Originally Posted by signupdamnit

The jury was instructed not to hold this against GZ but for me his lack of taking the stand would be something I would have to consider secretly. For most of the events he is the only witness still alive. His testimony and reenactments to the police may have helped fill in some of the story but his not taking the stand would make me think he has something to hide or that he is afraid to be questioned. A normal responsible citizen who just shot an unarmed teen under these circumstances would usually feel it their duty to help set the record straight and to open themselves up for questioning.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Can you share exactly which testimony you are referring to or would that require you to write more than your one customary vague sentence?

Originally Posted by Rochard

Seems to me like Martin was no hurry that night. He was walking in the rain, talking to his chick there.... Nothing wrong with that.

You know Baddog... Some people just.... Walk. And when they do that, they don't always take the shortest route home.

Originally Posted by Rochard

When you punch someone twenty-five times giving them a bloody nose, there should be blood on your hands.

Clearly Zimmerman wasn't punched twenty-five times.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Honestly I haven't heard baddog really say anything was "proof" of anything. He has pretty much just been refuting the "Team Trayvon" posters by pointing out the evidence brought in the case.

So far I've seen people posting that it's a "fact" that GZ meant to kill TM all along because GZ had his gun ready to go, because he "stalked" him, because he told the 911 person that TM was running, because he changed his stories with slight variations over time, etc. , etc.

My opinion (and it's only an opinion...not "FACT") is that the whole thing was a giant stupid perfect storm of shit that led to one young man losing his life, and another one having his life ruined forever.

I don't think GZ "stalked" TM or wanted to kill him.

I just think GZ did what most of us would do if they were on neighborhood watch and their neighborhood had been burglarized numerous times. I know I wouldn't have let that person out of my site. Hopefully, most of us would have calmed the situation down and it wouldn't have gotten out of control.

But THAT is where TM comes into play. Apparently some people on this board have never dealt with testosterone fueled young men. TM was pissed at being followed. His girlfriend stated that on the stand.

TM made the mistake of beating up a guy with a gun. It happens every day. People should learn to keep their hands to themselves.

That's not easy when you're angry. I know that if I were in TM's shoes...I may have done the same thing. I do not like busybody people fucking with me. So I might have been dumb enough myself to have turned on GZ. Not sure I would have went straight to kicking his ass though. I probably would have gave him hell verbally. But who knows?

Anyway...I started rambling. lol
I don't think baddog has been stating "Facts" as some have in this thread.
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Did GZ really say at any time that he was punched or had his head slammed against the pavement 25-35 times. I spent a few minutes looking for the source of this but did not have any luck. I can only find others mentioning it third hand.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The absence of blood on Martins hands (while fighting in the rain) is not proor that Martin wasn't beating him. And you can't expect a nose to bleed when the victim is on his back.

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I did not follow the trial closely, just occasionally.

Did Zimmerman's defense ever explain why GZ did not identify himself as a neighborhood watchman when he met TM?