ethnicity, sexual orientation, physical or mental abilities or lack thereof is discriminatory because you think fags are disgusting and businesses shouldn't have to be penalized when they decide to discriminate against them?
Well, I thought Just Alex was gifted, but you my friend are a giving him a run for his money
You know, I understand your point of view. It's difficult when the world changes around you and seemingly all of a sudden women can vote, then those goddamn darkies, and by God fags are strutting around like they're as good as you instead of hiding in shame.
But that's the nature of living in this society, change.
You don't like fags/dykes/trannies having the same rights/privileges and obligations as you then you should consider move to a society where they're denied those rights/privileges and obligations like Iran, Uganda or Russia
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I think the boundaries are selected by the government as need to be politically correct. you can't yell fire in a crowded theater but the black party can say lets kill Zimmerman, the Muslims can say lets kill whitey, just like blacks but the KKK can't say lets kill black people
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not sure why you even read my post, if you do because you're pretty much making everything up and assigning language to me that I didn't say ... how fucking bizarre is that?Wait a minute.
So you're saying that having a law whose purpose is to ensure that businesses not discriminate against individuals based on their ethnicity, sexual orientation, physical or mental abilities or lack thereof is discriminatory because you think fags are disgusting and businesses shouldn't have to be penalized when they decide to discriminate against them?
Well, I thought Just Alex was gifted, but you my friend are a giving him a run for his money
You know, I understand your point of view. It's difficult when the world changes around you and seemingly all of a sudden women can vote, then those goddamn darkies, and by God fags are strutting around like they're as good as you instead of hiding in shame.
But that's the nature of living in this society, change.
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i hear your concern for the white race.I think the boundaries are selected by the government as need to be politically correct. you can't yell fire in a crowded theater but the black party can say lets kill Zimmerman, the Muslims can say lets kill whitey, just like blacks but the KKK can't say lets kill black people
this is the population percentages of the groups you are concerned with:
0.8% muslim
12.6% black
3.8% gay
so, according to you, .8% of the population is going on about 'killing whitey', of which is about 80% of the population
12.6% of the population, our african-american-heritage brothers, apparently are preaching for the death of a latino-european male, which is 'bad'. I can feel your fear friend, but, considering it's 12% of the populatino, and most likely .0000000001% has actually said 'lets kill zimmerman', your fear is unfounded!
i don't have time for it, but what percentage of banks and politicians screw you guys, every single day, of every single year?
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Fair enough. But let me remind you that you started the implication argument with this
When I was replying that classes of citizens already receive special protection (children being one of them), which you then used to imply I was calling gays mentally challenged and just to avoid any further misunderstandings, I wasn't
I was simply pointing out that classes of citizens already receive protection under the law so saying that the government "discriminates" by protecting certain sections of it's citizens is a straw-man argument. And we know how you love your straw
With that out of the way, let me rephrase my retort without implying anything.
The law which brought the case to court, the New Mexico Human Rights Act, is there to ensure that businesses do not discriminate based on sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc etc.
That means that if you operate a business you're obliged to provide service to EVERYONE. It's an inclusive law, design to discourage discrimination.
Now, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you're arguing that not allowing the photographer to deny her services to the couple based on their sexual orientation is discriminatory against the photographer's religious/moral views.
And here we come to a point which is subtle, that you can't pick and choose which biases you consider worthy of protecting and which aren't. You should do like you suggested I do, follow the implications
What if she had refused to shoot the wedding because the couple was interracial? Her views say that race mixing is wrong. Would you defend that point so feverishly?
Or what if the photographer was black and she refused to shoot the wedding because the couple was Irish and she thought the Irish were a bunch of no-good drunks? Would you defend that point so feverishly?
So you see, the gay angle is the lest important aspect of the case, which is another point I previously made, it's the principle that a business must not discriminate against its clients based on personal bias.
And like the court stated, the photographer is free to put up a sign saying "I do not condone gay marriage", which would be simply her expressing her personal views. But refusing to provide services based on personal bias goes against the established law.
You could argue "but but that's what freedom means, I should be able to do whatever the fuck I want! If I don't want to work for blacks/kikes/spics/fags/dykes the gubirmint shouldn't force me to!"
But that's part of being a member of society, one must follow the social contract. You want to have the social benefits of running water, electricity, internet, then you have to follow society's rules.
You can't simply pick and choose what rules you feel like following and which you don't, that's what growing up should have taught you
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look you've brought up good point then you fuck that up by your a retard etc , fuck you and all the creepy passive aggressive bullshit you pile ... save that for sharing with you're liberal shit head buddies...Fair enough. But let me remind you that you started the implication argument with this
When I was replying that classes of citizens already receive special protection (children being one of them), which you then used to imply I was calling gays mentally challenged and just to avoid any further misunderstandings, I wasn't
I was simply pointing out that classes of citizens already receive protection under the law so saying that the government "discriminates" by protecting certain sections of it's citizens is a straw-man argument. And we know how you love your straw
With that out of the way, let me rephrase my retort without implying anything.
The law which brought the case to court, the New Mexico Human Rights Act, is there to ensure that businesses do not discriminate based on sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc etc.
That means that if you operate a business you're obliged to provide service to EVERYONE. It's an inclusive law, design to discourage discrimination.
Now, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you're arguing that not allowing the photographer to deny her services to the couple based on their sexual orientation is discriminatory against the photographer's religious/moral views.
And here we come to a point which is subtle, that you can't pick and choose which biases you consider worthy of protecting and which aren't. You should do like you suggested I do, follow the implications
What if she had refused to shoot the wedding because the couple was interracial? Her views say that race mixing is wrong. Would you defend that point so feverishly?
Or what if the photographer was black and she refused to shoot the wedding because the couple was Irish and she thought the Irish were a bunch of no-good drunks? Would you defend that point so feverishly?
So you see, the gay angle is the lest important aspect of the case, which is another point I previously made, it's the principle that a business must not discriminate against its clients based on personal bias.
And like the court stated, the photographer is free to put up a sign saying "I do not condone gay marriage", which would be simply her expressing her personal views. But refusing to provide services based on personal bias goes against the established law.
You could argue "but but that's what freedom means, I should be able to do whatever the fuck I want! If I don't want to work for blacks/kikes/spics/fags/dykes the gubirmint shouldn't force me to!"
But that's part of being a member of society, one must follow the social contract. You want to have the social benefits of running water, electricity, internet, then you have to follow society's rules.
You can't simply pick and choose what rules you feel like following and which you don't, that's what growing up should have taught you
if you want intelligent open minded discourse I'm interested, other wise I'm not, apparently unlike you I have an OPEN mind to this
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Ahhhh how unexpected, we've reached down to "liberal" name-calling, which is the easiest way to deflect an argument.look you've brought up good point then you fuck that up by your a retard etc , fuck you and all the creepy passive aggressive bullshit you pile ... save that for sharing with you're liberal shit head buddies...
if you want intelligent open minded discourse I'm interested, other wise I'm not, apparently unlike you I have an OPEN mind to this
"I wont reply becuz your a liberal faggit"
Why don't you try to address the points I made instead of dismissing them as "liberal" bullshit? Come on, give it a shot. I had great fun deconstructing yours. Let's not stop this party
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