Really Useful Cash Launches TrannyArt.com!

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Two cents to sense!

I don't understand why you'd use a name that is so obviously rejected by the vast majority of trans people when producing content that you're trying to pass off as classy. Sure, SEO has merit, but you could be doing so much for the community you're using to make money by using positive language.

Go on.... As me being a person that has no idea what you're talking about, can you explain what you're saying?

what kind of tools you have?

Tranny (and more-so shemale, which is also used in the press release) has been used as an othering/marginalizing word and as hate speech. The community has rejected this term, and prefers trans/trans*/transgender. GLAAD has made this very clear in their literature: http://www.glaad.org/transgender and I'm surprised that a website featuring trans women and made for people who are attracted to them would circumvent any thought on the issue and go with what's easiest, regardless of how this perpetuates a word that has fallen into ill-repute.

serious political correctness in thread

great stuff guys!

Okay, I hear what you're saying. However, maybe there's another way to think about this. The word queer of course has for years been historically known as a very derogatory term for gay people. However at my college and I know at many other colleges, the gay population there embraced the term and owned it as a way to express themselves. They had parties entitled "QUEER BASH" and other types of things like that so maybe, you guys should just embrace the term "tranny" and make it have a new definition like these gay populations of these colleges I'm talking about.

Reclaiming words is totally cool, but even if trans* people decided it was okay for them to use, it would not be okay for cis people to use it to market content. The n word has been reclaimed in certain circles, but it wouldn't be okay for a classy art porn organization to use that word to market porn, either.

(And, for what it's worth, I'm cisgender, so I'm not a part of the community. I'm just shocked that a company with a feminist porn award would use this language without indicating some insight or thought about the matter. That's not very feminist.)

hmmmm, there has GOT to be some sort of solution.. I know reallyusefulcash is not going to change there domain at this point... Sophie, what would you suggest?

What do you suggest calling it besides "Tranny Porn"? Because that's what most people call it and those surfers make sales, not PC transgender people..

wait a minute, I'm looking at your sig - are YOU the model giving the bjs in the arts of bjs site videos?

are you transgendered? sorry i dont understand what you said earlier...

Well, I think businesses should hold themselves up to higher ethical ideals to match their aesthetics and do a little research in the first place, but I think that a well-placed blog post discussing their newfound understanding of the terms and a commitment to using trans/trans*/transgender in their SEO going forward would be a really good start.

Trans/trans*/transgender are all valid and descriptive terms. You can include words like "tranny" and "shemale" in the SEO without using them directly. Including discussions of the terms still means using those words for the purpose of SEO.

For example:

"We are committed to featuring the highest quality trans porn featuring gorgeous trans women and the men who love them. Art porn is about ethics, so we've chosen to avoid using terms like tranny or shemale outside of a discussion context, favouring the words that respect our beautiful trans stars."

Boom. You just got your keywords in without being disrespectful. That type of discussion can be evolving on the site and, though it may seem intellectual, can be glossed over by people who see the words "hot trans woman" and start salivating. Porn can change, and big companies with affiliations to feminist organizations should be thinking critically about how we can make porn be more respected, especially when they're billing themselves as art. Art isn't just about the cameras you use. Anyone can take a DSLR and a model, but it takes a lot more to be thoughtful and respectful of the people you employ and the community you, like it or not, represent.

I'm the PR/marketing/editing/admin/affiliate manager/girl Friday for the company. I'm not trans, nor are any of our stars. I'm just a person in the art porn community that thinks that we should have a little more tact if we're going to bill ourselves as classy, and not use words that demean our performers just because it's the easiest way to sell a niche. Porn nomenclature can evolve. Adapt or offend, in this case.

The tour looks like mostly all Brazilian shemales, if you plan on marketing as having content from 'around the globe' might want to add more diverse content.

why?? your going to tell someone how they need to do things hahahaha!!!

Maybe you should hang out with some of the girls then that you are so adamant about " Defending "

I do as I do work 100% in the Niche and let me tell you they use the word tranny and so do the surfers and not in a negative way.

Its always funny to see a few speak for the masses and not have it right.



