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03-05-2008, 12:06 AM

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Ohio is a true swing state. Didn't they say it has been 100 years since a candidate has lost OH and still won the presidency?

Not a single president has taken the white house without winning the Ohio primary as well in their respective parties.

When it comes down to it the GE always hinges on Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

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03-05-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

And yes, since neither candidate will be able to reach the magical number of 2025, and there is no definitive tiebreaker in the rulebook, then both the logical and right thing to do is to nominate the person with the most votes and delegates.

Right kind of like the general election in 2000 when popular vote got taken down by the electoral college
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03-05-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

STATES have open primaries, not democrats.
If a state chooses to allow people to vote in whatever primary they want, that's their prerogative.

Maybe where you live. But I have yet to hear of a state setting different rules for different parties.

Perhaps you can show me an example.
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03-05-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by Axeman

Funny you say Zogby is not reputable here.

But in this thread/post you ask specifically for a reputable poll like Zogby or Gallup.....

http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=13849625&postcount=90

I never said Zogby wasn't reputable, I said he's been off this campaign season....and that's a fact.
He's obviously having a hard time figuring out which voters will show up and which ones won't.....he must be oversampling some groups and undersampling others, he hasn't even been close to the actual election results yet this year.

My point in that post was that if you were going to show me an online poll conducted by a pro-Clinton blog then that's obviously not a fair or accurate reading of how the majority of democrats feel about an issue.....but if it was an unbiased poll conducted by professionals then it would carry some weight.

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03-05-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by baddog

Can you count or does this delegate thing continue to elude your mental grasp.

PA has 3+ times as many delegates as WY and MS combined.

Not to mention both WY and MS are red states that the dems got no hope of winning come Nov either way, while Pennsylvania is a pretty important swing state.

Just like Missiouri which can go either way and he won. By 1/10 of a percent but still won.

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03-05-2008, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

I never said Zogby wasn't reputable, I said he's been off this campaign season....and that's a fact.
He's obviously having a hard time figuring out which voters will show up and which ones won't.....he must be oversampling some groups and undersampling others, he hasn't even been close to the actual election results yet this year.

My point in that post was that if you were going to show me an online poll conducted by a pro-Clinton blog then that's obviously not a fair or accurate reading of how the majority of democrats feel about an issue.....but if it was an unbiased poll conducted by professionals then it would carry some weight.

Oh I agree Zogby has been way off. Its clear he is under/oversampling the latino and A.A demographics to get the poll results he wants. Gives the press what they want and you make coin. But he overplayed his hand this year and is looking like a joke of late.

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03-05-2008, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by baddog

Maybe where you live. But I have yet to hear of a state setting different rules for different parties.

Perhaps you can show me an example.

For example, in CA, are you suggesting that the State of California is forcing the Democrats to allow Independents to vote on their ballot and not allowing the Republicans to do that?
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03-05-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by Axeman

BTW after tonight Clinton will have made the popular vote a dead heat if not in the lead on that front. your right about the delegates. And the reason he has the delegates and not winning big in the popular vote is he won red state cacuses with low turnout but got good net gains in delegates there.

She netted +330,000 votes tonight in the popular vote.

Ummmmm....before tonight Obama was ahead by about 1 million votes.

How her +330K tonight makes it a dead heat or gives her a lead must be more of that Clinton math.

He's ahead by about 600K votes now.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ote_count.html

I really need to stop doing this....it makes absolutely no sense for me to argue about this with people who have no regard for the truth...or the facts....or the numbers......but who apparently just make shit up to support their candidate and then tell me I have to refute it in order to be believable.

According to your argument, John Kerry should have won the presidency in 2004 because he won the "big states" and George Bush won the "small states" that according to you don't really matter.....even though GWB won the popular vote and the electoral college that year......the same way Obama has won the popular vote and the delegate count in this primary season.

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03-05-2008, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by baddog

For example, in CA, are you suggesting that the State of California is forcing the Democrats to allow Independents to vote on their ballot and not allowing the Republicans to do that?

Actually, in Nevada, the Democrats were allowing direct, same-day registration for former non-voters, and party changes, but the Republicans were unable to offer the same services as they didn't find the Dems had it until late, and were then blocked from doing so.

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03-05-2008, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by GrouchyAdmin

Actually, in Nevada, the Democrats were allowing direct, same-day registration for former non-voters, and party changes, but the Republicans were unable to offer the same services as they didn't find the Dems had it until late, and were then blocked from doing so.

Because of the RNC or the State of NV?

Is Lenny suggesting that FL did not count because of rules set by the State of Florida?
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03-05-2008, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by baddog

Maybe where you live. But I have yet to hear of a state setting different rules for different parties.

Perhaps you can show me an example.

They don't set different rules for different parties.....where you're mistaken is that you think all of the republican primaries are closed when they're not.

In New Hamshire, independents are allowed to vote in either primary, but democrats and republicans are only allowed to vote in their own party's primary.

Today in Texas, any registered voter was allowed to vote in whichever primary they wanted. These rules are set by the state, not by the political parties.

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03-05-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by baddog

Because of the RNC or the State of NV?

Is Lenny suggesting that FL did not count because of rules set by the State of Florida?

That's exactly why.....it wasn't the FLA democratic party that decided to move the primary up....it was Florida's state legislature. The DNC said the primary wouldn't count but the state moved it up anyways (republican controlled legislature and governor)

Jesus christ old man.....do I really have to be your fucking civics professor here? The least you could do is google this shit and learn for yourself before you come in here telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about.

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03-05-2008, 12:26 AM

I'm done with this....no more political threads here for me....I'm sick of debating people who have no regard for the truth or the facts or the numbers.....but who just make shit up to suit their purpose.

I'll start a thread on Jan 20, 2009 when Obama is being inagurated....until then, it was nice knowing ya.

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03-05-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

According to your argument, John Kerry should have won the presidency in 2004 because he won the "big states" and George Bush won the "small states" that according to you don't really matter.....even though GWB won the popular vote and the electoral college that year......the same way Obama has won the popular vote and the delegate count in this primary season.

There is a difference between winning them in a primary and winning them in the General Election, and Kerry did not win enough big states. Like TX, OH, FL, GA, NC . . .
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03-05-2008, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

I'm done with this....no more political threads here for me....I'm sick of debating people who have no regard for the truth or the facts or the numbers.....but who just make shit up to suit their purpose.

I'll start a thread on Jan 20, 2009 when Obama is being inagurated....until then, it was nice knowing ya.

Can you just tell me where it says that if you have the delegate lead without hitting the threshold that all the super delegates go to you.

thats the fact.
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03-05-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

That's exactly why.....it wasn't the FLA democratic party that decided to move the primary up....it was Florida's state legislature. The DNC said the primary wouldn't count but the state moved it up anyways (republican controlled legislature and governor)

Jesus christ old man.....do I really have to be your fucking civics professor here? The least you could do is google this shit and learn for yourself before you come in here telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about.

It was the DNC that decided they would not count. Not the state.
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03-05-2008, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by baddog

It was the DNC that decided they would not count. Not the state.

But it was the state run by republicans that moved up the election. They knew it was against dnc rules but did it anyway. So it was the state that made the decision.
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