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VISA Is Going Public...Which Means Money To Be Made

02-25-2008, 08:22 PM

Visa is suppose to be one of the largest IPOs ever. The IPO is supposed to be valued at close to 19 billion

Price of the offering will go between 39-42 by the time it comes to the NYSE it could be in the 50-60 range. However look at when Mastercard went public it was at 39$ in 2006 today its trading around 200$ a share.

Talk about making some real money.

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02-25-2008, 08:23 PM

I'm very curious what it will open at, $50-$60 may not last - at least by midday.
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02-25-2008, 08:28 PM

interesting..............

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02-25-2008, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Kevsh

I'm very curious what it will open at, $50-$60 may not last - at least by midday.

If your looking to make a quick buck, you need to have big bucks to be part of the IPO then your pretty much guaranteed money in the bank.

But if your more of a long term investor, then it holding onto it will pay off.

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02-25-2008, 08:32 PM

Bad idea.

Credit trouble is killing them.

The only people who will make money are the corporate officers who were given/issued shares and who will dump a huge portion on IPO. Don't get stuck with shit like this.

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02-25-2008, 08:36 PM

I don't get one minor detail.... isn't the $39-$42 price set by professionals, CEO of the company, CFO, consultants, etc? Why would they understate the value by 30-50% like you claimed in your example?

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02-25-2008, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by woj

I don't get one minor detail.... isn't the $39-$42 price set by professionals, CEO of the company, CFO, consultants, etc? Why would they understate the value by 30-50% like you claimed in your example?

The underwriters set the price of the stock to bring it out to the market, companies likes Goldman, Citi, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley and the rest of the gang.

So they don't understate the value the underwriters based on the market bring it out at a certain price, then the rest is the demand for the stock which increases the price so pretty much when the company executives get in at 39 they are already in the money

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02-25-2008, 08:55 PM

Too many "sure things" right now to go with a gamble like that.
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02-25-2008, 08:55 PM

Too many "sure things" right now to go with a gamble like that.
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02-25-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by .~.

Too many "sure things" right now to go with a gamble like that.

oh? what's a "sure thing" now a days?

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02-26-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by .~.

Bad idea.

Credit trouble is killing them.

The only people who will make money are the corporate officers who were given/issued shares and who will dump a huge portion on IPO. Don't get stuck with shit like this.

Invest wisely.

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02-26-2008, 12:37 AM

you must also understand that VISA going public at comparable market valuation to MasterCard TODAY and not MasterCard of the time of their IPO.

In short valuations of Visa have gone up at least 400% in the same time frame that mastercard has been a public company.

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02-26-2008, 12:53 AM

This will be interesting..

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02-26-2008, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by slavdogg

you must also understand that VISA going public at comparable market valuation to MasterCard TODAY and not MasterCard of the time of their IPO.

In short valuations of Visa have gone up at least 400% in the same time frame that mastercard has been a public company.

Slav , do u know when the offering will be made to the public ?

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02-26-2008, 01:06 AM

If it gets significantly undervalued after the initial bounce, it could be good value but in the overall current credit climate id consider this risky long term.

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02-26-2008, 01:38 AM

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Slav , do u know when the offering will be made to the public ?

i believe i heard that its toward the end of march.

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02-26-2008, 01:40 AM

Wish I could buy some shares and sell them next year with big profit. I'm only dreaming.

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02-26-2008, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by slavdogg

i believe i heard that its toward the end of march.

thanks, sounds like a worthy long term investment

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02-26-2008, 04:01 AM

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you have no brains
VISA and MC have no exposure to credit troubles

yes, they have no exposure, but wait a moment. why they are doing IPO when financial sector is in huge recession?

from somewhere else:

"Visa is obviously anticipating a lot deeper recession than all the talking heads are projecting. Otherwise, Visa would wait until the 2nd half of the year when the "shallow" recession blows over and consumer spending ramps up again. There is no other explanation why Visa would be doing an IPO in what is clearly a horrible environment. "

Take the money and run, while numbers are still good.

this is the case.
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02-26-2008, 04:51 AM

Originally posted by teomaxxx

yes, they have no exposure, but wait a moment. why they are doing IPO when financial sector is in huge recession?

from somewhere else:

"Visa is obviously anticipating a lot deeper recession than all the talking heads are projecting. Otherwise, Visa would wait until the 2nd half of the year when the "shallow" recession blows over and consumer spending ramps up again. There is no other explanation why Visa would be doing an IPO in what is clearly a horrible environment. "

Take the money and run, while numbers are still good.

this is the case.

Google IPOed in the last week of August when all the traders are on vacation. Didnt hurt them, did it ?
Visa's IPO has been in the pipeline for well over a year.
As far as recession, well it only helps them. More people use credit cards for their purchases during recession i would think instead of cash.

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02-26-2008, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by slavdogg

you must also understand that VISA going public at comparable market valuation to MasterCard TODAY and not MasterCard of the time of their IPO.

In short valuations of Visa have gone up at least 400% in the same time frame that mastercard has been a public company.