Reggie. Hit me on ICQ so we can talk about your new site.

Thanks

FHGs, Hosted Clips, Tube Clips, Picture Sets, Banners, and let me know what you are looking for and I will try to make it happen!

There is a lot more content to come...I promise it will be a very diverse site!

Select performers aren't a sampling of the entire trans community. This goes beyond porn, or at least it should, but that's the issue with this business... A lot of people don't think critically.

Pretty much, yes. They don't need to listen, but it's unfortunate that people don't think about the people they might upset. There are other ways.

So you think that the Select performers that i deal with, Including at least 50 that we have shot 1 or 2 times and the many hundreds that we have spoken with in multiple countries are not enough?

Not all of them are in porn but the vast majority of them refer to themselves as either a tranny or a shemale and not in a negative way.

And your statement of " At least it should " is you assigning your ideas of what is negative to people that don't think that way.

And trust me I and everyone here at this company think critically.

not my sort of thing, but looks good.

kool i haven't seen a meltdown in a while.

I think the argument above should be settled by our very own resident tranny/shemale whatever...

what word are you talking about? your not talking about tranny are you? if so you better go take a nap

Congrats and good luck

I get what you're saying, but you're wrong.

The problem here is that they aren't catering to the Tumblr social justice/SRS/LGBTQ community with their pornography. You'd find that people who are into those things are heavily critical of porn as a whole (I can provide some anecdotal evidence, if you'd like, but I'm hoping you appreciate and accept that) and are unlikely to join the website anyway. Being classy and artsy doesn't mean that they have to avoid potentially offending people: in any case, is anyone actually offended by the name Tranny Art? Have you spoken to any members of the trans community that are outright against this? I'm sure you could find cases where they're against the word as a whole, but those arguments are questionable given what we know about language.

See, language is used to convey an idea. The whole purpose of words is to get what's going on in my head into your head. That's it. When I use words, I use them to transfer whatever it is going on in my brain so that you get what I think, believe and feel. Now, no matter what language I use, if I'm conveying the idea to you, you should focus on the content of that idea in and of itself, with little regard for what I used in order to put it there.

Using the name "Tranny Art" means very little, but when we combine it with the content of the site, the attitude of the people involved and the way that's it being marketed, perhaps we should see that the word isn't supposed to be offensive or damaging. It's just supposed to convey the idea of what's going on behind the scenes. Generally, people into porn are happy to use the phrase "tranny", they don't do so negatively or with hate, they just do so because it accurately represents what they want.

Let's take an example of the way that words can/cannot be offensive in given scenarios.

Now the former uses the word 'fag', a word that you'd probably consider to be offensive, correct?

The latter uses absolutely no words that are individually classified as being offensive. There's nothing there that would, on its own, signal someone to think that it contains a negative message. Yet when we compare the ideas conveyed by both of the concepts, the former is a message of love and the latter is suggesting mass killings of a certain race. What am I getting at here?

You now accept from my second statement that it's possible for someone to say something racist/hateful/disgusting without using allegedly racist/hateful/disgusting language, so what's the problem with believing that it's possible for someone to be doing the inverse? That is, using allegedly 'bad' language to convey an idea that isn't 'bad'.

Now - I don't know if this company considered what I'm arguing here, and was happy to use the word for this purpose, but if you're going to insist that people think critically, I'd urge you to give a reasonable, logical and falsifiable argument against what I have just concluded.

To make that extra clear, here's the bottom line and tl;dr:

Individuals should not question whether individual words are offensive or not. They should instead consider the context and purpose of individual words to critically assess whether the idea behind the usage of that word is one that is negative, hateful or offensive.

Personally I am not into trannys, so I am not aroused by this site. However, I do know that if I WERE into trannys, this site would be the bomb for me! And I mean "the bomb" in the best of ways :-)
I say this because really useful cash is the biggest and best new affiliate program. Just watch what they do in the next five years, I'm telling you get in on the ground floor now, even if it is a tranny site and that's not your thing personally! ;-)! Now as far as what Sophie is saying, I think her blog idea is a very simple and doable solution, and I'm sure That someone from really useful cash upon reading this thread will consider doing it! :-). Piriod?
Lol

Meltdown? All I see is some respectful dialogue going on between a few interested people. And you.

