I had just seen Shap's earlier post about Twisty's public redTube stance. As far as I'm aware, only AFF is currently a target, perhaps because BrazBucks is not domestic. I'm not sure, but I'm sure someone else could drag them into if you wanted to, and if I owned content appearing on RedTube, you know I'd be sending a copy of my DMCA to [email protected] everytime, just in case.
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YouTube and Google already make efforts to control copyrighted material without requiring a complaint, they respond automatically to DMCAs BEFORE investigation, terminate user accounts when they discover infringement.
I think google could quite adequately make the case that their business practices are fundamentally different than redTube, anyone agree?
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I think this is them. barely publicly traded is the word on this.
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They talk about tubes a bit here on the first page http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=810848Comment
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I'm glad you think so.
Listen, I saw some people hating on you in your thread, and I personally disagree with the decisions you are making, however I want people to keep something in mind.
There are a LOT of stakeholders in this Tube issue, and AFF, BrazBucks, Twisty's and the like, find themselves in an odd position. They are uncomfortable with the new format and behavior of new sites, and they are asked to formulate a position, to make a decision on the spot about an issue they really didn't create.
I don't forget that the reason you are put in this position in the first place, is because certain tube sites willfully engage in this behavior that is detrimental to your business and the industry, but because of the smoke and mirrors of technology, people think this is like when radio made music free in some capacity. But, it's not, this is outright content theft, in a player. They control it, it's play on demand, and on many of these sites it's available for full HQ download.
It's just Theft, but they are using scare tactics to convince owners that They are the future.
The technology is part of the future, but the tech developers that think they can survive in the world by expecting the laws to be re-written as they see fit to their business model, they my friends, will not be part of the future.
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Cool. I bring that up because my stance and what I do is very different from many other companies. I understand people think I'm just as bad but there is a very big difference. My banners appear next to my content and nowhere else. I don't have my banners plastered across the sites the way many other companies have. I've also been very open about it and any sponsor that needs help getting content removed from those sites I am more than happy to do what I can to get their content removed. Even if it means terminating the affiliate.Comment
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From wikipedia:
Penthouse?s parent company became General Media Inc in 1993 in connection with the company going public in December 21, 1993, in an $85 million United States Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) registered bond offering. Jefferies and Company led the junk bond offering (Jefferies is a leading middle-market investment bank listed on the New York Stock Exchange). The main buyer of the bonds was the $40 billion MacKay Shields division of the venerable $143 billion New York Life insurance company.
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Dont bother, lol......seems the more often people are corrected on that point, the more oftem I see people mentioning AFF/PH stock.
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should make for a good readwant to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.Comment
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WTF are you talking about, AFF (dating) and Cams (webcams) single handedly monitized all of the orginal and most popular tube sites.
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maybe Twistys and Brazzers since the stuff they are producing is also getting stolen, but AFF??? you have to be joking, AFF isn't in an odd position. They are in the perfect position to kill the competition and make money off of traffic which is being generated from other people's stolen content.
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WTF are you talking about, AFF (dating) and Cams (webcams) single handedly monitized all of the orginal and most popular tube sites.
Odd postion maybe Twistys and Brazzers since the stuff they are producing is also getting stolen, but AFF??? you have to be joking, AFF isn't in an odd position. They are in the perfect position to kill the competition and make money off of traffic which is being generated from other people's stolen content.
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I'm with you there, AFF must have been a brain fart or a typo.
And what of RealityKings, content provider with a dating site.
BTW, I have noticed I can't find any of RedTube's sponsor's videos on redTube.
Does this mean they have the ability to control infringement of material and are willfully choosing not to do so, unless you pay them. mmm could be court fodder too.
Has AFF said ANYTHING on the isse?
BTW, we'd like to drop AFF for their behavior, and Pichunter makes 17K a month with them, any dating or cam sites that have a stance against supporting infringemet?
Fling and AFF are out, anyone on the up and up right now, I'll drop them a nice account.Not WorkingComment
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Can't resist that offer from what I can see these guys seem legit http://affiliates.sexyads.com/?rs=5570
and for cams http://www.peekscash.com/?wmcode=xxxiceLast edited by xxxice; 03-02-2008, 07:57 PM.Comment
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Ok so someone decided to spend alot of money to fight the good fight....but they're still going to lose.
It sucks but that's the way it is.
This is like suing Budweiser because they sponsored the Super Bowl where Janet Jackson's nipple was exposed...so that makes them a party to your mental anguish.
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wow interesting...makes sense though it is the same as warezComment
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How much stolen content is really on google? real stolen content from a site's members area? Or in mainstream terms, a full length hollywood movie for example.YouTube and Google already make efforts to control copyrighted material without requiring a complaint, they respond automatically to DMCAs BEFORE investigation, terminate user accounts when they discover infringement.
I think google could quite adequately make the case that their business practices are fundamentally different than redTube, anyone agree?
I love how people compare youtube to illegal porn tubes. Illegal porn tubes are 98% stolen content 2% real. They only exists because of stolen content.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Moocash and Ifriends are the only 2 cam sites I promote. Both are 100% free of torrent sites, illegal tubes (stolen content), and spyware.
