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  • mryellow
    Confirmed User
    • May 2001
    • 934
    #51
    Not enough people know how to catch hitbots, especially in an age where
    there are massive botnets out there on real computers using real browsers to
    hit pages. For some it's impossible to detect even.

    I'd suggest that more then 80% TGP traffic now is hitbots.

    As for ratios dropping, I don't see it. Well I see it but I can also account for
    90% of it, the other 10% is factors external to a single sponsor. As products
    become saturated their ratio drops, as everyone who will signup has. Release
    a new product and it's ratio starts off at the top again. Studios and sponsors
    just need to make sure they have a steady stream of new paysites/brands.

    Global signup ratios do drop overtime also, but at nowhere near the same
    rate that ratios drop for single products.

    -Ben
    Cyberwurx Hosting
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      • mryellow
        Confirmed User
        • May 2001
        • 934
        #52
        Originally posted by Celeb Fan
        is there any 100% proof way to detect who is sending you hitbots?
        Nope..... With the right trojan on a few thousand ghost machines you could
        pop browsers and navigate them as if the code was human. If done right the
        browser will respond as normal, and the fake user will click things like normal
        without hitting any honeypots. This is why I say 80%. You may detect 65%
        or whatever in broker traffic but there is a hell of a lot more out there then
        that.

        TGP is dead. It's all fake.

        -Ben
        Cyberwurx Hosting
        After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
        Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
        Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

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          • mryellow
            Confirmed User
            • May 2001
            • 934
            #53
            Let me just qualify that by not including in that &#37; the bookmarkers of the 10-
            20 major TGPs. These are hubs, their traffic is real. New TGPs looking for
            trades are going to find a web of fake traffic, much of which can't be
            detected.

            -Ben
            Cyberwurx Hosting
            After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
            Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
            Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

            <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

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              • Drake
                Hello world!
                • Mar 2003
                • 12508
                #54
                Gotta say that was interesting

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                  • DBS.US
                    Geo Cities
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 11842
                    #55
                    I can understand why you think that your google comparison applies here, but I think if you give it a bit more thought you will understand why it doesn't.

                    Nevertheless,

                    Still no real numbers and no real answers. I'm not the IRS. I just want to know if this conversation is worth my time.

                    But when it comes to buying "shit" traffic (full of hitbots or foreigners who can't buy anything anyway) or selling off my "good" traffic that I have no problem converting, I am betting that the whole thing is a waste of time.

                    I have the sneaking suspicion that I'm here trying to talk dollars with someone who is used to dealing with nickels and dimes.

                    But... I'm here to make money. So if anyone can add something to this thread that can contribute to that, I'm all ears.
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                      • psili
                        Confirmed User
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 5526
                        #56
                        Originally posted by DBS.US
                        I can understand why you think that your google comparison applies here, but I think if you give it a bit more thought you will understand why it doesn't.

                        Nevertheless,

                        Still no real numbers and no real answers. I'm not the IRS. I just want to know if this conversation is worth my time.

                        But when it comes to buying "shit" traffic (full of hitbots or foreigners who can't buy anything anyway) or selling off my "good" traffic that I have no problem converting, I am betting that the whole thing is a waste of time.

                        I have the sneaking suspicion that I'm here trying to talk dollars with someone who is used to dealing with nickels and dimes.

                        But... I'm here to make money. So if anyone can add something to this thread that can contribute to that, I'm all ears.
                        I think you said it already: If you have solid traffic, why sell it?
                        Here's my thoughts (and they're just thoughts) in regard to the whole traffic business.

                        - If you have a shitload of traffic - monetize it.

                        - If you're smart enough to be able to filter traffic
                        1. You know and can filter traffic, otherwise one shouldn't run such a service.
                        2. If someone knows how to filter traffic, they must also know why and how they are filtering it. Which must mean they could convert it - since they're selling it, perhaps not.
                        3. Buyer beware

                        *shrug*
                        Your post count means nothing.

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                          • MasterKeyword
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 129
                            #57
                            in your masterplan to destroy the crooked traffic brokering business (everyone knows its phoney cept newbs) you forgot to mention the DNS SPOOFED scammed traffic, which is phoney US/EU

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                              • MasterKeyword
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 129
                                #58
                                Originally posted by digifan
                                But to waste $7K on this.. just my 2 cents.
                                he didnt spend a dime

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                                  • MasterKeyword
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Feb 2008
                                    • 129
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by DBS.US
                                    Please help me understand this... If someone has traffic that contains real surfers/customers (which is the only valuable traffic) then why sell are they selling it, instead of using it themselves to make sells somewhere??? The fact that someone wants to "sell" traffic at all, makes me think it is traffic that can't be worth a damn.

                                    I have never understood the whole concept of buying traffic (that could only be shit traffic), or the motivation to sell "valuable" traffic.

                                    Someone please explain......

                                    Nice analogy... but don't even have to go this far.. the fact of the matter is, noone has or can ever have enuff traffic, so anyone selling it... obviously is crooked,, and i don't care if its exits or aynthing, traffic is worth HUGE money
                                    and paying $2.00 for it becaues it was washed filtered or anything is BS

                                    Somone would be willing to pay $15 for the worst traffic, if it was "REAL" traffic

                                    The people dont care because they think theyre TGP is growing, lol
                                    its just a growing botnet of phoney traffic being resold and resold to each othere its fucking halirious and that traffic broker is laughing all the way to the beachhouse

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                                      • Xxxavier
                                        Registered User
                                        • Sep 2004
                                        • 81
                                        #60
                                        As a newbie in this game, this thread has opened my eyes.
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                                          • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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                                            • Jul 2004
                                            • 38323
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