I guess it comes down to the fact that ethical porn is an increasingly spoken-about concept in the mainstream, and it's often conflated with art porn. It's a shame that people in the art porn world don't look at the potential for growth on an ethical level.

And no, I honestly think that, when it comes to talking about ethics, we should be deferring to the general consensus of community leaders rather than those who are opting into working for companies under the "shemale/tranny" moniker, as there are many reasons for doing so... Not all of which are very empowering.

First: thank you for engaging in dialogue with me. I respect your points, and now we're really picking at this, which I find fun with the right person.

There are lots of trans people who enjoy porn and, while they don't make up the majority of trans porn consumers, they're not necessarily critical of all porn, just that which they feel debases them. Sex-positive feminists walk among us, trans and cis alike! Arguments about language aren't purely intellectual, and unless you're in the community, it's hard to accurately know how much a word does or doesn't hurt. I like to err on the side of being respectful.

I get that language is used to convey, and that contentious language can be used for sexual power, but without any indication that they're cognizant of this fact, they're just perpetuating a negative word. Sure, it's accurate for what they want in the current porn landscape, but given the increasingly negative view of that word, they could use their position of power in the industry as a reputable company to exact change and shift towards trans as a descriptor.

Not to get too specific here, but neither of your linguistic samples are exactly aspirational. Just because one is "better" than the other doesn't mean that it's great to call someone a fag under any circumstances. Just because "Tranny Art" doesn't mean anything specific to the general population doesn't mean that the first word doesn't draw ire from a lot of people. You can argue that a whole lot of offensive words don't inherently mean anything, but that doesn't take away their power or stop them from being triggering or just indicative that they're not put forth by very thoughtful people.

I was never saying that the message of Tranny Art is negative, hateful or offensive, but I am saying that, by virtue of using that word with no commentary or evidence of understanding the power of that word, they're doing a disservice to the trans community where they could be showing active respect for trans people. And, of course, people are welcome to use whatever words they want, but it shouldn't come as a surprise if someone thinks that they're capitalizing off of the reductive stereotypes of a marginalized group with no regard for the history of a loaded term.

Sophie, you definitely seem like you are an academic. I went to Williams College for undergrad, where did you go?

Bump for the new TS site!!!

gfy is really gone to the dogs

congrats on the launch and have luck!

here is the real issue at the heart of the matter... you going to fucking join? if not fuck off btw if I decide to put up an interracial site I need to call al Sharpton and find a domain that pleases the blacks? fuck off again

pretty common and very disastrous on most levels as well .. you do know that the khamer rouge was founded by school teachers that knew much more than the common people

I studied opera performance at McGill, of all things. The academia came with the job, honestly.

Pfffft, McGill. You seem smarter than someone that went to a community college ;-)

Honestly, I wouldn't join a site with tranny in the title, but I've supported and reviewed other porn with trans women that use respectful language, so no, I won't be fucking off.

And there are ways to market interracial porn without using the n bomb...

I'm Canadian! ;) And all those American schools were too rich for my blood.

No offense to Sophie, but I thought the same thing. Trannys, I mean transgender people..., aren't the majority buying tranny porn. It's straight guys who have that "I thought everyone had a penis" fetish as a kid or something very similar.
You know how many tranny sites there are using the term "tranny"? Just about every one of them...

I'm not being mean, just saying that it's a term widely used an not meant to be insulting.

Sure, it's widely used in this business, but that isn't a good thing. I just find it irresponsible that a supposedly classy company with a Feminist Porn Award would bow to this.

Sophie I'm pretty sure that you are a smart person. Don't you think there's a good chance this company didn't even realize tranny was a controversial word?

If that's the case, I would be kind of surprised. Those at the helm of the parent company are smart and know well enough to Google a term before publicizing a site. It's not just little pockets of sexuality folks who feel this way... It's big names like GLAAD. This is a business choice, and that strikes me as a shame.