If you want help or suggestions on either of those hit me up: ICQ 86364801
For dating, I am not promoting anyone at the moment, but I recall that iwantu had a firm stance on spyware and I dont recall ever seeing them on a site with stolen content.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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I applaud your ethics and for taking a stand and holding assholes like AFF accountable . Everyone keeps telling me I am wasting my time bitching about AFF and their tactics and that no one listens. If you drop them and they lose a 200K a year account, that would be awesome. You top notch in my book.
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Haven't I already read 50 threads just like this? Why is this one different?
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I'm not convinced it will work, but would like it to. The problem I have is 100s of people directly profit off stolen content. Go to Torrentspy and see Paypal making money off processing for the paid downloads.
Look on any illegal site and you'll find adverts supporting the site, have the software, music and film industry missed this excellent way to sue the infringer's advertisers?
Would be nice to see if it works but I think it might hinge on how well people respond to a DMCA notice. Might work if the illegal site refuses to adhere to a DMCA on the grounds they are not in the US. But they have US advertisers.
In any case it took the lawyers a long time to find this loop hole and why not Perfect 10s lawyers?
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this page shouldnt be on the 2nd pagewant to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.Comment
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Can you EVER fucking not talk about yourself and your shitty sites? Fuck, i used to like you but damn you are annoying since you started those mediocre 3 sales a day websites with magic joinlinks.. You think people care about your business crap in every goddamn post in every goddamn thread you make? Please just stfu or just stick to the subject without adding your 2 cents about your sites and content. No, just stfu in general please. Fucking annoying prick.Comment
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If budweiser had prior knowledge that an event would have surprise pornography or indecency, AND THEN chose to sponsor it anyways, you'd probably have a case.
It's not as if AFF saw their site and thought, WOW here's an upstanding site we can partner with, and then got blind sided by some infringement.
It's more like their ad leads in to the infringment, leads out the infringment, and is prominently displayed on a site that has more infringing material than not.Not WorkingComment
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AFF will use a bunch on money, and this will all seem to go away in one way or another.PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic
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Again I will say...
When I see it I will believe it.
Till then it is just more BS and Posturing look at me attention whore shit.
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For the 2 years of fantasy threads about lawsuits and mafia henchmen going after those that monetize tube / infringing traffic we have ONE public lawsuit by Vivid - and thats not even against AFF the worst offender.
Where are all the stand-up top notch bro's with their stand-up top notch lawsuits? I don't know, they seem to be busy opening tube sites and stealing content themselves.
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Dood...to be fair to Shap. He was just trying to make a descicion to try to deal with a problem that wasn't going anywhere and trying to control it, by tying the finacially to twistys.
He was only taking traffic on pages that displayed his content.
That is very different from what AFF and Brazzers is doing and slapping their ads on every page.
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its different but it still sucks. Where do you think the traffic that was going to his page was coming from.... (several other pages on the site with stolen content). One page removed... you still profiting from stolen content even if it isn't on the same page with you.Dood...to be fair to Shap. He was just trying to make a descicion to try to deal with a problem that wasn't going anywhere and trying to control it, by tying the finacially to twistys.
He was only taking traffic on pages that displayed his content.
That is very different from what AFF and Brazzers is doing and slapping their ads on every page.
I cant wait to her how this one goes and who is doign the sueing.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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I would like to humbly point out, that there is currently no brazzers advertisement on RedTube, anymore.
The company declines to comment officially on it's reasons for that, or admit that it was a conscious decision on their part, rather than just a usual flux in their selections of where to advertise.
But.... It's not there, anymore.
Thank you sincerely, You guys have been one of my top sponsors, and I believe an advocate of the customer, which I love.Not WorkingComment
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Last I checked most people's parents don't know how to use torrents, but, I htink they all can use YouTube. Look, there's a difference between bootlegging occurring in a city back alley, vs. a store in the mall.
If users keep having to run to all new mediums and learn all new shit, on illegal sites that keep getting closed. I think they will tire of that shit and pay $24.99 for thousands of videos that aren't much of a hassle. At least, my target consumers will, c'mon, day job, 50K a year, and you wanna fuck with torrents, ftps, mirc, and not just pay, then you weren't ever gunna pay, and if I took away all the porn, you'd jerk for free still, using your thoughts.
Hardcore freebies will always find that shit, but they weren't going to pay anyhow, or don't have the capacity to, or they are under 18. For the most part.
But, I can't just search google, for "Free Metallica" and get it easy. Not like the old days, so you can miss my larger point all you want, but you know it's not like napster was. It's better, if your a tech nerd and shit, but a plain old comp user, it's hard to keep up, and increasingly easy (and worth it) to payNot WorkingComment
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I'll take what I can get, one step at a time.
I'm actually having a hard time getting copyright owners to DMCA brazzer and AFF because of you porn, any takers, are they still infringing anyone's shit?
I mean, do you own the content they are infringing, I don't, so I can't complain, if they still have you stuff up, contact me, I'll get it down.Not WorkingComment
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