Looks like a solid third place. A lot better than those 5th place victories.
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lol I actually like a lot of what Ron Paul says and stands for. But to expect to win the Republican nomination on his platform was not reasonable.XXXRewards - Karups - Boyfun - Jawked. Paying on time since 1997. Contact me at brent [at] xxxrewards.com -
Grats for holding on, Doctor Paul.
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Ron Paul has accomplished a ton this election including reminding us what a conservative Republican really is about. Dont think he didnt hurt Mccrazy and his chances of getting elected, and thats all that matters to me at this point.No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
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I'm not entirely sure you know what you are talking about. A short sighted opinion is one thing. Taking into account Republican voters as a whole is another.
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I never said that was his goal, but he helped accomplish it. He won almost every straw poll with ideals that dont suit the crazy neo cons running the Republican party. At the debates he helped point out the huge faults in all of their campaigns. He pointed out the war that Mccain is basing his run on flawed foreign policy in a war we cannot afford. He pointed out the change in the Republican party and how little the rest of the candidates understand our economy. You are an idiot to think him being at the debates did nothing to hurt Mccains chances.No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
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it would be interesting to see what would happen if he went in on the independent ticket.Comment
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So he helped to accomplish a goal which is probably not even his goal? If his intention is to hurt McCain he should run as an independent. The last poll on it showed that he would take a good 8% from McCain. Presumably then that is NOT his goal. Whose goal is it then? Yours?
Aren't you the "5th is really 3rd is really 1st" guy? Are you up to your old tricks again?
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It's just sort of silly to assume Paul potentially could have anything to do with this.
You seem like a "cause" person. IE Paul failed. But he will win in the end because he stopped McCain from winning.
Why not just admit defeat and realize Paul failed.
For the record: My sister in law and mother in law in CA voted for Paul because I turned them on to him and his policies and as FEVERANT belligerent asshole Christian Republicans, they liked him.
I just know when something means nothing, and Paul had no impact on McCain voters or non voters.Comment
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At least you don't name call when you run out of valid points.
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Because I am not offended by others opinion when its made out of spite and ignorance. If you think Mccain and the other lackey Republicans would have been called out on his wacko war and economy opinions if Ron Paul hadnt been at the debates then you are just commenting with your emotions rather than using your brain. Paul personally made FOX look like the garbage network they are, and even got the GOP to pull their sponserhip of debates. Yeah, Paul didnt hurt the Mccains chances when thats the only Network stuck up the war mongers asses.No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
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Spite and ignorance? You clearly missed the part where I had 2 voters go to Paul. I thought his campaign was great, but his failure is clear.
This is not worth discussing anymore, I thought I might be able to talk to you even despite seeing how feverish you are on this board about Paul especially. It's borderline obsessive, clearly.Comment
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The Ron Paul drop in the bucket is gonna drown the world in revolution! you just wait 'n' see!
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No one said Paul didn't "call them out" on the war. It's just that it didn't matter. Did McCain lose votes? No, completely the opposite. McCain managed to go from 13% and 3rd place on November 16th, 2007 to 62% and 1st place on March 1st, 2008? Paul kept talking, McCain kept gaining.
The revolution is dead. There is no revolution. Business as usual.Last edited by ADL Colin; 03-04-2008, 03:44 PM.
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This thread just proves how Ron Paul did not fail. Where are the Rudy threads the Edwards threads?
ADL keep telling yourself its over and it will roll right over you. Neo-cons ie Bush1 Clinton1 Bush2 McCain Obama did not gain power over night.
And those who think failure = losing this election are dead wrong.Last edited by IllTestYourGirls; 03-04-2008, 03:54 PM.
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There is no need to go out into the winter weather wen there is no contest.
I find it amusing that Republicans are allowed to vote in the Democrat's primary in some states (like TX), so they vote for Clinton.
Sounds like what my dad has been doing for years.Comment
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Baddog why shouldnt people living in the land of the free be able to vote for anyone they want?Comment
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Well, there are six threads about a guy who threw a puppy over a cliff.
But yes, Paul did better than Rudy and Edwards which was exactly Baddog's point. He finished third and grats to that. Applaud it. But to try and turn 3rd place into some sort of victory doesn't make any sense. We've been over this. 3rd is not 1st. 6.5% of the vote is NOT a victory for Paul or his "message".
6.5%.
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There's a paper out there somewhere I read a few months back that shows close to no correlation between primary votes for a party and the general election. The paper concluded that high turnout in primaries was just a function of how close the primaries were.
I don't think Democrats going to the polls to vote either for Clinton or Obama has anything to do with McCain. Do you?
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Do you have the exit poll numbers for your conspiracy theory? When I see numbers that republican voters won it for clinton or obama I will say I am sorry. But until then it is a conspiracy theory.
Like you said states choose if party lines can be crossed at the voting booth. Why do you think that should be changed and how? More federal rules and bigger government?
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I was born in 1968. The first election I voted in was '88. I was a libertarian. I read Rand and Hayek and was enamored with Milton Friedman. Without looking, do you know who the libertarian party candidate for president was in 1988. No? Look it up. Now what is it that you think I have no clue about?
I know you think a revolution is coming. Your generation will change the world. Gonna overthrow the existing hierarchy. "This is only the beginning". Right? You really think people older than you don't realize the younger generation will grow up? We *were*those younger people. We've already seen it. Of course we realize it. What you are being woefully blind to is the fact that Ron Paul isn't winning with the youth vote. he does better there but he isn't winning. Huckabee's younguns will grow up too. As will McCains. As will Obama and Clintons.
The US is changing at a reasonable pace. I don't see any magical about it and despite advertising and marketing slogans to the contrary I don't think McCain, Obama or Clinton embodies "change" anymore than Clinton or Bush did.
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Romney won 10 states. Huckabee won 7 states. No "possible". No "maybe". No nothing.
Paul is a fringe candidate capable of winning about 7% of the vote. I've been following Paul for 20 years. I think we're at the end of whatever attempt at revolution there ever was.
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Paul has has been in politics for 30 years. He is 72 years old. He is a career politician at the end of his career. Who will carry on the "revolution"? The Libertarian Party that has only managed 1% of the vote once in the past 20 years? Why is it a "revolution" anyway? Paul's beliefs are essentially libertarian. The US Libertarian Party has been around for 40 years and it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
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