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02-26-2008, 05:16 AM

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02-26-2008, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by TheAgent

Visa is suppose to be one of the largest IPOs ever. The IPO is supposed to be valued at close to 19 billion

Price of the offering will go between 39-42 by the time it comes to the NYSE it could be in the 50-60 range. However look at when Mastercard went public it was at 39$ in 2006 today its trading around 200$ a share.

Talk about making some real money.

When you a bookie and charge merchants for the transactions as well as make money off card holders it's a sure money maker.
All these card companies are like printing machines for money as long as they are managed right and not taking big gambles in future contracts or anything that nuts.
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02-26-2008, 08:21 AM

If they go public they have to release all types of details to the public. I would be shocked if they do go public since they have fought to keep details about VISA so private.

This could be a way to see what the chargeback/refund limits of other industries are, then give us the ability to sue visa because our cb limits are 2-10 points lower than most visa processing industries.

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02-26-2008, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by .~.

Too many "sure things" right now to go with a gamble like that.

You're a manic depressive bipolar IDIOT. Why would anyone listen to you for any reason?
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02-26-2008, 08:41 AM

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02-26-2008, 08:49 AM

I look forward to that
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02-26-2008, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by .~.

Bad idea.

Credit trouble is killing them.

The only people who will make money are the corporate officers who were given/issued shares and who will dump a huge portion on IPO. Don't get stuck with shit like this.

Invest wisely.

You know that visa doesn't issue credit, right?

Do you even know what your talking about?

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02-26-2008, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by slavdogg

Google IPOed in the last week of August when all the traders are on vacation. Didnt hurt them, did it ?
Visa's IPO has been in the pipeline for well over a year.
As far as recession, well it only helps them. More people use credit cards for their purchases during recession i would think instead of cash.

But the Google IPO was not in recession times, there is less companies IPOs in recession for a reason....

Yes, during regular recession CC are used more then in good times...but current recession will be different, because easy cheap debt bubble is going to blow out, credit is already getting tighten and american consumers are already in huge debt. The access to further cheap debt will not come...therefore Visa will be affected too.

I hope I wont forget to bump this thread next year to see, who was right....

here is some article about IPO and recession:
http://www.reuters.com/article/compa...41121220080127

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02-26-2008, 01:36 PM

great lets by some shares

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02-26-2008, 01:40 PM

I'd stay away from financials in a time like this
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02-26-2008, 02:25 PM

I guess those who have the kahones to buy the stock buy it, others sit back and watch what happens.

You have understand some basic fundamentals
1. Visa makes consistent income from companies
2. Visa makes consistent income from consumers, regardless if they pay minimum payment or not they making money, on top of that they charge ridiculous interest so even more money
3. This credit exposure nonsense is applicable to those who gambled on wall st trying to sell sub-prime loans to investors, visa and credit companies have nothing to do with that.
4. Visa will be one with high cash flows, good at financing their debt.

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10-18-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by slavdogg

Google IPOed in the last week of August when all the traders are on vacation. Didnt hurt them, did it ?
Visa's IPO has been in the pipeline for well over a year.
As far as recession, well it only helps them. More people use credit cards for their purchases during recession i would think instead of cash.

you finally see what alll credit tightening and consumer getting cut of credit means?
thats the recession. we are around IPO levels and as I wrote in this thread V stock will be lower in a year after IPO, because of all reasons I mentioned in this thread.
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10-19-2008, 01:41 AM

Well its around $50 it was bobbing under $50....... you see it going for as low as say $40 ?????

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10-19-2008, 03:22 AM

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10-19-2008, 04:06 AM

I've lost big money with visa, bought at 87.5$
they gone down and down...
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10-19-2008, 04:16 AM

Originally posted by adonthenet

I've lost big money with visa, bought at 87.5$
they gone down and down...

You bought at the top....... long term you should be okay but it would have been better to hold out and buy into the market now.

On the plus side, despite all this downward pressure Visa is only really down around $20 from the main level so i cant really see it going down under $40 and when the market recovers it should be one of the first to regain.

If it went under $40, id probably buy $20k worth.

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10-19-2008, 04:48 AM

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10-19-2008, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by Vendot

Well its around $50 it was bobbing under $50....... you see it going for as low as say $40 ?????

If the economy goes into recession as everyone is predicting, yes.

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10-19-2008, 08:58 AM

Visa's a good buy if it goes much lower. They have their rake, that's all that matters, they're just taking a pummeling because the markets are.

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10-19-2008, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by Vendot

Well its around $50 it was bobbing under $50....... you see it going for as low as say $40 ?????

yes, but not now...I expect stock market rally and for Visa there is a strong possibility of good 4Q report as there are Christmas on the way. But for sure 1Q will be the sign of "Party is over". So maybe V could be a great short term buy, but so hundreds of other stocks...

Current Visa stock price has forward 2009 PE 20, so there still a lot of room to go down, when most consumers in the developed countries are tapped out, cutting their spending, while CC limits are going down. Debt is going to be repaid or defaulted, so there is not a lot of room for a CC growth of use.
The emerging countries wont offset decline of spending in the developed countries.
Sometimes next year could be V good buy again.
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